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Patients leaving mental health facility to have a smoke.

By Barcham 22 February 2013 70

ABC News has run a story about mental health patients quitting their treatments early because they are being denied a smoke. Starting this year a smoking ban was implemented into Canberra Hospital’s new psychiatric facility, banning patients from smoking outdoors in the facility’s designated smoking areas.

Does anyone else feel that denying people who are obviously already having a tough time a chance to satisfy their nicotine addictions is a bit well… mean?

ACT Health says there have been five cases where they think the smoking ban has contributed to voluntary patients deciding to leave the facility before finishing their treatment.


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DrKoresh 12:46 pm 25 Feb 13

Alderney said :

Your hardly going to make it to Professor of Politics with that understanding of political ideology.

As long as you’re never made Chancellor, I can live with that 😀

Alderney 12:38 pm 25 Feb 13

DrKoresh said :

Alderney said :

You’re the one being a fascist dick about it

Your hardly going to make it to Professor of Politics with that understanding of political ideology.

DrKoresh 12:09 pm 25 Feb 13

Alderney said :

One can engage in all manner of activity that has little or no impact on others. If I’m standing at, well anywhere really, and a smoker then stands near me and sparks up I’m supposed to think that is alright? It’s pure selfishness to expect to be able to do certain things everyone knows impact on others. Either that or they are just plain ignorant.

Let me know where you live and I’ll back the car up to your window and leave it running. Why should I obstain from an activity just because it might bother you?

Careful getting off that horse Doctor.

Nowhere did I say that it’s important to me that I stand next to you breathing smoke directly down your throat. You can keep acting as though I have, if that makes it easier for you to carry on this argument. I never said I wanted to stand inside your house chain-smoking, just that if want to able to do it in MY house, then it’s not any of your lumping business. You’re the one being a fascist dick about it, so it’s a bit rich of you to talk about my high horse.

Alderney 11:18 am 25 Feb 13

Gobbo said :

God, some people want the universe to revolve about them, don’t they? Selfish sods.

I agree whole heartedly; most smokers indeed are that.

Gobbo 10:36 am 25 Feb 13

Alderney, here’s a tip. Next time you are locked up in the mental health ward against your will, do not go into the smokers yard. That way you will not be exposed to second hand smoke, and the poor bastards who want one will be able to have a ciggy without your permission.

God, some people want the universe to revolve about them, don’t they? Selfish sods.

Alderney 9:49 am 25 Feb 13

DrKoresh said :

Alderney said :

Whoa, cue all the smokers that are now eying off the lift or the stairwell because someone mentioned cigarette.

I had (yes, past tense) a relative who only used to remember she needed a cigarette when she saw an advertisment for cigs. She’d be dead by now because of age, but she died in pain of lung cancer.

There’s no such thing as a healthy number of cigarettes, every cigarette does you damage. And if someone can smell your smoke, you’re doing them damage too. Height of selfishness.

Everyone else should abstain from an activity because it upsets you? Height of selfishness.

One can engage in all manner of activity that has little or no impact on others. If I’m standing at, well anywhere really, and a smoker then stands near me and sparks up I’m supposed to think that is alright? It’s pure selfishness to expect to be able to do certain things everyone knows impact on others. Either that or they are just plain ignorant.

Let me know where you live and I’ll back the car up to your window and leave it running. Why should I obstain from an activity just because it might bother you?

Careful getting off that horse Doctor.

fraserdude 9:19 am 24 Feb 13

Just another case of the do gooder anti smoking lobby inflicting general pain on others from their dizzy inconsiderate heights.

kakosi said :

It’s an outdoor area right? It’s not just the mental patients that are insane here.

Couldn’t agree more. The management of the place should hang their heads in shame.

IrishPete 9:00 am 24 Feb 13

Leinna said :

The self medication hypothesis is the theory that the very high rates of smoking in schizophrenic patients (who consume 1/4-1/2 of all cigarettes apparently…) is due to improvements in symptoms caused by the nicotine.

The other argument is that the poor self control and insight that are caused by schizophrenic leads to increased susceptibility to addictive drugs.

Then there is the theory that nicotine might promote the development of schizophrenia.

Here’s an article abstract: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/19023823/?i=8&from=nicotine%20self%20medication%20hypothesis%20schizophrenia

Then there’s also the suggestion I gave that it offsets the sedating effects of medication.

Smoking is certainly used as a slight distraction from symptoms; often someone with schizophrenia can’t listen to radio, or watch TV, either because they “hear things” from them, or just because what’s going on inside their head is too strong/loud. Rolling a cigarette is a slight distraction, and can also be a social thing – smoking with others and chatting, which is a great distraction.

The idea that nicotine contributes to onset of schizophrenia would be easily tested – what came first, heavy smoking or schizophrenia; I’m confident it is almost always the schizophrenia.

And yes, judgement, insight, health awareness and so on aren’t priorities for many people with schizophrenia (unless their illness is well-controlled).

Someone earlier suggested nicotine inhalers – I don’t think the cigarette-shaped ones are legal in Australia.

IP

Gobbo 8:27 am 24 Feb 13

Fact is that anyone becoming psychotic will be at the lowest ebb of their lives, carrying demons inside of them who render them incapable of coping with reality.

For the government to only give them the treatment that may save their lives on the condition that they undergo nicotine withdrawal at the SAME TIME, is blatant social engineering at least, overtly cruel is more near the truth.

To try to get someone who is psychotic into hospital is hard enough, seeing a schizophrenics have the highest smoking rates in the country, if they know they are not allowed to smoke in the hospital mental health facility, trying to get them to go in will be even harder, and many will run for it if they know the nurses are thinking they need to go in.

This is the nanny state at its worse, whoever made this rule is sick in the head.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd 8:14 am 24 Feb 13

DrKoresh said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

DrKoresh said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

DrKoresh said :

breda said :

Look out, all you wine qaffers. If they have their way, in ten years you’ll be looking at pictures of cirrosed livers on the label. If you think I’m exaggerating, look at how the cigarette packet thing began – just a small warning label which grew and grew.

The New Puritans are among us, and are delighting in making people suffer in the name of “promoting healthy lifestyles”.

+1! Too true. I can’t stand this wave of moralistic legislation on how people should spend their free time. Makes me want to find the biggest, stinkiest cigar in the world and blow the smoke in their respective faces.

Right, yet here I’m not wishing cancer on anyone, or calling anyone an arsehole. I’m figuratively expressing my resentment towards people who think they have a right to tell me how to live my life. What point are you trying to make? Or are you just quoting words like a parrot?

So if you lit up next to me and my kids and I told you to put it out, would you do as told or blow smoke in my face?

Troll face is off, this is a serious question.

I wouldn’t light up next to you and your kids. I’ve already said that I move away from others when I have a smoke, but that’s doubly true when children are involved. I always make sure to move well away from kids.

Thank you.

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