Police minister endorses use of lethal force to subdue offenders

Jonathon Reynolds 11 November 2007 78

The ABC have several reports on the shooting that occurred in Phillip yesterday. The first one was ‘Knife-wielding man’ shot by police, and a follow up article appeared today ACT Police Minister defends shooting.

Whilst the individual was not killed by the shooting, it sends a scary message

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78 Responses to Police minister endorses use of lethal force to subdue offenders
sepi sepi 11:21 am 17 Nov 07

More spending on mental health facilities and services might prevent some of these situations from occurring.

MRB MRB 12:53 am 17 Nov 07

Ingee, if you’d read the media, old mate was going nuts before police arrived. So who was incompetent prior to their arrival? I can hear you saying “Not him, no way…”
The cops arrived and dealt with what they were presented with.
You are an naive, claustrophobic, ‘bad things shouldn’t happen’ fool.
You are exactly correct, however, when you say “desperately clutching at the last thing left”. That’s the time when a firearm can, and should be used. If you want to second guess the decision, get some balls and go and try it out.
By the way, they did use capsicum spray to no effect. And again, if you read the media and the document released to the public relating to tazers, you would realise that these are not general issue, only to the tactical team. This might be hard for you to believe, but a higly intoxicated person with knifes who is threatening to kill police is not often going to wait for the appropriate resources to turn up before getting impatient.
For christ’s sake, get out of your own bizarre reality, and come and experience what everyone else can obviously sees.

Mash Mash 8:39 pm 16 Nov 07

This situation was hardly run of the mill! So please, enlighten us as to how you would competently resolve this situation!

Perhaps instead of shouting incompetence from behind a computer screen, you should have a go at the job?

Deadmandrinking Deadmandrinking 8:30 pm 16 Nov 07

Ingee…the officers themselves weren’t incompetent. The guy was coming at them with a knife and capsicum spray was ineffective. What would you have done in their boots?

Ingeegoodbee Ingeegoodbee 8:25 pm 16 Nov 07

You would imagine that getting on top of a situation that included a knife wielding psycho might involve controlling the chap with the knife – there’d be a bunch of ways to manage that – remember all those things like capsicum spray, tasers, etc that we were told would be vital tools that the police could use to avoid shooting some wired tool with a knife! You should – they were your taxes the Government was spending.

It just seems like a pretty obvious conclusion that when you bust a cap in some loons butt you’re pretty much desperately clutching at the last thing left. We shouldn’t be paying taxes to have people screw up badly enough to have to nail a chap because they cant manage a run of the mill disarm-and-neutralize situation.

The Ministers support id just a bit of spin designed to sound like a hard-man, get all the lame brains nodding in approval and distract from the fact the whole thing happened because the police are incompetent – the logical outcome of under training and under resourcing.

Deadmandrinking Deadmandrinking 1:16 am 16 Nov 07

Too silly? For Riot-Act?

Doctor Evil Doctor Evil 10:04 pm 15 Nov 07

Now you’re just being silly

Deadmandrinking Deadmandrinking 9:42 pm 15 Nov 07

But I’m batman!

Doctor Evil Doctor Evil 7:53 pm 15 Nov 07

You needn’t worry about my safety DMD, you wouldn’t get within 5 paces before MiniMe shot you fair in the leg 🙂

Deadmandrinking Deadmandrinking 7:28 pm 15 Nov 07

*shuts ears with fingers and sings as Dr Evil speaks, for the latter’s safety*

Yes, Ingee, it would be worth having a lot into this lad’s mental history. In the article, he is quoted as saying ‘I’ve been sprayed before’. That indicates that the police have had dealings with him before.

However, the cops are not shrinks. They are there (supposedly) to ensure the safety of citizens and the maintenance of law and order. If there was a conceivable way of predicting and preventing this incedent, it should have been done by someone else at an earlier time. The police did the best they could.

(Sorry about the threats, doc, but you see Lord Maelinar taught me well. Threats of violence on the internets always make you correct, and they make your dick bigger. Btw, Maelinar, if you read this comment {I haven’t seemed to be able to have an online tussle with you this week}, I’d like to inform you that I’ll be at the Pot Belly Bar in Belconnen on Friday night. I think I’ll make a habit of informing you and other internet tough-guys of my weekend outings, just in case they want to snipe me down ;))

Mash Mash 6:59 pm 15 Nov 07

Ingee – with your seemingly infinite wisdom, please enlighten us as to how you would best manage the situation?

I’ve noticed you’re more than willing to suggest the Police were incompetent, but please put yourself in their shoes and tell us! We’re all ears (well eyes).

Ingeegoodbee Ingeegoodbee 5:34 pm 15 Nov 07

Trolls aside, is there any point in debating the idea that shooting someone as a point of last resort reflects a failure to manage a situation? If they chap with the knife is getting into a situation where he can do damage, dos’t that suggest that the situation is out of control?

Doctor Evil Doctor Evil 3:46 pm 15 Nov 07

Mr Evil – not lesser at all. Clearly your evil-ness is well regarded around here as you seem to have already upset DMD long before I arrrived.

I can however say that to be truly credible and better than everyone else, one must have a PHD :p

Now let’s see who that upsets……

Deadmandrinking Deadmandrinking 1:24 pm 15 Nov 07

Well, we see eye to eye then. All good.

Thumper Thumper 1:21 pm 15 Nov 07

People are different man. I don’t get stressed, easy as that. And I’d didn’t suggest that everyone functions the same way as I do or they’d be alchoholics who all die of lung cancer 🙂

World would be a boring place if we were all the same.

Deadmandrinking Deadmandrinking 1:16 pm 15 Nov 07

Well…questions all answered then…

Except the bit about expecting everyone to function the same way you do. What’s the go with that, huh?

(I’m taking this site less seriously by the minute. Hopefully, it’s just a mood.)

Thumper Thumper 1:11 pm 15 Nov 07

Touche then, as i also wrote about leaving it to the courts…

Deadmandrinking Deadmandrinking 1:08 pm 15 Nov 07

If you read my post, you would notice that I said…
“I’ve no qualms about the actions of the police in this case. The young man breached the last line of defense before lethal force and it’s only a miracle he didn’t get killed.”

That pretty much pre-answers your question, doesn’t it?

I’m talking about what happens in terms of consequences now he’s survived and going through the courts.

Thumper Thumper 1:04 pm 15 Nov 07

So, the police should let someone run around like a lunatic because he ‘might’ have stress or a mental problem?

Look, I agree, shooting people is not good. If we had a giant net shooter or instant freeze gun then life would be so much better, but we don’t, and if people are going to do such things as endanger the lives of others, then so be it.

And I’m sure the copper than shot him is not proud of the fact.

And I note that you neglect to address things such as this;

‘And either way, stressed or mental illness wouldn’t have helped the cop or some unfortunate member of the public if they ended up with a carving knife embedded in their chest.’

Deadmandrinking Deadmandrinking 12:48 pm 15 Nov 07

You stopped me from double-posting you evil bastard! This relationship is over, honey!

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