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Police Wrap – 30 October

By johnboy 30 October 2008 39

1. Watson drugs and weapons:

    A 50-year-old Watson man will be summonsed to face court on weapon offences following a search warrant on his house yesterday (Tuesday, October 28).

    General duties officers along with members of the Specialist Response and Security (SRS) team executed the warrant about 5.30am and seized several weapons along with a small amount of cannabis.

    The Watson man is expected to face the ACT Magistrates Court on a date yet to be fixed.

2. Here’s the official word on the burned out buses:

    ACT Policing is investigating two suspicious bus fires in Civic around 3.15am today (October 30).

    Police were notified by a member of the public of a bus on fire on the Glebe Park side of Akuna Street. On arrival, patrols found an interstate coach well alight and immediately cordoned off the area between Bunda and Ballumbir streets.

    Whilst maintaining the cordon, a second interstate coach parked with the first bus, caught fire. ACT Fire Brigade arrived shortly after and extinguished both fires.

    No persons were on the buses at the time of the fires.

    Initial assessment by police and fire investigators deemed the fires as suspicious.

    AFP Forensic Services are expected to attend the scene today (October 30). The cause of the fires is yet to be determined.

    Police are appealing for any witnesses who may have seen suspicious persons or activity in or around Akuna Street around 3.15am to contact Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000, or via the Crime Stoppers website on www.act.crimestoppers.com.au.

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Jim Jones 2:32 pm 31 Oct 08

They can see you in your house if you don’t have curtains, surely.

tylersmayhem 2:10 pm 31 Oct 08

Don’t get me wrong, I don’t want to be watched inside my home

Good grief…why does more than one person seem to think that having CCTV would mean the ability to watch you inside your house?!

tylersmayhem 2:10 pm 31 Oct 08

Who was it directed Jimbo?! *chuckles*

Jim Jones 9:13 am 31 Oct 08

Meh, it’s easy to get confused … and I’m an angry douchebag with a chip on each shoulder anyway.

Skidbladnir 9:09 am 31 Oct 08

I noticedt hat one -after- I hit Post.
I leave a window open on RiotACT for tremendous periods, but prior to your ‘not directed at Skid’ they did seem to be just quoting bits of what I was saying out of context, and then ranting. 😛

I know this whole site isn’t about me, but nothing is ever perfect.

Jim Jones 8:49 am 31 Oct 08

“Jimbo, I wasn’t advocating societal-surveillance, which if you’d bothered to read my posts in this thread (instead of just picking bits you didn’t like the look of), you’d possibly have seen without needing it pointed out.”

Skid, with respect, it’s not all about you. You weren’t advocating societal-surveillance, but someone else was.

Please spare me the “if you’d bothered to read my posts in this thread” bit, I’d made it perfectly clear above that “My comments weren’t directed at Skid”.

deye 11:59 pm 30 Oct 08

tylersmayhem said :

And the crims end up all wearing hoodies and glasses and we’re back to square one at great expense.

…and with a wide enough network (London for instance), multiple CCTV camera’s track the crim’s movements using locations and time stamps to either a) when they take their disguise off, or b) when they hop in a car which has it’s number plates recorded, or c) until they are dumb enough to walk through their front door at home. All can and do lead to prosecutions.

As for the “nanny state” comments, if you are doing the right thing, abiding by the law and going about your business – what do you have to hide or be worried about? Nothing? If you are running around burning down buses, stabbing people, doing hit & runs etc, yes, be afraid…be very afraid.

Cameras aren’t going to do diddly squat to lower the crime rate eg: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7384843.stm
so what if they get seen, it will still be hard to actually identify them – especially at night. Even if they get caught not much is likely to happen to them for most crimes.

Maybe having more police and foot patrols would be a better deterrent, maybe not, it would still be a better way of spending the money. Heck if they had enough police maybe they could work on some of the smaller crimes like B&E of cars.

MWF 10:38 pm 30 Oct 08

The burned buses were transporting children on an excursion to Canberra. These children lost their: personal belongings; souvenirs; spending money and most likely the simple enjoyment of a school excursion away from Mum and Dad. They will be left with a foul taste of Canberra.

MWF 10:33 pm 30 Oct 08

johnboy said :

And the crims end up all wearing hoodies and glasses and we’re back to square one at great expense.

The crims already wear hoodies and glasses.

harvyk1 7:00 pm 30 Oct 08

Don’t get me wrong, I don’t want to be watched inside my home, or in any other place that I would have a reasonable expectation of privacy. The difference between a CCTV network like in London and what the Nazi’s \ Stalin \ insert name of other dictatorship here would have liked to do (if not did) is to put cameras in places where there is an real expectation of privacy.

Walking down the street, I can have no expectation of privacy. Anyone can look at me, anyone can legally follow me (not stalk, there is a difference) hell, they can even take my photo without asking my permission (thus the reason we have TT and ACA).

Whilst yes, the saying that libertarians keep throwing around of – if you give up a little liberty for security, you end up and deserve neither – doesn’t really apply here, because we are not giving up any liberty.

Skidbladnir 3:56 pm 30 Oct 08

Jimbo, I wasn’t advocating societal-surveillance, which if you’d bothered to read my posts in this thread (instead of just picking bits you didn’t like the look of), you’d possibly have seen without needing it pointed out.

To hopefully make it clearer to you:
Not all criticism is destructive, and RiotACT is nothing if not full of criticism.

I can probably make it even clearer for you still, but you probably wouldn’t like it, because I’d be using you as an example.

Jim Jones 3:45 pm 30 Oct 08

Yeah, and I acknowledge that the Stalin argument is lacking. My comments weren’t directed at Skid, and personally I don’t see anything wrong with the odd camera anyway – sadly, more often than not they’re useless. But a massive network of cameras (as has been proposed), on the other hand …

All of that said, it’s painfully clear that the argument “if you are doing the right thing, abiding by the law and going about your business – what do you have to hide or be worried about?” is absolutely ludicrous. There’s no justification for constant surveillance of the sort proposed here. Given the track record of organisations who put totalising systems of surveillance into practice there’s a hell of a lot to be worried about.

caf 3:28 pm 30 Oct 08

Read up Jim, Skidbladnir isn’t in favour of the proposal either, he’s just making the valid point that your Stalin argument is a bit lacking.

Jim Jones 3:06 pm 30 Oct 08

“Godwin and reductio ad Hitlerum are both immediate losses if used on a rational audience,”

Rational audience? Presumably you’re not referring to the idea that a network of cameras be installed that can track people wherever they go (‘to their front door’ was a phrase used early).

Do you really want any organisation (be it government or private) to have this sort of power? Haven’t you read any science fiction novels in the past 50 years or so?

caf 3:03 pm 30 Oct 08

Then I commend you for your commitment to a surveillance society (presuming, of course, that you don’t have blinds or drapes or similar either!).

Skidbladnir 3:03 pm 30 Oct 08

Godwin and reductio ad Hitlerum are both immediate losses if used on a rational audience, but help you carry the emotionally susceptible ones.

They are little more than scorched earth arguments.

Jim Jones 3:02 pm 30 Oct 08

Still, it’s nice to know that there are Utopians out there who are convinced that the way to make the world a better place is to install cameras everywhere, introduce mandatory sentencing and ensure that prisons are as brutal as possible.

Jim Jones 2:59 pm 30 Oct 08

“You were only 1610km from a Godwin Event, watch out.”

Bugger, I should have said “Hitler used to use this argument’. That would be factually untrue, but would have given me the reductio ad Hitlerum for the win.

tylersmayhem 2:54 pm 30 Oct 08

tylersmayhem: I presume you’ll be removing your curtains? After all, what do you have to hide?

I don’t have any curtains!

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