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Police Wrap – 30 October

By johnboy - 30 October 2008 39

1. Watson drugs and weapons:

    A 50-year-old Watson man will be summonsed to face court on weapon offences following a search warrant on his house yesterday (Tuesday, October 28).

    General duties officers along with members of the Specialist Response and Security (SRS) team executed the warrant about 5.30am and seized several weapons along with a small amount of cannabis.

    The Watson man is expected to face the ACT Magistrates Court on a date yet to be fixed.

2. Here’s the official word on the burned out buses:

    ACT Policing is investigating two suspicious bus fires in Civic around 3.15am today (October 30).

    Police were notified by a member of the public of a bus on fire on the Glebe Park side of Akuna Street. On arrival, patrols found an interstate coach well alight and immediately cordoned off the area between Bunda and Ballumbir streets.

    Whilst maintaining the cordon, a second interstate coach parked with the first bus, caught fire. ACT Fire Brigade arrived shortly after and extinguished both fires.

    No persons were on the buses at the time of the fires.

    Initial assessment by police and fire investigators deemed the fires as suspicious.

    AFP Forensic Services are expected to attend the scene today (October 30). The cause of the fires is yet to be determined.

    Police are appealing for any witnesses who may have seen suspicious persons or activity in or around Akuna Street around 3.15am to contact Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000, or via the Crime Stoppers website on www.act.crimestoppers.com.au.

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Police Wrap – 30 October
caf 2:11 pm 30 Oct 08

In military terms, a WOFTAM.

johnboy 2:04 pm 30 Oct 08

And the crims end up all wearing hoodies and glasses and we’re back to square one at great expense.

harvyk1 2:00 pm 30 Oct 08

Since we are on the whole CCTV = nanny state argument.

Out in public I can have no expectation of privacy. Anyone can see me, anyone can listen in on my conversation, anyone can follow me and see where I’m going. This includes coppers without a warrant.

The arguments that anti CCTV groups are sprouting seem to be based more on “government control” than anything else. Now whilst I believe that governments of late haven’t done anything to make us trust them, and have been eroding our rights at whim under the “terrorists are bad” dogma, if they want to spy on you they are not going to bother relying on CCTV camera’s which may or may not track you, they are going to put hired goons onto you.

Skidbladnir 1:42 pm 30 Oct 08

Passive CCTV needs to achieve society-level-saturation to be as effective as London’s was.
Once they became ubiquitous, just network them and you have a very effective domestic surveillance tool, paid for by private firms, but with community privacy being sacrified early on to Help Fight Terrorism.

Once an idea like that gains some momentum, it becomes less and less about Privacy vs Security, and more about Freedom vs Control, and you have a spectacular nanny state.

tylersmayhem 1:34 pm 30 Oct 08

Passive CCTV is what I;m referring to Skid, which is what the majority of London’s network uses. It was invaluable when identifying the London Bombers, and their group during the investigation.

In the UK, CCTV is also responsible for evidence against a huge number of criminals.

I realise both the initial and on-going cost, but I think it would be a good investment.

Skidbladnir 1:02 pm 30 Oct 08

Public CCTV is either:

Active Security,
which is incredibly labour intensive (being only as good as the people watching, making and accurate judgement of what they are seing, dispatching an appropriate reaction to what they see, and either using speakers to tell them off, or getting the responding unit\s onsite in time)
or Passive Security,
which is only a deterrent for future crime, when news spreads that the collected footage gets used as evidenciary submission (provided the angles are good enough to show the act being committed, and the video quality high enough to prove identity beyond reasonable doubt, and if your video maintenance people 1) do regular checks to make sure it works, and 2)that archives are not easily ‘lost’ or ‘corrupted’).

Both would require large-scale deployment to be as useful across the CBD as those who advocate it want, which wouldn’t be cheap to install, let alone operate & maintain.
And you’d need some kind of body willing to investigate claims of abuse of the system, which currently doesn’t seem to happen in the ACT.

None would appeal to civil rights types, until they’re a victim.

johnboy 12:48 pm 30 Oct 08

The coverage area probably includes that end of city walk IIRC.

The problem is the maintenance contract never gets enforced so at any given time no-one knows what cameras are working.

Proper CCTV might work but this is Canberra.

tylersmayhem 12:44 pm 30 Oct 08

We have CCTV. It doesn’t work.

Yeah, but how much JB? Obviously not enough for any kind of footage to be caught of this bus fire. Because we have a handful of CCTV camera’s doesn’t mean “we have CCTV…it doesn’t work”.

peterh 12:24 pm 30 Oct 08

harvyk1 said :

peterh said :

tylersmayhem said :

When will we consider putting CCTV in and around Canberra FFS?!

when the “it’s an invasion of my privacy” brigade get mugged.

Can I do the mugging??? please please pick me to do the mugging….

It’s not like I’m worried about getting caught (lack of CCTV, even though it’s a public place) and if I do get caught it’s not like I was behind the wheel of a car, so I’ll probably be told I was very naughty and don’t do it again.

(Gee I have a positive view of law enforcement in this town)

LOL!

Jim Jones 12:20 pm 30 Oct 08

johnboy said :

We have CCTV.

It doesn’t work.

That’s an outrage. Everybody out to be locked up.

harvyk1 12:18 pm 30 Oct 08

peterh said :

tylersmayhem said :

When will we consider putting CCTV in and around Canberra FFS?!

when the “it’s an invasion of my privacy” brigade get mugged.

Can I do the mugging??? please please pick me to do the mugging….

It’s not like I’m worried about getting caught (lack of CCTV, even though it’s a public place) and if I do get caught it’s not like I was behind the wheel of a car, so I’ll probably be told I was very naughty and don’t do it again.

(Gee I have a positive view of law enforcement in this town)

johnboy 12:17 pm 30 Oct 08

We have CCTV.

It doesn’t work.

poptop 12:16 pm 30 Oct 08

When we want to sell the footage to cable television networks to incite tourism.

peterh 12:12 pm 30 Oct 08

tylersmayhem said :

When will we consider putting CCTV in and around Canberra FFS?!

when the “it’s an invasion of my privacy” brigade get mugged.

tylersmayhem 12:00 pm 30 Oct 08

When will we consider putting CCTV in and around Canberra FFS?!

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