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“No Waste by 2010” joins the other crap in the landfill

By johnboy 21 January 2009 61

The ABC informs us that the Chiefly Jon Stanhope has made a rare concession to the real world and admitted that the “No Waste by 2010” campaign was rubbish all along.

    Mr Stanhope says the “No Waste by 2010” campaign was designed to inspire the community to recycle.

    “Almost all slogans have an aspirational purpose,” he said.

    “We will never achieve a situation where there is no waste that’s actually [sent] to landfill, it will never ever be achieved. I think it was an appropriate slogan and an appropriate target.”

I’m sure in one management course or another the importance of aspiring to realistic goals was stressed to me. Still waiting for the training where they recommend talking bollocks for years doing nothing before giving up.

It must be a special ACT Government only one.

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RuffnReady 4:21 pm 23 Jan 09

PM said :

Waste is waste. BUT, in fact, for about 20 years or so methane has been used as a power source in Sydney, via landfill sites. Therefore, one shouldn’t restrain the discussion too thoroughly…

The same is done with landfill gas here.

RuffnReady 4:20 pm 23 Jan 09

proofpositive said :

“About 250 million years ago, our planet was struck by an asteroid that devastated our environment and decimated just over 90% of all life on the planet. The quintessential nature of our planet is spoken to by this simple fact—the environment has survived much more horrifying things than human beings. Global Warming activists cannot accept that we simply do not wield enough ecological influence to alter our planet’s entire ecosystem. They want it done and now. Only the aforementioned forces have this ability. Drastic differences in the Earth’s climate are the result of significantly small changes in the axis and rotation of the planet over thousands of years. Are we to believe that the concept of Global Warming has elevated the influence of mankind over that of the sun? Process that for a minute.” (http://thesil.ca/?p=1094)

Oh, lord, you really are a moron huh? That’s the best you can do?

I’d love to shoot that to pieces, as I have done on RiotAct many times before when others use spurious claims and syllogisms to “refute” anthropogenic climate change, but I will respect johnboy’s request to keep this thread on the subject of waste.

PM 10:33 pm 22 Jan 09

Waste is waste. BUT, in fact, for about 20 years or so methane has been used as a power source in Sydney, via landfill sites. Therefore, one shouldn’t restrain the discussion too thoroughly…

Thumper 9:00 pm 22 Jan 09

Agreed. We might see a return to something like the 70s and 80s when every second kid was running around picking up (read: cleaning up) aluminium cans for the cash. Would you really notice an extra 5c on whatever it costs these days for your favourite juice or soft drink bottle?

If governments were serious about recycling they would pick up the tab.

But it’s not going to happen anytime soon.

Ari 7:35 pm 22 Jan 09

Actually removing one-10th nine times in a row leaves you with 38.86% of the original sum (0.9 x 0.9 x 0.9 x 0.9 x 0.9 x 0.9 x 0.9 x 0.9 x 0.9) … you have to do it about 21 times to get under 10% of the original sum

Overheard 6:22 pm 22 Jan 09

johnboy said :

Overheard said :

Oh, and just to join others slightly off-topic, @#46 in that quoted text: folks, it is mathematically (sp?) impossible for something to be “decimated [by] just over 90%”.

Sure, you just have to do it 9 times.

Touché!

johnboy 6:12 pm 22 Jan 09

Overheard said :

Oh, and just to join others slightly off-topic, @#46 in that quoted text: folks, it is mathematically (sp?) impossible for something to be “decimated [by] just over 90%”.

Sure, you just have to do it 9 times.

Overheard 6:06 pm 22 Jan 09

Oh, and just to join others slightly off-topic, @#46 in that quoted text: folks, it is mathematically (sp?) impossible for something to be “decimated [by] just over 90%”.

Overheard 6:04 pm 22 Jan 09

dexi said :

In Adelaide last month, walking down the street, a toothless old lady with plastic bags full of bottles stopped me and said. “There’s money in me bottles…I love me bottles” Then she shuffled past.

5 cents return on bottles would be good.

Agreed. We might see a return to something like the 70s and 80s when every second kid was running around picking up (read: cleaning up) aluminium cans for the cash. Would you really notice an extra 5c on whatever it costs these days for your favourite juice or soft drink bottle?

caf 5:43 pm 22 Jan 09

dexi: As a practical matter, we couldn’t implement it in the ACT without NSW doing so too, or we’ll be bilked by Queanbeyan residents.

Mr Waffle 5:32 pm 22 Jan 09

What, nobody has mentioned the Chronicle? Canning that will meet half the target by itself!

dexi 5:12 pm 22 Jan 09

In Adelaide last month, walking down the street, a toothless old lady with plastic bags full of bottles stopped me and said. “There’s money in me bottles…I love me bottles” Then she shuffled past.

5 cents return on bottles would be good.

johnboy 4:25 pm 22 Jan 09

I was about to say…

Let’s confine debate to waste disposal here in Canberra shall we?

Skidbladnir 4:23 pm 22 Jan 09

Stanhope makes a comment about solid waste management, and all you’re off on a tangent about greenhouse gases.

proofpositive 4:21 pm 22 Jan 09

“About 250 million years ago, our planet was struck by an asteroid that devastated our environment and decimated just over 90% of all life on the planet. The quintessential nature of our planet is spoken to by this simple fact—the environment has survived much more horrifying things than human beings. Global Warming activists cannot accept that we simply do not wield enough ecological influence to alter our planet’s entire ecosystem. They want it done and now. Only the aforementioned forces have this ability. Drastic differences in the Earth’s climate are the result of significantly small changes in the axis and rotation of the planet over thousands of years. Are we to believe that the concept of Global Warming has elevated the influence of mankind over that of the sun? Process that for a minute.” (http://thesil.ca/?p=1094)

RuffnReady 3:36 pm 22 Jan 09

Sorry, forgot to preview my post above which should read:

Hmmm, and your point?

Atmospheric methane levels have risen over 150% since the Industrial Revolution, as have levels of a number of other gases which are 100-1000s times more powerful as greenhouse gases than CO2. None of which denies the fact that atmospheric CO2 levels have risen by about 40% since the start of the Industrial Revolution, CONTINUE TO RISE, and that that is influencing climate change. The increases in concentration of all of these GHGs is CAUSING CHANGE TO THE CLIMATE WHICH IS occurring 10-100 times quicker than “natural cycles” ever have.

As for methane, there are huge quantities of methane locked up below the ice (as clathrates) in northern Siberia and Greenland, and if IT IS ever released the world will experience the runaway greenhouse warming that scares the crap out of scientists and anyone who has a clue about the impacts.

But yeah, I’m not going to debate the science yet again, because only people who haven’t read it and don’t know what they are talking about bring up the usual, spurious, mythical anti-claims that have already been disproven by the scientists thousands of times over.

RuffnReady 3:32 pm 22 Jan 09

jakez said :

RuffnReady said :

If govts across the country were actually serious about landfill, and it is a serious issue, they would require deposit return schemes (like the 5c bottle deposit scheme in SA) for most packaging and get manufacturers to pay for it.

The irony in that plan would be that the price of the 5c deposit that the manufacturers would wear, would be a cost passed down to the consumer through the price of the item.

That’s fine with me – it’s an act of job creation for low-income earners – there are people who supplement or make a living off bottle deposits in SA. It’s also a great community service (reduced landfill, less resource depletion from having to make new packaging, cleaner environment).

RuffnReady 3:28 pm 22 Jan 09

proofpositive said :

Certainly is Gorebull warming due to CO2
http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2008/methane-tt1029.html
“methane is 25 times more powerful as a greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide”

Hmmm, and your point?

Atmospheric methane levels have risen over 150% since the Industrial Revolution, as have a the levels of a number of other gases which are 100-1000s of times more powerful as greenhouse gases than CO2. None of which denies the fact that atmospheric CO2 levels have risen by about 40% since the start of the Industrial Revolution, and that that is influencing climate change, and that the increases in concentration of all of these GHGs is occurring 10-100 times quicker than “natural cycles” ever have. There are huge quantities of methane locked up below the ice in northern Siberia and Greenland, and if they are ever released the world will experience the runaway greenhouse warming that scares the crap out of scientists and anyone who has a clue about the impacts.

But yeah, I’m not going to debate the science yet again, because only people who haven’t read it and don’t know what they are talking about bring up the usual, spurious, mythical anti-claims that have already been disproven by the scientists thousands of times over.

Timberwolf65 12:47 pm 22 Jan 09

I hate Monty Python, but love Faulty Towers!
LMAO!

Granny 12:32 pm 22 Jan 09

How can you hate Monty Python!

😮

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