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No news on GDE speed limit front

By Sgt.Bungers 13 December 2011 94

I’ve written up another article re the GDE speed limit, with a table comparing road characteristics of the GDE, with others around the territory. Read on if interested:

I have not heard much on the GDE speed limit front. Last time I drove the road, the speed limit continued to be 80 km/h. Travelling at 80 km/h without cruise control is difficult without slipping over every now and then, after all, the brand new road was designed to cater for a speed limit of 90 km/h, thus the road encourages high speed.

Point to Point speed cameras are still on the way too. The situation is arguably absurd, the majority of people I speak to about the issue seem to agree.

To highlight the inconsistency of the 80 km/h speed limit of the GDE compared to other roads in the A.C.T, I have put together a table for you.

Have a look, and decide for yourself if this particular combination of near freeway quality road, an 80 km/h speed limit, and impending point to point cameras, is about safety or revenue?

Image: The Gungahlin Drive Extensions speed limit of 80 km/h is incredibly inconsistent when compared to other roads in the A.C.T, and yet the road has had point to point speed cameras planned even prior to it opening. Click the table to enlarge it.

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Hanksinatra 7:00 pm 22 Dec 11

Interesting how this item quickly attracted comments…a great number. None of them address climate change or the fallacy of so-called speed in the carist world. Really it would be fascinating if not so scary.

dpm 5:37 pm 22 Dec 11

Wonder if a camera on the GDE (or the new point-to-point on Hindmarsh, over Red Hill) could break this record!
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-12-22/freeway-camera-catches-thousands-in-first-week/3744260

luther_bendross 9:20 am 19 Dec 11

Bluey said :

Actually, yes you are. Keep left unless overtaking, sitting on 80kph youre not going to overtaking anyone. So stay left and let everyone overtake. Basic courtesy.

AUSTRALIAN ROAD RULES – REG 130

130—Keeping to the left on a multi-lane road

(1)

This rule applies to a driver driving on a multi-lane road if:

(a)

the speed-limit applying to the driver for the length of road where the driver is driving is over 80 kilometres per hour; or

(b)

a keep left unless overtaking sign applies to the length of road where the driver is driving.

The Dunning-Kruger Effect is on prime display here.

Erg0 4:07 pm 16 Dec 11

I think it would be perfect if this thread sat forever with (90) next to its name.

Oops, I ruined it.

Bluey 3:06 pm 16 Dec 11

luther_bendross said :

Classified said :

Is there a particular reason you don’t like the left lane? Just curious.

No, it’s not that I don’t like the left lane. I mean realisitcally if all areas, no matter the speed limit, were ‘keep left’ then at least we’d have some consistency. In practice, this is how I drive.

The reason I posed the question though was that I’m not breaking any laws when I keep right, yet when I impede others from breaking the law I’m the villain. As I said in my first post, this was a bit of a social experiment, and I think I’ve found my answers given this poorly-articulated, tightly-wound, incorrect slop of verbal diarrhea from Henry:

HenryBG said :

What business is it of yours if you think people are breaking some petty law? You’re almost certainly wrong about the speed you think you’re driving at, for starters. Then there is the well-established fact that the law is an ass.

If you want to drive slowly, get in the &*%^#$ing left lane, you inconsiderate bastard.

Actually, yes you are. Keep left unless overtaking, sitting on 80kph youre not going to overtaking anyone. So stay left and let everyone overtake. Basic courtesy.

AUSTRALIAN ROAD RULES – REG 130

130—Keeping to the left on a multi-lane road

(1) This rule applies to a driver driving on a multi-lane road if:

(a) the speed-limit applying to the driver for the length of road where the driver is driving is over 80 kilometres per hour; or

(b) a keep left unless overtaking sign applies to the length of road where the driver is driving.

chewy14 11:56 am 16 Dec 11

luther_bendross said :

Classified said :

The idea is that people should be overtaking on the right, and not on the left.

Use the left hand lane if you’re not overtaking, it makes it easier and safer.

Yeah yeah I get what you’re saying, but I’m asking why? If people need to overtake me by breaking the law (i.e. speeding), then I’d argue that they’ve waived their right to dictate which lane I drive in for their convenience.

Its called driving courtesy.
No, there is no requirement for you to drive in the left lane on these roads but for what possible reason would someone drive in the right lane if they didn’t have to? You’re not the police, you don’t need to control how other people drive and you’re probably increasing your risk of having an accident by doing so. Now that accident may not be your fault, but I’d ask again why would you want to put yourself in that position?

The thing i’ve found is that the people that do drive in the right hand lane for no reason are often the worst and most inattentive drivers. They often don’t check their mirrors at all and can mostly be oblivious to the fact that there are other drivers on the road.
Women driving 4WD’s and old people are highly represented in this group.

luther_bendross 11:42 am 16 Dec 11

Classified said :

Is there a particular reason you don’t like the left lane? Just curious.

No, it’s not that I don’t like the left lane. I mean realisitcally if all areas, no matter the speed limit, were ‘keep left’ then at least we’d have some consistency. In practice, this is how I drive.

The reason I posed the question though was that I’m not breaking any laws when I keep right, yet when I impede others from breaking the law I’m the villain. As I said in my first post, this was a bit of a social experiment, and I think I’ve found my answers given this poorly-articulated, tightly-wound, incorrect slop of verbal diarrhea from Henry:

HenryBG said :

What business is it of yours if you think people are breaking some petty law? You’re almost certainly wrong about the speed you think you’re driving at, for starters. Then there is the well-established fact that the law is an ass.

If you want to drive slowly, get in the &*%^#$ing left lane, you inconsiderate bastard.

Felix the Cat 10:39 am 16 Dec 11

It seems to be the noise issue stopping the speed limit being raised on GDE, seriously what difference in noise is there between a car doing 80 and a one doing 90? Most modern cars are very quiet anyway, it’s only the occasional hoon with a loud exhaust.

HenryBG 10:06 am 16 Dec 11

luther_bendross said :

Classified said :

The idea is that people should be overtaking on the right, and not on the left.

Use the left hand lane if you’re not overtaking, it makes it easier and safer.

Yeah yeah I get what you’re saying, but I’m asking why? If people need to overtake me by breaking the law (i.e. speeding), then I’d argue that they’ve waived their right to dictate which lane I drive in for their convenience.

What business is it of yours if you think people are breaking some petty law? You’re almost certainly wrong about the speed you think you’re driving at, for starters. Then there is the well-established fact that the law is an ass.

If you want to drive slowly, get in the &*%^#$ing left lane, you inconsiderate bastard.

Classified 9:54 am 16 Dec 11

luther_bendross said :

Classified said :

The idea is that people should be overtaking on the right, and not on the left.

Use the left hand lane if you’re not overtaking, it makes it easier and safer.

Yeah yeah I get what you’re saying, but I’m asking why? If people need to overtake me by breaking the law (i.e. speeding), then I’d argue that they’ve waived their right to dictate which lane I drive in for their convenience.

That’s fine, and I not suggesting that those people speeding are not doing the wrong thing, but driving in the right hand lane if you aren’t overtaking or turning is increasing the risk for both you and others around you.

Is there a particular reason you don’t like the left lane? Just curious.

luther_bendross 9:32 am 16 Dec 11

Classified said :

The idea is that people should be overtaking on the right, and not on the left.

Use the left hand lane if you’re not overtaking, it makes it easier and safer.

Yeah yeah I get what you’re saying, but I’m asking why? If people need to overtake me by breaking the law (i.e. speeding), then I’d argue that they’ve waived their right to dictate which lane I drive in for their convenience.

Thoroughly Smashed 9:54 am 15 Dec 11

chewy14 said :

No Ex-Vectis,
what I am saying is that the people who think that driving slower on these roads, necessarily makes them safer drivers are wrong.
Variation from the mean speed of traffic is a risk factor.
If speed limits are set correctly then this usually isn’t a problem, but that’s a big IF.

Surely you’re implying that the speed limit should be decreased? 😉

Classified 9:38 am 15 Dec 11

luther_bendross said :

For another question/social experiment: If I’m going under the speed limit, why must I keep left? Of course if I’m in a zone >80km/h or there’s a sign telling me to then I will, but in zones <80km/h, there's no legal reason for me to keep left.

Case: The northbound stretch of the Monaro between the speed camera and AMC is an 80km/h zone. I'd estimate I'm overtaken by 90% of drivers along that stretch. If I sit on 80km/h in the right lane, I'm breaking no laws (happy to be corrected) but am abused frequently for doing so.

The idea is that people should be overtaking on the right, and not on the left. By traveling below the prevailing traffic speed in the right hand lane (and not overtaking) you are creating a situation where people will overtake on the left rather than the right, and thus traffic starts weaving across lanes.

Use the left hand lane if you’re not overtaking, it makes it easier and safer.

luther_bendross 8:34 am 15 Dec 11

For another question/social experiment: If I’m going under the speed limit, why must I keep left? Of course if I’m in a zone >80km/h or there’s a sign telling me to then I will, but in zones <80km/h, there's no legal reason for me to keep left.

Case: The northbound stretch of the Monaro between the speed camera and AMC is an 80km/h zone. I'd estimate I'm overtaken by 90% of drivers along that stretch. If I sit on 80km/h in the right lane, I'm breaking no laws (happy to be corrected) but am abused frequently for doing so.

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