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Progress on the Richardson crash shrine.

By johnboy - 1 June 2009 114

Following on from the weekend’s big story on the Clift Crescent shrine in Richardson there’s been some movement on the subject of the Facebook group where regrettable things were said.

The group has now been made private and I’m told it’s been locked with the comments removed.

The two most outspoken commenters on that group have also made what I consider to be heartfelt apologies for their rash speaking.

Crystal Wheeler had this to say:

    Crystal Wheeler wrote
    at 8:27pm
    If people would read the comments being left at the following website http://the-riotact.com/?p=12271#comment-209136

    I agree with Brendan, we have all shown such an ugly side to ourselves, including myself. And this group is picking up attention for all the wrong reasons. We all say crude things when we are upset or angry but sometimes its those horrible words that stand out from all the good things.

    It is my understanding that the home owners are coming to agreements with the families. Sam and Karla if you could shed some light on that, it would be appreciated.

    As someone whos name has now been tainted along with many others including Brendan and Cory, I’m ashamed.
    I never joined this group to be looked down upon. And I feel terrible that I’ve lowered myself to that degree.
    Maybe if we all took a step back we’d remember what we’re here for, which is not slander and threats.

Cory Mckinnon went as far as to log on here to say this:

    #179 posted by cm
    (Newbie)
    16:23, 31 May 2009 edit
    Quote

    I refer to my early comment in which i stated that we should continue to put the memorial up and that someone should burn the home owners house down. A comment that was never intended as a threat nor an idea to be acted on, it has not been an easy time for any of us, nor the homeowner who we know assisted when the accident happened. I wrote the comment through severe frustration, only just hearing what had happened with the site. I now know the full story of what has happened and i applogise for such a stupid comment.

    We know now what the home owner has suggested for the site and i am sorry for commenting before i knew the full story .It is now clear that the story has turned into he said she said and become twisted along the way because nobody knew the truth.

    Can i just say that this has been blown out of preportion and taken way to far then it ever should have gone. People are still trying to wrap their heads around the fact that they have lost two close friends at the same time, little own its only been two months and the memorial of those two lives lost is already gone.For most if not all of Steve and Megans friends the crash site is part of our greiving process, some people need to remember that and think also how they would feel if roles were reversed.

    Cory

Brendan Bassett and Samantha Minney have also expressed sincere regret for the way things took off.

So I think it’s best if we all take a deep breathe, have a group hug, and move on.

And please stop sending angry emails to Samantha who, we should remember, has lost her sister.

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114 Responses to
Progress on the Richardson crash shrine.
ahappychappy 10:51 am 01 Jun 09

Skidbladnir said :

While it is very nice that they have realised that standing up in a crowd and saying “Lets burn down their house unless they agree with us!” to riotous applause may not be the wisest of moves, and a gain on the maturity front, in that they have apologised for allowing themselves to be wilfully misled…

A comment like:
…I refer to my early comment in which i stated that we should continue to put the memorial up and that someone should burn the home owners house down. A comment that was never intended as a threat nor an idea to be acted on…
is in line with saying “I will swing my fists in front of me and encourage others to do the same, while moving in your direction. If you get hit or feel that it threatens you, then that is your problem and no fault of mine.”

You may be 17 (I am guessing here) and think an apology in a similar online forum is enough to clear public opinion, but you have a lot to learn, and a lot further to go.
(ie: If I hear a comment from the homeowner is fine with what has happened and that both parties have settled greivances like adults, with no threats or fear of retribution, and that their children are suffering no lasting social effect, I will be satisfied. Otherwise, Mr & Mrs Homeowner deserve better, seeing as you were trying to incite a crowd to intimidate them through fear of violence, and destroy their property.)

Why should this young male have to justify himself more than what he has already done to you or anyone else other than the homeowner? He has already shown enough maturity to admit he was immature and reacted out of passion/anger, and he admitted his wrongs where he was under the most scrutiny of all. How can you now judge whether that is enough or not? I don’t see any of the forementioned people apologising for overreacting and posting peoples personal details in a defamatory measure? Even then using your logic only the people they named would be able to accept their apology.

I don’t believe this issue will just disappear as it is no longer about the site in question but about the way people of the public (both on Riot-ACT and on the facebook petition) carried on and made a fuss. Posters on BOTH sites are in the wrong. Not just the one!

Jim Jones 10:49 am 01 Jun 09

Thumper said :

Why do I get the feeling that this issue is not going to simply fade away and die a natural death?

If it does die a natural death, can we have a memorial for it?

Thumper 10:41 am 01 Jun 09

Why do I get the feeling that this issue is not going to simply fade away and die a natural death?

Skidbladnir 10:38 am 01 Jun 09

While it is very nice that they have realised that standing up in a crowd and saying “Lets burn down their house unless they agree with us!” to riotous applause may not be the wisest of moves, and a gain on the maturity front, in that they have apologised for allowing themselves to be wilfully misled…

A comment like:
…I refer to my early comment in which i stated that we should continue to put the memorial up and that someone should burn the home owners house down. A comment that was never intended as a threat nor an idea to be acted on…
is in line with saying “I will swing my fists in front of me and encourage others to do the same, while moving in your direction. If you get hit or feel that it threatens you, then that is your problem and no fault of mine.”

You may be 17 (I am guessing here) and think an apology in a similar online forum is enough to clear public opinion, but you have a lot to learn, and a lot further to go.
(ie: If I hear a comment from the homeowner is fine with what has happened and that both parties have settled greivances like adults, with no threats or fear of retribution, and that their children are suffering no lasting social effect, I will be satisfied. Otherwise, Mr & Mrs Homeowner deserve better, seeing as you were trying to incite a crowd to intimidate them through fear of violence, and destroy their property.)

ahappychappy 10:37 am 01 Jun 09

Well seeing as I’m no longer able to comment on the previous thread after my two posts (not quite sure why, maybe moderation got the best of me), I figured I’d place my responses here.

Davo111 – “Who said anyone would be forwarding this to recruitment teams in the ACT? The names would be posted here.” You’ve addressed that post to HR Recruitment Personnel. I therefore assumed that this meant you were using the post as a draft, with the intent to forward them the list. If that assumption is wrong, then I apologise, however I still believe posting it here is still the wrong thing to do.

Ari – There’s always one who decides to again [after the questioning the responsibility in posting peoples full names and other personal details (such as car registration and employment details)], who decides to push the point. I think you’re coming REALLY close to the fine line of personal privacy. Sure, it is a public website with public comments, however that in no way allows you to post their details in a derogatory and defamatory way on a different public website for all to see. Just because some of the posts in question on that facebook site have been moderated and removed, does not mean that because certain posts still remain that they are speaking for, and welcomed by, all the members of this petition. If that was the case, read the posts at the top of the page, not the bottom.

Pommy bastard – Many of the people who signed for this petition still believe in the cause, and signed up to it before the hate filled taunts and messages began. I also know that the description of the group was added after it already had a large following. Does this mean that because a minority of people within a group are vocal and doing the wrong thing the whole group should be punished? Why not punish all the Muslims in the world with your generalisations while you are at it. If you do believe that the minority of people should be heard, read the multiple recent posts by more mature young individuals and post them here, as there is also a minority talking properly and respectfully within the majority of people who have no knowledge of this issue.

I think that all parties involved (including myself and the other posters here on Riot-ACT) need to take a step back and realise that this issue was blown out of proportion due to misinformed people throwing their two cents in. I’m glad that the petition has been removed, as much as I still support the cause, as it was causing too many problems that were not forseen by such young individuals. I also believe that some of the people here on Riot-ACT need to realise that they were also acting immaturely, and need to move on with a lesson learnt. As of course, we all here SHOULD be more mature and professional in portraying our beliefs, than a group of young emotional teenagers and young adults.

I hope to think that there wasn’t a goal to scare anyone into submission, and if this IS the case then Johnboy you are NO better than this facebook group everyone has been complaining about. Nearly all the complaints about the group were justified by stating that the group was trying to bully, and intimidate the homeowners. Is there then any difference between the two websites? Of course, one is a group of young individuals trying to “intimidate” the homeowners by the use of threats and abuse, but the other is a group of individuals that showed almost the same amount of maturity as the first, which tryed to “intimidate” the other by naming parties innocent and not involved in the issue, with the intent to damage their credentials as shown by the letter header addressed to HR Personnel.

I think it is only fair now, for a nice big group hug as suggested, the moderation of all posts with personal details here on Riot-ACT in the original thread, and a few beers after such a heated and passionate discussion.

damnintellectuals 10:34 am 01 Jun 09

“And please stop sending angry emails to Samantha who, we should remember, has lost her sister.”

Yeah, and who help incite that? Shouldn’t you post the names of the people who have been sending angry emails to the victim’s sister?

johnboy said :

More that once there were no longer incitements to hatred and violence against the poor homeowner the issue was moot. That was all I wanted. Many thanks to Brendan and Samantha.[/quote>

What about the other 1,394 “angry youngsters threatening to (amongst other things) burn down the house of the family who tried to save their friends lives”?

Ozhair 10:28 am 01 Jun 09

Actually, I think Johnboy achieved what was probably his desired goal; putting a scare into those involved with the FB group. Hopefully they’ll all be more careful about what they say in a public forum in future, and what groups they associate their names with.

johnboy 10:26 am 01 Jun 09

thelozenger said :

Changed your tune now, haven’t you johnboy?
Once you couldn’t access the group, and realised how wrong it was to name innocent people you did a backflip.

More that once there were no longer incitements to hatred and violence against the poor homeowner the issue was moot. That was all I wanted. Many thanks to Brendan and Samantha.

thelozenger 10:23 am 01 Jun 09

Changed your tune now, haven’t you johnboy?
Once you couldn’t access the group, and realised how wrong it was to name innocent people you did a backflip.

Sammy 10:21 am 01 Jun 09

Wow, a surprising amount of maturity has emerged.

Inappropriate 10:16 am 01 Jun 09

Glad to see the aforementioned people have made some personal growth.

vg 10:09 am 01 Jun 09

Sounds like a couple of people who’ve discovered the meaning of the word ‘ramifications’.

Clown Killer 10:01 am 01 Jun 09

Sounds like a sensible outcome for all involved.

pptvb 10:00 am 01 Jun 09

Well resolved.

Woody Mann-Caruso 9:56 am 01 Jun 09

Well said.

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