18 August 2013

OC Spray in Shooters

18 August 2013 | johnboy

An 18-year-old Holt man was arrested this morning after a disturbance at a Civic nightclub.

About 3.15am, police were called to Shooters nightclub on East Row after receiving reports of a fight inside the club.

Police attended and were speaking to one of the parties involved outside the club, when the Holt man approached them in an aggressive manner.

The man ignored repeated demands by police to leave the area and continued to threaten police. He was subsequently taken into custody for breach of the peace. The man resisted violently, punching a police officer in the face.

Three additional men became involved, and were also taken into custody. During the disturbance police were required to deploy oleoresin (OC) spray.

All four men were transported to the ACT Watch House. The Holt man has been charged with common assault, obstruct territory official and breach of the peace. He received Watch House bail, and will face court at a later date.

ACT Policing Superintendent Justine Gough said police would not tolerate being the victims of violent behaviour.

“Alcohol-fueled violence is a national issue, and we’re not immune to it here. However, our officers have every right to perform their duties without being the target of violence. It is completely unacceptable,” Superintendent Gough said.

[Courtesy ACT Policing]

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Mr Evil1:03 pm 21 Aug 13

Papatroy said :

I seen the whole thing In and outside shooters. Young bloke was dancing minding his own business when some random walks over and try’s to fight him. I restrained the random guy and asked him to leave shooters. The police walked in a short time later and asked the young guy to come down stairs outside. Once outside I seen the police immediately throw him and his older mate on the ground without asking them anything. And used much much more force then was required so much so many people who witnessed the incident including myself stepped in and pleaded for the afp to be less violent. Then they pepper sprayed the guys while they where already restrained on the ground very excessive the young bloke was 50-60kgs tops and had about 2 much bigger afp officers kicking the shit out of him. The end result was 10 times worse then the Original alleged offence. I’ve worked as a bouncer for many years and am trained in dealing with these situations. If I treated. Member of the public like this whilst working I’d be in jail. I was disgusted with the massive amount of excessive forced used by the AFP. The injury sustained by the AFP was 100th the Injury’s the two guys received from being arrested. I like the AFP they do a hard job. But remember officers are people to and these officers went overboard big time it’s seemed personal not professional.

Yeah, and it happened just like this, eh…………

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjkQSREjxH0

bundah10:33 am 21 Aug 13

Mike Crowther said :

Papatroy:

Easy. You go along to court as a witness for the defence and have your evidence tested. That’s why we have a court system. And the court system is why it doesn’t make sense to resist arrest (or punch on with the cops) because you think youre in the right.

Indeed, although it’s much easier to articulate one’s version of events, however poorly, on RA than to front the terror of the courts. Personally I have found the experience both eye-opening and satisfying, particularly if one is successful in persuading the magistrate to one’s version of events. The plod really hate that and on one occasion I had one of them express his disgust to me outside the court over the outcome of the traffic matter.

Stevian10:33 am 21 Aug 13

Papatroy said :

I seen the whole thing In and outside shooters. Young bloke was dancing minding his own business when some random walks over and try’s to fight him. I restrained the random guy and asked him to leave shooters. The police walked in a short time later and asked the young guy to come down stairs outside. Once outside I seen the police immediately throw him and his older mate on the ground without asking them anything. And used much much more force then was required so much so many people who witnessed the incident including myself stepped in and pleaded for the afp to be less violent. Then they pepper sprayed the guys while they where already restrained on the ground very excessive the young bloke was 50-60kgs tops and had about 2 much bigger afp officers kicking the shit out of him. The end result was 10 times worse then the Original alleged offence. I’ve worked as a bouncer for many years and am trained in dealing with these situations. If I treated. Member of the public like this whilst working I’d be in jail. I was disgusted with the massive amount of excessive forced used by the AFP. The injury sustained by the AFP was 100th the Injury’s the two guys received from being arrested. I like the AFP they do a hard job. But remember officers are people to and these officers went overboard big time it’s seemed personal not professional.

You really didn’t see a thing except in your imagination.If you did, lodge a complaint where it will do some good rather than bleating among the sheep

Kim F8:54 am 21 Aug 13

Blessed are the cheese-makers !

Mike Crowther7:57 am 21 Aug 13

Papatroy: Easy. You go along to court as a witness for the defence and have your evidence tested. That’s why we have a court system. And the court system is why it doesn’t make sense to resist arrest (or punch on with the cops) because you think youre in the right.

c_c™11:40 pm 20 Aug 13

Papatroy said :

I seen the whole thing…

Needn’t bother reading any further, that basically says it all.

Papatroy11:33 pm 20 Aug 13

bundah said :

Papatroy said :

bundah said :

Papatroy said :

I seen the whole thing In and outside shooters. Young bloke was dancing minding his own business when some random walks over and try’s to fight him. I restrained the random guy and asked him to leave shooters. The police walked in a short time later and asked the young guy to come down stairs outside. Once outside I seen the police immediately throw him and his older mate on the ground without asking them anything. And used much much more force then was required so much so many people who witnessed the incident including myself stepped in and pleaded for the afp to be less violent. Then they pepper sprayed the guys while they where already restrained on the ground very excessive the young bloke was 50-60kgs tops and had about 2 much bigger afp officers kicking the shit out of him. The end result was 10 times worse then the Original alleged offence. I’ve worked as a bouncer for many years and am trained in dealing with these situations. If I treated. Member of the public like this whilst working I’d be in jail. I was disgusted with the massive amount of excessive forced used by the AFP. The injury sustained by the AFP was 100th the Injury’s the two guys received from being arrested. I like the AFP they do a hard job. But remember officers are people to and these officers went overboard big time it’s seemed personal not professional.

Well your version of events totally contradicts the media release from ACT Policing. So are you saying that the Holt man didn’t threaten and wasn’t aggressive nor punched the officer in the face?

Just strengthens my belief that we need high quality extensive CCTV all over Civic, especially focused around nightclub locations to capture any violent incidents in order to get to the bottom of the sequence of events rather than rely on eyewitness accounts which are often contradictory.

The young bloke didn’t get a chance to do anything if he did come into contact with the AFP it was from putting his hands up to shield the blows the AFP were giving him. While he was on the ground. At no time did I see the young guy try to be violent to the police. He didn’t go quite but he didn’t attack them at all

Is there CCTV at shooters that captured the incident?

I hope so.

Papatroy10:31 pm 20 Aug 13

Pork Hunt said :

Papatroy said :

I seen the whole thing In and outside shooters. Young bloke was dancing minding his own business when some random walks over and try’s to fight him. I restrained the random guy and asked him to leave shooters. The police walked in a short time later and asked the young guy to come down stairs outside. Once outside I seen the police immediately throw him and his older mate on the ground without asking them anything. And used much much more force then was required so much so many people who witnessed the incident including myself stepped in and pleaded for the afp to be less violent. Then they pepper sprayed the guys while they where already restrained on the ground very excessive the young bloke was 50-60kgs tops and had about 2 much bigger afp officers kicking the shit out of him. The end result was 10 times worse then the Original alleged offence. I’ve worked as a bouncer for many years and am trained in dealing with these situations. If I treated. Member of the public like this whilst working I’d be in jail. I was disgusted with the massive amount of excessive forced used by the AFP. The injury sustained by the AFP was 100th the Injury’s the two guys received from being arrested. I like the AFP they do a hard job. But remember officers are people to and these officers went overboard big time it’s seemed personal not professional.

I would be fairly certain that AFP members do not go around in front of night clubs ” kicking the shit out of people”. Is there any chance that you could clarify your narrative?

Yes I can from what I seen they were resisting being wrongfully arrested IMO more they tried to reason the rougher they were treated the big fella was trying to protect the young bloke from being restrained and they hit them while they were holding onto each other on the ground till they let go out front of shooters yes out front in front of the public. Anyone who tried to reason with the AFP were threaten with being locked up and a few did. Even I was threatened with OC and I was a peace maker

bundah10:27 pm 20 Aug 13

Papatroy said :

bundah said :

Papatroy said :

I seen the whole thing In and outside shooters. Young bloke was dancing minding his own business when some random walks over and try’s to fight him. I restrained the random guy and asked him to leave shooters. The police walked in a short time later and asked the young guy to come down stairs outside. Once outside I seen the police immediately throw him and his older mate on the ground without asking them anything. And used much much more force then was required so much so many people who witnessed the incident including myself stepped in and pleaded for the afp to be less violent. Then they pepper sprayed the guys while they where already restrained on the ground very excessive the young bloke was 50-60kgs tops and had about 2 much bigger afp officers kicking the shit out of him. The end result was 10 times worse then the Original alleged offence. I’ve worked as a bouncer for many years and am trained in dealing with these situations. If I treated. Member of the public like this whilst working I’d be in jail. I was disgusted with the massive amount of excessive forced used by the AFP. The injury sustained by the AFP was 100th the Injury’s the two guys received from being arrested. I like the AFP they do a hard job. But remember officers are people to and these officers went overboard big time it’s seemed personal not professional.

Well your version of events totally contradicts the media release from ACT Policing. So are you saying that the Holt man didn’t threaten and wasn’t aggressive nor punched the officer in the face?

Just strengthens my belief that we need high quality extensive CCTV all over Civic, especially focused around nightclub locations to capture any violent incidents in order to get to the bottom of the sequence of events rather than rely on eyewitness accounts which are often contradictory.

The young bloke didn’t get a chance to do anything if he did come into contact with the AFP it was from putting his hands up to shield the blows the AFP were giving him. While he was on the ground. At no time did I see the young guy try to be violent to the police. He didn’t go quite but he didn’t attack them at all

Is there CCTV at shooters that captured the incident?

Papatroy10:03 pm 20 Aug 13

These guys were bleeding a lot and covered in OC spray poor bloke feel bad for them cops should have arrested the guy that started the fight not the young bloke but they wouldn’t listen and got the wrong guys its would have been almost comical if the AFP were not so heavy handed

Papatroy9:53 pm 20 Aug 13

bundah said :

Papatroy said :

I seen the whole thing In and outside shooters. Young bloke was dancing minding his own business when some random walks over and try’s to fight him. I restrained the random guy and asked him to leave shooters. The police walked in a short time later and asked the young guy to come down stairs outside. Once outside I seen the police immediately throw him and his older mate on the ground without asking them anything. And used much much more force then was required so much so many people who witnessed the incident including myself stepped in and pleaded for the afp to be less violent. Then they pepper sprayed the guys while they where already restrained on the ground very excessive the young bloke was 50-60kgs tops and had about 2 much bigger afp officers kicking the shit out of him. The end result was 10 times worse then the Original alleged offence. I’ve worked as a bouncer for many years and am trained in dealing with these situations. If I treated. Member of the public like this whilst working I’d be in jail. I was disgusted with the massive amount of excessive forced used by the AFP. The injury sustained by the AFP was 100th the Injury’s the two guys received from being arrested. I like the AFP they do a hard job. But remember officers are people to and these officers went overboard big time it’s seemed personal not professional.

Well your version of events totally contradicts the media release from ACT Policing. So are you saying that the Holt man didn’t threaten and wasn’t aggressive nor punched the officer in the face?

Just strengthens my belief that we need high quality extensive CCTV all over Civic, especially focused around nightclub locations to capture any violent incidents in order to get to the bottom of the sequence of events rather than rely on eyewitness accounts which are often contradictory.

The young bloke didn’t get a chance to do anything if he did come into contact with the AFP it was from putting his hands up to shield the blows the AFP were giving him. While he was on the ground. At no time did I see the young guy try to be violent to the police. He didn’t go quite but he didn’t attack them at all

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