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No help from the Police…STILL

kevswitchau 1 October 2011 45

We live in Isabella Plains and going on a year now have been the victims of an escalating and completely unprovoked series of attacks from a group of local youths. What started with some waterbombs being thrown has steadily escalated into a campaign of terror waged against myself and my elderly parents that has led to windows and cars being smashed, wheelie bins being flung against the house, mailboxes stolen, assault etc.

Calling the police is an utter joke. Unless we can identify the little criminals (because that’s so easy when they attack in the dead of night and leave your property vandalised and you shaken) they won’t even send a car out. They have even given up the hollow claims of ‘increased patroles’ because they know that we know it’s just a big PR exercise designed to cover up how useless they actually are- and don’t the local delinquents know it!

We have already shelled out thousands of dollars not only repairing the damage done (now add to that the car windscreen they threw a rock through tonight) but also fortifying the house so we feel like we are living in a prison- but still they come and still the police sleep at night doing absolutely nothing.

My parents (aged in their late 60s/70s) are terrified and at the end of their teather. We cant move- we spent all our savings on this house- for all it’s worth. Now here we sit, like prisoners under seige in our own homes while these cocky little low life criminals continue to terrorise us. I have written to the Chief minister who is apparently quite satisfied that this is an acceptable state of affairs, as are the Police who I have appealed to several times to no avail.  We don’t know what else to do. I’m now pricing CCTV which I fear will be out of our price range yet seems like the only way we can identify them because unless we do the job for them, the Police flatly refuse to act in any way to help us.

I hope the ACT Government and Police are proud, but then again, their actions to date have shown that they really couldn’t give a stuff about people who are trying to do little more than live their lives without fear. I brought my parents here from QLD because I thought Canberra would give them the retirement they would enjoy. Boy was I wrong.


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trublu2001 trublu2001 3:58 pm 05 Oct 11

I feel for you Kev and sadly have experienced the same lack of ability to get any action

Gigantor Gigantor 10:53 pm 02 Oct 11

get / borrow a large aggressive dog thats loud and only tied up with a easily broken piece of string

dungfungus dungfungus 2:46 pm 02 Oct 11

creative_canberran said :

Another option I’ve read about may be a motion activate sprinkler. They’re more for cats and the like, but hack one to a higher volume sprinkler and if your handy, add something like detergent to an infuser along the hose… who ever does it will have to leave soaked.

Great idea but have dye (the same type used in ATMs) spray on them. Alternatively, sulphuric acid will give them a night to remember.

Henry82 Henry82 2:19 pm 02 Oct 11

Jethro said :

I can guarantee that you will find yourself in the dock.

oh? I assume those invisible police will round up any vigilantes with a thorough investigation?

Tooks Tooks 10:42 am 02 Oct 11

Clown Killer said :

@34 ooh, ooh, ooh … A hard man steps forth. I suspect ‘Tooks’ is getting a French Polish so you’d better wait ’till his mummy says it’s OK to go out after dark!

30+ comments on this thread and still the only internet hard man comments are from you (everyone else is at least trying to contribute like an adult). Feel free to keep embarrassing yourself though. Rest assured, there’s nothing I say on this site that I wouldn’t repeat in person. Can you say the same?

Jethro, I’d have to disagree with most of your points:

I always find it interesting that the RiotACT crowd, which tends towards the Laura Norder side of things (ie. baying for blood) also tends towards the blame the victim side of things.

Most people in this thread have tried to be constructive. Who has blamed the victim?

If the fuzz aren’t even coming out when there is damage to property that is a pretty poor effort. As far as I’m aware you need a police report if you want to claim on your insurance against acts of vandalism.

It’s been explained why police don’t come out. The report is taken over the phone and the job number given at that time.

Crimes like the one described in the OP are, IMHO, the ones that need to be dealt with the most proactively. They threaten people’s sense of security in their own homes (which is where we should feel the most secure – even if the streets aren’t safe, at least I have a refuge in my home). Failure to even try to find the people responsible sends to these kids, from a very young age, that committing crime has no consequences and only encourages them to continue.

Find them how? From the way the OP was written, he/she doesn’t know who was responsible. There were no witnesses. Knock on every door in the suburb? You think the kids involved are going to admit it even if the right door is knocked on?

Kids doing this type of thing would be the type to roam the streets all night. It’s not like they would go to this person’s house, smash a few windows and go home for some milo and a bedtime story. A simple police patrol crusing the streets and local parks, etc would find them pretty quickly. There would be at least one kid in the group who would crack and confess if given a bit of a scare by the cops.

No offence intended, but that is very naive. Plenty of kids behave like this, do run home, and are supported by their parent/s.

As far as the vigilante suggestions go… if you were to wait in ambush with a few mates in order to confront these kids and break one of their arms, I can guarantee that you will find yourself in the dock.

Defends if it was in self-defence or not.

JC JC 9:32 am 02 Oct 11

kevswitchau said :

Experience of police in other states has been very different. They would certainly have never met a panicking elderly woman with the response ‘oh well, that’s just kids’. General attitudes (as evidenced by some responses) would seem to explain why this compacency exists. Educational. Thanks guys.

Oh so this has happened to your family in other states? Seems you are mighty unlucky, are doing something to encourage this or choose to live in some very dodgy area’s.

Gerry-Built Gerry-Built 9:07 am 02 Oct 11

@kevswitchau; as a matter of curiosity, how did you react to the initial water-bombings? Something has kept these kids coming back; probably the comical way (in their mind) that you react… Kids that are well versed in “taking it to the next level” are probably not ones you want to engage in that game… There is a common saying shared in teaching; “Don’t wrestle with pigs. You both get dirty; but the pigs like it.’ It sounds like you have had a part in escalating this too (even if unintentionally).

I’d suggest the only way out of this situation is some form of Restorative Justice; and the best way to set it up might be through their school (even if just because they are shocked that you have now identified them). Approaching their school for assistance, going through the school photos from either Calwell High, or Lanyon High; possibly even MacKillop, might be the only way to set this up (or if older, Erindale or Tuggeranong Colleges, too). I’m sure, with the right approach, these schools would be happy to assist… With a good description of the kids, the Principal of their school will likely be able to readily identify them; chances are they are well known there too…

bigfeet bigfeet 12:35 am 02 Oct 11

Jethro said :

Kids doing this type of thing would be the type to roam the streets all night. It’s not like they would go to this person’s house, smash a few windows and go home for some milo and a bedtime story. A simple police patrol crusing the streets and local parks, etc would find them pretty quickly. There would be at least one kid in the group who would crack and confess if given a bit of a scare by the cops.

I would say that the police have a pretty fair idea who is doing this and know the local shitbags on their ‘patch’

Finding them is not the issue. But without any hard evidence it is impossible to take it further.

The kids know they can just sit back and ignore the police and say nothing , their parents will support them and put complaints about police harrassment of their little darlings if anything else is done.

They all know if the cops talk to them, say nothing, admit nothing and nothing can be done unless the cops already have the evidence.

Henry82 Henry82 12:21 am 02 Oct 11

creative_canberran said :

Another option I’ve read about may be a motion activate sprinkler… who ever does it will have to leave soaked.

and you’ll end up with a rock through your window?

Good old BCB Good old BCB 9:55 pm 01 Oct 11

i would love to play for your team in this drunken cricket match. My batting average is quite high

Clown Killer Clown Killer 9:34 pm 01 Oct 11

@34 ooh, ooh, ooh … A hard man steps forth. I suspect ‘Tooks’ is getting a French Polish so you’d better wait ’till his mummy says it’s OK to go out after dark!

matt31221 matt31221 9:18 pm 01 Oct 11

Well it looks like you are not taking peoples advice and still having a winge. Come on big boy, the least you can do is advise what street the problems are occuring, perhaps your fellow Isabella Plainers can help out? I have offered to help.

milkman milkman 9:06 pm 01 Oct 11

milkman said :

Many years ago we had a similar problem. It was dealt with by catching the offenders and having a little chat. They never came near our house again.

I should probably clarify: no violence was involved.

milkman milkman 8:34 pm 01 Oct 11

Many years ago we had a similar problem. It was dealt with by catching the offenders and having a little chat. They never came near our house again.

Jethro Jethro 8:21 pm 01 Oct 11

I always find it interesting that the RiotACT crowd, which tends towards the Laura Norder side of things (ie. baying for blood) also tends towards the blame the victim side of things.

If the fuzz aren’t even coming out when there is damage to property that is a pretty poor effort. As far as I’m aware you need a police report if you want to claim on your insurance against acts of vandalism.

Crimes like the one described in the OP are, IMHO, the ones that need to be dealt with the most proactively. They threaten people’s sense of security in their own homes (which is where we should feel the most secure – even if the streets aren’t safe, at least I have a refuge in my home). Failure to even try to find the people responsible sends to these kids, from a very young age, that committing crime has no consequences and only encourages them to continue.

Kids doing this type of thing would be the type to roam the streets all night. It’s not like they would go to this person’s house, smash a few windows and go home for some milo and a bedtime story. A simple police patrol crusing the streets and local parks, etc would find them pretty quickly. There would be at least one kid in the group who would crack and confess if given a bit of a scare by the cops.

As far as the vigilante suggestions go… if you were to wait in ambush with a few mates in order to confront these kids and break one of their arms, I can guarantee that you will find yourself in the dock.

I-filed I-filed 8:01 pm 01 Oct 11

BenMac said :

Was anyone injured? No.

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Intimidation and therefore psychological injury and assault? Yes, actually.

quostatus quostatus 7:40 pm 01 Oct 11

Had a similar issue on the North side. Complete disinterest and indifference from police. We now have the halogen sensor lights and stategically place barbed wire.

For anyone that thinks this is no big deal the anguish it causes is not pleasant to live with.

BenMac BenMac 7:35 pm 01 Oct 11

Was anyone injured? No.

Can any of the alleged offenders be identified (and not just because you think you know who did it)? No.

Is there any significant forensic evidence to be collected (they’re not going to pull fingerprints from a rock)? No.

Therefore no police will be attending. There’s nothing they can really do. Get the police incident number from the operator and contact your insurance company.

If you’re not happy with that, request to speak to the comms supervisor, go into a police station and speak to the station sgt directly, contact @CPOACT via twitter, contact canberra times, then post on Riot-act.

    johnboy johnboy 7:38 pm 01 Oct 11

    Well no, always go with riotact before the canberra times

ImagineThat ImagineThat 7:13 pm 01 Oct 11

Have you tried contacting your local Neighbourhood Watch? Talk to your neighbours. If you don’t know them, then maybe it’s time you did. This should help you to find out if it is targeted at you, or you are one of many.

Neighbours who know each other do tend to watch out for each other, and a consolidated rational approach will no doubt work better than people working independently of each other. Together you can record dates, time and location of damage. Comparison of this data may assist you in identifying a pattern of behaviour which may subsequently assist your neighbourhood to catch the culprits in the act. Good luck.

I-filed I-filed 6:54 pm 01 Oct 11

Dreadful situation – do you have any idea what started it, or was it completely random?

You could install cameras that take flash pictures in response to movement (the same kind they use to photograph wildlife). Then insist that the police identify these mini-Mullys. Are they school age?

I’m not sure what the current Victims of Crime compensation laws cover, but it might be worth investigating whether there’s some form of compensation for your parents if they are suffering psychological problems as a result of this. (The perpetrators do NOT have to have been tried; it’s a “balance of probability” scenario).

Important not to be cowed and not to behave like prisoners. The fun will go out of terrorising you if you aren’t vulnerable. Install bright lights out the front, and sit on your front verandah and drink cocktails into the evenings. If you appear relaxed, you’ll soon feel more relaxed.

Absolute bummer for you and I hope it’s solved. Agree with the Rioter who suggested going to the tabloid media. And the “minister” “responsible”.

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