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Police speeding

By ex-vectis - 15 January 2012 53

On Thursday at 5:15pm ish I was driving back to Tuggeronong along the parkway.  Doing my usual sticking to 100kph (indicated on GPS, but give it +-10% to prevent the replies about speedio accuracy :-)) and normally in the left lane but going into the right to overtake.

Passing the zoo, as I was overtaking a few cars and caravan, I noticed a Police car some distance behind, but getting nearer.  No worries, the lights/siren were not on and so just another vehicle.

As was was still overtaking the Police car came up behind and tailgated like he really wanted a good sniff of my backside.  Not to be intimidated by the idiot, I completed my manouver, going back into the left once passed the slower cars and leaving a suitable gap (IE. Not cutting them up as the bone head in the Police car obviously was trying to force me to do.).

Once back into the left lane he then proceeded to shoot past, obviously breaking the speed limit even if my speed was 10% slower than indicated and his was 10% higher.

The thing that really got the hairs on my neck to bristle was when he slowed (brake lights came on) for the Cotter road speed camera!!!  This proved that his speeding was premeditated and he knew he was breaking the law.

Ignoring whether the Parkway should be 100kph or 200kph, that ‘policeman’ was blatantly and knowingly speeding.  Not only that but he was so far up my backside he probably had a view of my appendix.

When even the police ignore laws that they have been entrusted to uphold – whether they agree with them or not – what hope is there that they can keep law and order.  That guy has been trusted with a firearm and is trusted – and paid – to ensure laws are not broken.  I have to say that my respect for ACT police has taken a bit of a kick.  I realise that it is just one person (although he did have another ‘policeman’ sat next to him who obviously also doesn’t give a damn about road safety) and every barrel will have the odd rotten apple but it just really bothered me.  Why should I stick to speed limits if the ACT Police themselves cant even be bothered.  Its just not right.

I’m currently writing to the ACT Police, copying the Chief Minister, about this (although I didnt get the rego) and will let you fellow Rioters what the response is.  Unfortunately, my money is that I get a fobbing off response – which will unhealthily reduce my respect even more.

What’s Your opinion?


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Spideydog 11:31 am 17 Jan 12

DrKoresh said :

WTF? “Semi-urgent” is bulls***, either it’s urgent or it’s not, they were on the parkway, so obviously not near the scene of this supposed crime, or at least not near enough that flashing lights would be a problem. I’m not one for vilifying the police either, but I don’t go making up shite excuses when they’re obviously not playing by the rules. And chill out on the ‘?’s, they make you look a crazy person.

So why would the legislators have an exemption in the ruling, to allow not displaying emergency lights and siren if circumstances dictate? There are numerous instance where lights and siren are not appropriate, ie offenders on location and Police don’t want to scare off the offenders in the hope of catching them red handed….. Or in circumstances where it is actually more confusing for other vehicles if the police vehicle is displaying these emergency devices. Sometimes it is safer and easier for other road users if the Police vehicle is moving through traffic (reasonably of course) without creating panic with lights and siren going.

There are plenty of people who like telling the Police how they should do their job but do not have the foggiest of how to do the job and what it fully entails.9* Damned if they do, damned if they don’t. By all means if they are doing something you deem unfair, illegal etc, complain and have it investigated. There are bad apples in ALL walks of life and workplaces and I am not insinuating they are always right.

In relation to parking in “illegal” parking spaces to get lunch, coffee etc. To be honest I am on both sides of the fence. If there is suitable parking nearby, they should use it. If there is none available I do not have a problem if they use it. They are an emergency vehicle and do require quick access to a vehicle to respond to potentially life and death situations at instantaneous notice. I am sure if you asked many an officer how many times they have waiting in line to purchase a meal and have had to leave abruptly because of an emergency situation. The exemption is there in the ARR’s and I believe this is reasonable IF used reasonably.

For the record I have seen countless times, ambos and the firies doing the same thing. My opinion is the same for them.

buzz819 11:06 am 17 Jan 12

Skyring said :

buzz819 said :

Skyring said :

The police especially should be setting examples of good driving behaviour, otherwise it’s “Do as I say, not do as I do.”

Well the Police do a lot of “do what I say, not what I do.”

Examples, they carry guns, OC Spray, tazers, batons, they can legally break the road laws, they can deprive someone of their liberties etc.

So the Police should not be able to do any of that?

Regardless of how heavily they are armed, the police should still set a good driving example. The OP certainly didn’t regard the tailgating, speeding copper as acting reasonably, nor do I think that police should park illegally to get a coffee. As I said, the McDonald’s drive-thru is nearby, running 24/7, so there’s really no excuse.

It’s got nothing to do with how heavily armed they are, you are saying that should not be about “Do what I say, not what I do.”

So a Police car, stuck in the drive through, 3 or 4 cars a head of it, 2 or 3 cars behind it, get’s called to an urgent job, how do they get out? I hope it’s you having your taxi stolen when that happens, might make you think twice about Police being able to have their car’s close by.

Special G 9:56 am 17 Jan 12

I reckon the OP was speeding to overtake the vehicle when he pulled into the right lane cutting off the Police car in an unsafe lane change and then looked into his rear vision mirror and dropped to the posted speed limit. The Po po had somewhere more important to be so didn’t pull him over at the time and continued on.

Post up the letter you sent (or it didn’t happen) and it would be pretty easy to track the Police car and driver down. That’s one of the things about accountability if someone wants to know which car is where and when chances are these things can be found out.

Maybe they were traffic screening. A reasonable use of Police powers.

Skyring 3:28 am 17 Jan 12

gazket said :

If you were a real Canberran you would of brake checked him for tailgating.

That would make for a real bonehead. Three cars moving along at 100 km/h in close proximity and suddenly the one in front slams on his brakes. Anybody’s guess as to how the thing pans out after the first contact, but a certainty that it won’t be pretty.

But people do this occasionally, which is why the cop driver was being an idiot by tailgating. Maybe he was in a hurry to get some of that great barista coffee at Manuka.

gazket 10:58 pm 16 Jan 12

If you were a real Canberran you would of brake checked him for tailgating.

ex-vectis 8:06 pm 16 Jan 12

I’m glad the more cerebral readers of RA see the actual issue here and I’ve written to the ACT Police and Cheif Minister about this.

As pointed out in the original post, I was not crawling along in the offside lane but in the process of of overtaking. That the police car shoul slow for the camera and then speed up showed he knew he was doing wrong. That he tailgated shows little knowledge of road accident causes.

I will admit that calling the driver a bone head and idiot was a little emotional but it just struck a nerve with me. I see enough poor & dangerous driving in ACT without seeing the police taking part as well. I have two chums in NSW police and an armed quick response officer in the UK (who perhaps has the best public-road driving skills I know of after having pretty extensive training – I’m always as nervous has hell when he’s in the passenger seat :-)) who feel the same as myself.

The NSW guys did find the action odd as the Pollce are often in the front-line of attending road traffic accidents and so often see the dreadful results and destroyed lives caused by bad driving.

Skyring 6:51 pm 16 Jan 12

buzz819 said :

Skyring said :

The police especially should be setting examples of good driving behaviour, otherwise it’s “Do as I say, not do as I do.”

Well the Police do a lot of “do what I say, not what I do.”

Examples, they carry guns, OC Spray, tazers, batons, they can legally break the road laws, they can deprive someone of their liberties etc.

So the Police should not be able to do any of that?

Regardless of how heavily they are armed, the police should still set a good driving example. The OP certainly didn’t regard the tailgating, speeding copper as acting reasonably, nor do I think that police should park illegally to get a coffee. As I said, the McDonald’s drive-thru is nearby, running 24/7, so there’s really no excuse.

reality_check 6:40 pm 16 Jan 12

Skyring said :

buzz819 said :

Skyring said :

For buying a cup of coffee???? Do you seriously think that’s what the legislators actually had in mind when framing the law?

If the cops are engaged on emergency or even routine work, and there’s no other convenient spaces, fine. But when it’s for their own personal convenience, then it’s not reasonable to park illegally.

Of course, police folk may see things differently to the rest of us.

The Police car is part of their equipment, they still need to be able to respond to incidents at short notice, they can not be expected to have to run three blocks just to get to their car because YOU think they should not park in the taxi rank.

That is why it states reasonable, do you get upset when the Ambo’s or the firies park there? I know they do, have seen it with my own eyes.

I haven’t seen the ambulance or fire service guys parking and having a cup of coffee. I have seen them attending to people injured or ill, or responding to a fire alarm. That’s fine by me.

Of course, police should have ready access to their vehicle at all times. But please, could you address the point I raised about coffee and the intentions of the legislators?

What is more important: coffee or access to the vehicle? I don’t think that there is any over-riding requirement that police drink espresso coffee, and if you believe there is, then what is wrong with Mcdonald’s drive-through? That’s only a hundred metres away, there’s no need to get out of the police vehicle, and the coffee isn’t bad.

Do you think that the need for barista coffee is so vital that the police need to break the law to get it?

Or do you think police are always in the right?

Are you serious? God forbid the Police actually get a decent cup of coffee before/during a long shift in which they have to listen and respond to bullshit such as this post. So they can have coffee… Just not the good stuff? Genius.

HenryBG 5:16 pm 16 Jan 12

So the police hold Canberra’s poorly-devised speed limits in as much contempt as the rest of the community does then?

Speed limits (and other arbitrary laws that attempt to govern and constrain our behaviour ) seem to be some sort of security blanket for selfush road users such as ex-vectis.

If somebody is approaching from behind you, that means they are going faster than you are. In that circumstance, a considerate road user does their best to not deliberately obstruct their progress. Clearly, you are not such a road user.

buzz819 4:52 pm 16 Jan 12

Skyring said :

pink little birdie said :

The firemen park in the Taxi rank at the Kambah shops when they go buy their dinner on a regular basis if the car parks up the back won’t fit the fire truck. Also the whole crew goes in the the ride to the shops incase their is an incidedent. I don’t mind when the any emergency service vechicle takes the taxi rank. but regular cars should be hit with a wrecking ball when they do that.

A little mild inconvinence is totally worth having the Emergency services willing to put their lives/safety on the line when it’s needed or get help to me quickly when I need it.

Sorry, I can’t go along with this. The police especially should be setting examples of good driving behaviour, otherwise it’s “Do as I say, not do as I do.”.

I can’t say that I’ve ever actually seen a cab on the Kambah rank. It’s one of those, like the Jamison rank, where there’s no work and no point waiting there. Nevertheless, it shouldn’t be used for any vehicles but taxis, save for genuine emergencies. Again, I make the point that the taxi industry pays for taxi rank spaces – they aren’t just painted off and set aside like disabled spots or bus stops.

Well the Police do a lot of “do what I say, not what I do.”

Examples, they carry guns, OC Spray, tazers, batons, they can legally break the road laws, they can deprive someone of their liberties etc.

So the Police should not be able to do any of that?

While I understand that you feel your work place is being effected due to a Police officer legally parking in your taxi rank, are there often many other cars that stop in the taxi rank while the Police are there? Or do they tend to move on a bit further instead?

Skyring 4:18 pm 16 Jan 12

pink little birdie said :

The firemen park in the Taxi rank at the Kambah shops when they go buy their dinner on a regular basis if the car parks up the back won’t fit the fire truck. Also the whole crew goes in the the ride to the shops incase their is an incidedent. I don’t mind when the any emergency service vechicle takes the taxi rank. but regular cars should be hit with a wrecking ball when they do that.

A little mild inconvinence is totally worth having the Emergency services willing to put their lives/safety on the line when it’s needed or get help to me quickly when I need it.

Sorry, I can’t go along with this. The police especially should be setting examples of good driving behaviour, otherwise it’s “Do as I say, not do as I do.”.

I can’t say that I’ve ever actually seen a cab on the Kambah rank. It’s one of those, like the Jamison rank, where there’s no work and no point waiting there. Nevertheless, it shouldn’t be used for any vehicles but taxis, save for genuine emergencies. Again, I make the point that the taxi industry pays for taxi rank spaces – they aren’t just painted off and set aside like disabled spots or bus stops.

pink little birdie 3:59 pm 16 Jan 12

Skyring said :

buzz819 said :

Skyring said :

I haven’t seen the ambulance or fire service guys parking and having a cup of coffee. I have seen them attending to people injured or ill, or responding to a fire alarm. That’s fine by me.

The firemen park in the Taxi rank at the Kambah shops when they go buy their dinner on a regular basis if the car parks up the back won’t fit the fire truck. Also the whole crew goes in the the ride to the shops incase their is an incidedent. I don’t mind when the any emergency service vechicle takes the taxi rank. but regular cars should be hit with a wrecking ball when they do that.

A little mild inconvinence is totally worth having the Emergency services willing to put their lives/safety on the line when it’s needed or get help to me quickly when I need it.

Alderney 2:24 pm 16 Jan 12

justsomeaussie said :

Use the smart phone App waze. It gives you your speed and also creates a log of where you were and at what speed. If you were ever fined for speeding it’s been used in court to prove innocence.

Given the iphone app which I use for cycling to and from work sometimes has me doing 77 km/h, I’m not too sure I’d rely on that one in a court of law. The thing even has me doing different distances, anywhere from 13.5 – 15.5 km when I travel the same route every single time

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