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Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

By johnboy - 10 December 2008 23

Since Plato’s day (~400BC) the regulation of police forces has been on the public record as a vexed issue. It was probably a problem long before that.

The Canberra Times reports that more Australian Federal Police were caught being bad in the last reporting period (2007/8) than the one before that. 295 up from 92.

This is from a slightly smaller number of complaints.

It could be they’ve gotten better at exposing their own misconduct, or it could be there is more misconduct.

What’s Your opinion?


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23 Responses to
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
DJ 1:48 pm 10 Dec 08

farq said :

jakez said :

If people make 10000 complaints and only 100 are substantiated, that doesn’t diminish the importance of the 100.

And what percentage of the 10000 complaints are valid, but can not be proved? Too many.

Based on what? Nothing.

ant 1:44 pm 10 Dec 08

DJ said

DJ said :

A favorite topic from JB…

In fact, posting anything about the AFP here is clearly trolling the police and therefore JB should be instantly put into Moderation.

And if he happens to suffer a few bumps there, well, there’s a complaints process.

Deadmandrinking 1:33 pm 10 Dec 08

How many officers are in the AFP?

I don’t think there’s enough for a number of confirmed complaints this high to be attributed to just a few bad eggs…

jakez 1:24 pm 10 Dec 08

DJ said :

No, not in the slightest and I would expect every complaint to be taken seriously, however, wouldn’t you question the reason for so many complaints that are not found to have any basis or merit?

…I dunno, perhaps the cops are natural targets for frivolous complaints. Perhaps some are real issues that have been swept under the rug. Perhaps it’s a combination of those two and possibly some other reasons.

farq 1:24 pm 10 Dec 08

jakez said :

If people make 10000 complaints and only 100 are substantiated, that doesn’t diminish the importance of the 100.

And what percentage of the 10000 complaints are valid, but can not be proved? Too many.

DJ 1:08 pm 10 Dec 08

Your stats are no doubt correct however I was recalling your passionate stand regarding this subject (quality v quantity)… as for the Canberra Crimes, well, who knows what theme they dance to from day to day?

johnboy 1:05 pm 10 Dec 08

DJ said :

A favorite topic from JB… I doubt that the mountain of complaints that were found to be unsubstantiated will be focused on at all – or why so many complaints were made in the first place. The other thing that will be overlooked is the comparison between other Police forces… or the fact the figures relate to the whole country and not just Police in Canberra.

15,000 odd articles and no more than 100 on this.

And you do know the Canberra Times doesn’t dance to my supposed “cop-hating” tune?

DJ 1:02 pm 10 Dec 08

Beginning to get air time? Please, it always has been available except the knockers and anti-police folk out there always whinge that it isn’t because it is easier to complain than do a little searching for public information.

Hdopler 12:59 pm 10 Dec 08

at least the issue is beginning to get so air-time so to speak… maybe there is hope for the ‘force’ after-all…

DJ 12:41 pm 10 Dec 08

No, not in the slightest and I would expect every complaint to be taken seriously, however, wouldn’t you question the reason for so many complaints that are not found to have any basis or merit?

jakez 12:35 pm 10 Dec 08

If people make 10000 complaints and only 100 are substantiated, that doesn’t diminish the importance of the 100.

DJ 12:04 pm 10 Dec 08

A favorite topic from JB… I doubt that the mountain of complaints that were found to be unsubstantiated will be focused on at all – or why so many complaints were made in the first place. The other thing that will be overlooked is the comparison between other Police forces… or the fact the figures relate to the whole country and not just Police in Canberra.

jakez 11:38 am 10 Dec 08

farq said :

Let’s hope that they are getting better at exposing their own misconduct.

In most situations it’s unreasonably hard to prove misconduct, ‘His word against mine’. It is scary that this many could be substantiated.

Indeed.

farq 10:58 am 10 Dec 08

Let’s hope that they are getting better at exposing their own misconduct.

In most situations it’s unreasonably hard to prove misconduct, ‘His word against mine’. It is scary that this many could be substantiated.

fnaah 10:38 am 10 Dec 08

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

oblig. Simpsons quote:

“I dunno. Coast Guard?”

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