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Providing number plate for paid parking – is it compulsory?

By Mattenagger 6 August 2015 36

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Just wondering if you can legally be fined for inputting an incorrect number plate when paying for parking.

The Wilson long-stay carpark behind the Civic police station makes you enter your number plate when you purchase a ticket. I presume this is to stop people handing their ticket to someone else when they happen to leave before their time is up.

I’ve not been fined nor do I know anyone who has for not putting the correct licence plate details in. They do show up on the ticket though for displaying on your dashboard.

Is it legal to fine someone in this way?

What’s Your opinion?


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Dreadnaught1905 11:17 am 04 Dec 15

toadstool said :

I note that paid parking was introduced at John James Hospital … Where is the justification for this except a money grab? …

It’s an interesting situation. The John James Foundation owns the land and the buildings. The hospital business is run by Calvary Private Healthcare Canberra Limited. The parking then, would seem to be run by the John James Foundation, rather than the healthcare provider.

Both organisations are not-for-profit companies. Does their status as a charitable organisation mean that they should consider not making money from their ‘customers’ (patients) in every way possible?

Should a not-for-profit business be run as any other company that is in the business of making money, with the distinguishing factor being the non-distribution of profits; or should it be required to actually ensure that its business practices align with its mission and vision?

I don’t know the answers to the above questions, but I do know that irritating your customers, no matter what the business, does not make the best business sense.

If the only reason for implementing pay parking was to stop non-patients from parking there, then there must be a better way to do it. If the paid parking was introduced to create a new revenue stream for the Foundation, then that should be explained and outlined in their annual report – with appropriate justifications.

In either case, for a foundation whose aims include ‘the relief of suffering’, they appear to be causing a fair bit of it in their car-park.

JC 11:07 am 04 Dec 15

JC said :

toadstool said :

I note that paid parking was introduced at John James Hospital to stop people parking there all day from other businesses so patients and visitors can get a spot. If this is the case why didn’t they make the first hour free as a good proportion of visitors to the hospital are there for short appointments. I also notice that paid parking is 24/7, not just daytime business hours. Where is the justification for this except a money grab? Most of the visitors to the hospital are sick, injured, elderly, pregnant, or carrying a baby. These people have to walk from their car, line up (sometimes across the carpark driveway obstructing traffic), buy a ticket, walk back to their car, walk back to the hospital door. On a busy day this could take 10 minutes or more, longer if you’re juggling a sick toddler. The same situation applies to the nearby John James Medical Centre and Canberra Specialist Centre carparks. I think its ludicrous and hospital management need to rethink how this has been implemented.

toadstool said :

I note that paid parking was introduced at John James Hospital to stop people parking there all day from other businesses so patients and visitors can get a spot. If this is the case why didn’t they make the first hour free as a good proportion of visitors to the hospital are there for short appointments. I also notice that paid parking is 24/7, not just daytime business hours. Where is the justification for this except a money grab? Most of the visitors to the hospital are sick, injured, elderly, pregnant, or carrying a baby. These people have to walk from their car, line up (sometimes across the carpark driveway obstructing traffic), buy a ticket, walk back to their car, walk back to the hospital door. On a busy day this could take 10 minutes or more, longer if you’re juggling a sick toddler. The same situation applies to the nearby John James Medical Centre and Canberra Specialist Centre carparks. I think its ludicrous and hospital management need to rethink how this has been implemented.

You have said it all though expect some derision from some on this thread.

You talking about me?

Actually agree, it is crazy but last line says it all, it is a hospital management issue. Have an issue raise it with them, or raise it with organisations such as Canberra Imaging who are co-located on the site. That said the cost is SFA, wish I could park for $1p/h instead of what I get charged.

And PS, first 3 hours wouldn’t really work. Most of the people who park there and go elsewhere are only a couple of hours anyway.

JC 11:06 am 04 Dec 15

toadstool said :

I note that paid parking was introduced at John James Hospital to stop people parking there all day from other businesses so patients and visitors can get a spot. If this is the case why didn’t they make the first hour free as a good proportion of visitors to the hospital are there for short appointments. I also notice that paid parking is 24/7, not just daytime business hours. Where is the justification for this except a money grab? Most of the visitors to the hospital are sick, injured, elderly, pregnant, or carrying a baby. These people have to walk from their car, line up (sometimes across the carpark driveway obstructing traffic), buy a ticket, walk back to their car, walk back to the hospital door. On a busy day this could take 10 minutes or more, longer if you’re juggling a sick toddler. The same situation applies to the nearby John James Medical Centre and Canberra Specialist Centre carparks. I think its ludicrous and hospital management need to rethink how this has been implemented.

toadstool said :

I note that paid parking was introduced at John James Hospital to stop people parking there all day from other businesses so patients and visitors can get a spot. If this is the case why didn’t they make the first hour free as a good proportion of visitors to the hospital are there for short appointments. I also notice that paid parking is 24/7, not just daytime business hours. Where is the justification for this except a money grab? Most of the visitors to the hospital are sick, injured, elderly, pregnant, or carrying a baby. These people have to walk from their car, line up (sometimes across the carpark driveway obstructing traffic), buy a ticket, walk back to their car, walk back to the hospital door. On a busy day this could take 10 minutes or more, longer if you’re juggling a sick toddler. The same situation applies to the nearby John James Medical Centre and Canberra Specialist Centre carparks. I think its ludicrous and hospital management need to rethink how this has been implemented.

You have said it all though expect some derision from some on this thread.

You talking about me?

Actually agree, it is crazy but last line says it all, it is a hospital management issue. Have an issue raise it with them, or raise it with organisations such as Canberra Imaging who are co-located on the site. That said the cost is SFA, wish I could park for $1p/h instead of what I get charged.

dungfungus 7:00 pm 03 Dec 15

toadstool said :

I note that paid parking was introduced at John James Hospital to stop people parking there all day from other businesses so patients and visitors can get a spot. If this is the case why didn’t they make the first hour free as a good proportion of visitors to the hospital are there for short appointments. I also notice that paid parking is 24/7, not just daytime business hours. Where is the justification for this except a money grab? Most of the visitors to the hospital are sick, injured, elderly, pregnant, or carrying a baby. These people have to walk from their car, line up (sometimes across the carpark driveway obstructing traffic), buy a ticket, walk back to their car, walk back to the hospital door. On a busy day this could take 10 minutes or more, longer if you’re juggling a sick toddler. The same situation applies to the nearby John James Medical Centre and Canberra Specialist Centre carparks. I think its ludicrous and hospital management need to rethink how this has been implemented.

You have said it all though expect some derision from some on this thread.

toadstool 1:19 pm 03 Dec 15

I note that paid parking was introduced at John James Hospital to stop people parking there all day from other businesses so patients and visitors can get a spot. If this is the case why didn’t they make the first hour free as a good proportion of visitors to the hospital are there for short appointments. I also notice that paid parking is 24/7, not just daytime business hours. Where is the justification for this except a money grab? Most of the visitors to the hospital are sick, injured, elderly, pregnant, or carrying a baby. These people have to walk from their car, line up (sometimes across the carpark driveway obstructing traffic), buy a ticket, walk back to their car, walk back to the hospital door. On a busy day this could take 10 minutes or more, longer if you’re juggling a sick toddler. The same situation applies to the nearby John James Medical Centre and Canberra Specialist Centre carparks. I think its ludicrous and hospital management need to rethink how this has been implemented.

dungfungus 8:20 am 03 Dec 15

JC said :

dungfungus said :

JC said :

miz said :

Yes I think non-pro-rata parking is a scam and a rip off, and this government is demonstrably avaricious.

It has nothing to do with the government. Wilson partrol private carparks where that the owner has contracted Wilson. Have an issue write to the owner or park in a government carpark where it is pro-rata.

I think the point being made was paid parking at a hospital/health services site was the issue.
Previously, the parking at the Deakin hospital was free with time limits.
You may recall that when the multi story car park was commissioned at TCH it was to be paid parking.
That was poison for the government and it quickly changed to free with time limits.
If it is OK for no paid parking at the public hospital then it should be the same at a private one.
It will be interesting to see what happens when the new car park at Calvary opens.

Totally irrelevant argument. Simple fact is John James Hospital is a private carpark and the owners can do what they like.Though frankly $1 seems very very very reasonable. But yeah I know you expect everything to be laid on for free because you pay your $250 per year rego fee.

And what happened/happens at Woden has nothing to do with it. That is a government owned carpark.

As for Calvary at Bruce, that is a government hospital (with a private section) that is operated by a private company. Its quite a complex arrangement, but the carpark is being funded by the government on government land, so a different situation to John James.

Though it is being built with paid parking in mind, but government has made it clear that both Woden and Calvary Bruce will have the same parking policies.

You omitted to say: “go to your homes and await instructions”

JC 12:17 am 03 Dec 15

dungfungus said :

JC said :

miz said :

Yes I think non-pro-rata parking is a scam and a rip off, and this government is demonstrably avaricious.

It has nothing to do with the government. Wilson partrol private carparks where that the owner has contracted Wilson. Have an issue write to the owner or park in a government carpark where it is pro-rata.

I think the point being made was paid parking at a hospital/health services site was the issue.
Previously, the parking at the Deakin hospital was free with time limits.
You may recall that when the multi story car park was commissioned at TCH it was to be paid parking.
That was poison for the government and it quickly changed to free with time limits.
If it is OK for no paid parking at the public hospital then it should be the same at a private one.
It will be interesting to see what happens when the new car park at Calvary opens.

Totally irrelevant argument. Simple fact is John James Hospital is a private carpark and the owners can do what they like.Though frankly $1 seems very very very reasonable. But yeah I know you expect everything to be laid on for free because you pay your $250 per year rego fee.

And what happened/happens at Woden has nothing to do with it. That is a government owned carpark.

As for Calvary at Bruce, that is a government hospital (with a private section) that is operated by a private company. Its quite a complex arrangement, but the carpark is being funded by the government on government land, so a different situation to John James.

Though it is being built with paid parking in mind, but government has made it clear that both Woden and Calvary Bruce will have the same parking policies.

dungfungus 3:00 pm 02 Dec 15

Holden Caulfield said :

So what’s the view of the National Portrait Gallery parking system which scans your number plate as you enter and even says goodbye with your number plate displayed on the screen at the boom gate as you leave?

Wow, you have actually found a car park in there?

dungfungus 2:58 pm 02 Dec 15

JC said :

miz said :

Yes I think non-pro-rata parking is a scam and a rip off, and this government is demonstrably avaricious.

It has nothing to do with the government. Wilson partrol private carparks where that the owner has contracted Wilson. Have an issue write to the owner or park in a government carpark where it is pro-rata.

I think the point being made was paid parking at a hospital/health services site was the issue.
Previously, the parking at the Deakin hospital was free with time limits.
You may recall that when the multi story car park was commissioned at TCH it was to be paid parking.
That was poison for the government and it quickly changed to free with time limits.
If it is OK for no paid parking at the public hospital then it should be the same at a private one.
It will be interesting to see what happens when the new car park at Calvary opens.

TuggLife 1:59 pm 02 Dec 15

miz said :

I was particularly shocked about the existence of pay parking in the parking area outside the Tuggeranong Health Services/Walk In Centre, which is disgraceful. I imagine it is no different in other town centres. Surely there should be a voucher system for health patients and their carers, as you never know how long you are going to be. But that would be too sensible.

I imagine it’s to stop people using that car park all day while they’re at the Hyperdome/college/work etc.

2 hours free parking is available at the Hyperdome across the road – I’ll usually park there if I’m going to the health centre. The boom gates there are helpful if my appointment runs late – I’m only going to have to pay $2-4, rather than risking a more expensive fine.

It doesn’t seem to make sense that those who can’t walk the distance from the Hyperdome carpark are those who have to pay for parking while the Hyperdome owners provide/maintain a free parking space for people like me to access a public health facility.

Holden Caulfield 12:55 pm 02 Dec 15

So what’s the view of the National Portrait Gallery parking system which scans your number plate as you enter and even says goodbye with your number plate displayed on the screen at the boom gate as you leave?

JC 10:36 am 02 Dec 15

miz said :

Yes I think non-pro-rata parking is a scam and a rip off, and this government is demonstrably avaricious.

It has nothing to do with the government. Wilson partrol private carparks where that the owner has contracted Wilson. Have an issue write to the owner or park in a government carpark where it is pro-rata.

miz 7:44 am 02 Dec 15

Yes I think non-pro-rata parking is a scam and a rip off, and this government is demonstrably avaricious.
The govt obviously wants to ‘change our behaviour’ – but what this actually means when you drill down is that people who can least afford it are being disadvantaged as Dungers describes, and/or are choosing to socialise (if you can afford to do so) at places without punitive parking regimes, e.g. going to a pub, restaurant, cinema or supermarket at a more friendly and welcoming shopping centre instead of Civic.
I was particularly shocked about the existence of pay parking in the parking area outside the Tuggeranong Health Services/Walk In Centre, which is disgraceful. I imagine it is no different in other town centres. Surely there should be a voucher system for health patients and their carers, as you never know how long you are going to be. But that would be too sensible.

rommeldog56 9:49 pm 01 Dec 15

dungfungus said :

Wilson Parking are making my life a misery.
They have now extended their business into the John James Deakin Hospital area where I had to take a friend yesterday for some post cancer check-ups.
The voucher dispensing machines are slow and not user friendly, especially if the user is tall and can’t bend over. The key pad isn’t angled either. I would not like to be in the queue when it is raining.
They also demand the rego number of the vehicle which I am sure is an invasion of privacy as an electronic record is created and stored with no explanation as to who can access the information.
The real stinger is the flat minimum charge of $1.00 for 1 hour. I put $1.00 in as the procedure my friend was having usually takes about 30 -45 minutes. Yesterday it took a little longer so I had to put in another dollar even though the friend was finished there just 5 minutes later.
Why can’t there be pro-rata charging as there is almost everywhere else?
During the 1 hour and 5 minutes I was there the Wilson parking inspector turned up and parked his car in the pick-up and set-down section for an hour. What arrogance!
Yesterday evening I went to The Palace and parked underneath (Wilson again) and ahd the ticket validated by the theatre but the machine charged the full amount. This led to several discussions with the theatre management and the parking company via their audio on the parking machine and the exit boom gate but no refund. To get a refund one has to scan the parking voucher and send it by email to Wilson Parking in Sydney (they don’t have an office in Canberra). That is an ongoing matter to get back my $2.
Today I had to return to John James and pay another dollar to spend 5 minutes to collect the medical test results.
I thought it was bad for me and all the other visitors but I learn now that staff there have to pay $40 a week to park at their workplace.
A pox on the government for letting this monster into Canberra.

Relax Dungers – take a chill pill. Its all all right ’cause pretty soon u will be able to get a bus/tram/bus to do your business – there will be no need to drive. Either that, or Wilson will be given the task to making all ACT roads, toll roads. Come to think of it – I think I heard somewhere that the Feds were looking at something like that + the ACT Gov’t is apparently looking at charging car rego by the numbers of Ks travelled (or something similar).

If/when all that happens, your current experiences with Wilson parking will be a comparative fond memory…..

dungfungus 6:33 pm 01 Dec 15

Wilson Parking are making my life a misery.
They have now extended their business into the John James Deakin Hospital area where I had to take a friend yesterday for some post cancer check-ups.
The voucher dispensing machines are slow and not user friendly, especially if the user is tall and can’t bend over. The key pad isn’t angled either. I would not like to be in the queue when it is raining.
They also demand the rego number of the vehicle which I am sure is an invasion of privacy as an electronic record is created and stored with no explanation as to who can access the information.
The real stinger is the flat minimum charge of $1.00 for 1 hour. I put $1.00 in as the procedure my friend was having usually takes about 30 -45 minutes. Yesterday it took a little longer so I had to put in another dollar even though the friend was finished there just 5 minutes later.
Why can’t there be pro-rata charging as there is almost everywhere else?
During the 1 hour and 5 minutes I was there the Wilson parking inspector turned up and parked his car in the pick-up and set-down section for an hour. What arrogance!
Yesterday evening I went to The Palace and parked underneath (Wilson again) and ahd the ticket validated by the theatre but the machine charged the full amount. This led to several discussions with the theatre management and the parking company via their audio on the parking machine and the exit boom gate but no refund. To get a refund one has to scan the parking voucher and send it by email to Wilson Parking in Sydney (they don’t have an office in Canberra). That is an ongoing matter to get back my $2.
Today I had to return to John James and pay another dollar to spend 5 minutes to collect the medical test results.
I thought it was bad for me and all the other visitors but I learn now that staff there have to pay $40 a week to park at their workplace.
A pox on the government for letting this monster into Canberra.

dungfungus 9:52 pm 11 Aug 15

dungfungus said :

JC said :

dungfungus said :

Dame Canberra said :

An interesting development: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-06/canberra-drivers-information-protected-under-new-parking-law/6677590

It’s hard to work out what actually is happening.
Earlier this year I received a parking infringement from Wilson regarding an alleged parking offence in the Parliamentary Triangle area (where there previously no paid parking).
The signs there did not clearly indicate it was now a paid parking area so I phoned ACT Parking Operations to seek advice and I was bluntly told the area I parked in was no longer owned by the Territory and I should contact the National Capital Authority which I did.
They directed me to their website where I completed an online challenge against the infringement based on the fact that the signs did not indicate it was a paid parking area.
Three months later my wife, who is the registered owner of the car I was using at the time, received a letter from the ACT Government (not Wilson or the NCA) to say the fine had been waived acknowledging that the signage was deficient.
So, the ACT Government can access registered owner details but no one else can or so it appears. It’s still a mystery as to how the ACT Government got involved anyway given the initial advice I was given.
One thing is certain as that is that there are some people in the Government who vehemently oppose Wilson’s wheel clamping and tow-away threats that they use in other States & Territories.

Wilson don’t patrol the Parliamentary triangle, though they do run some carparks inside a few hotels, but they are INSIDE behind boom gates. The triangle is done by the NCA themselves.

Suggest you check out Burbury Close in Barton first then report back to me.

This will save you a trip to Barton but you can still report back to me:
https://www.wilsonparking.com.au/park/2256_Burbury-Close-Car-Park_Burbury-Close-Barton

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