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Richardson roadside shrine removed – Good or bad thing?

By johnboy 31 May 2009 340

[First filed: May 29, 2009 @ 11:22]

At the end of March there was a double fatality on Clift Crescent in Richardson made particularly tragic by the youth of the victims Steven Rial, 20, and Megan Minney, 17.

The Canberra Times today reports that the roadside shrine which accreted at the scene of the accident has been removed by city rangers at the request of Roads ACT.

(Apparently the family were supposed to be consulted, but would we expect the ACT Government to get that right?)

In this post religious age are these shrines the only way forward for shared community grief? Or just an ugly eyesore? How long should they be tolerated?

I vaguely recall a plan for red and black roadside poles to symbolise crashes (red for injury, black for fatalities) but it seems that fell out of favour (perhaps for making it too easy for the public to see points of consistent failure in our roads?).

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UPDATED: The whole thing has taken an interesting twist with a very angry Facebook group forming, and (at the time of writing) 1,396 angry youngsters threatening to (amongst other things) burn down the house of the family who tried to save their friends lives:

    Cory Mckinnon wrote
    at 9:11pm on May 27th, 2009
    if they take it down… then we will just have to keep puttin it up untill they get it throgh there thick f***in heads… or mabye we should just burn there f***in house down

This morning saner voices are starting to be heard on the group’s wall and it appears a compromise has been reached for the cross to be placed across the road.

I’m personally intrigued by all the saloon bar lawyers angrily debating points of law invoking a local council of which I was previously unaware.

FURTHER UPDATE: The homeowner involved has weighed in with a comment I think deserves elevation from the comments section:

    #141 posted by homeowner
    (Newbie)
    11:39, 31 May 2009

    As I stated in my comment on facebook I thought I had an understanding with the father’s of both Meagan and Steve about all this but obviously not. I never once siad there could not be a memorial at all. I just didn’t want crosses and large photo’s of the kids that my family had to look at every day. We don’t need that. I said I would clean up dead flowers as needed and that they could even mount the plaques on the wall of my garden bed. After what our family has been through the last few days with people driving past blasting horns and yelling abuse that these people never have to experiance this. Thankyou to those that can at least understand my side of this even if no one else does.

Chin up homeowner. I think you’ll find the vast majority of the population is now on your side.

I’d like to suggest that readers who have teenagers make a careful check of the facebook group to make sure their little darlings aren’t involved. If you know someone with teenagers maybe pass the word on to them?

ANOTHER UPDATE: There is something I can do directly so here it goes. At 12 noon tomorrow, 1 June, I’m going to take down the names of all the members of the facebook group and record them here. Let googling future employers make of that what they will. Parents are well advised to do some parenting and the more thoughtful facebookers might want to reconsider their membership of what was well intentioned, but has turned into a lynch mob.

FINAL UPDATE: The matter of the facebook group now appears to have been resolved. You can read more about it here.

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Pandy 2:48 pm 11 Jul 09

Saw that too.

Anna Key 2:22 pm 11 Jul 09

Interesting and tragic story in today’s Herald Sun about these shrines

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,25763192-661,00.html

Tragically, a memorial of flowers and photos set up after four young people died in a horror smash at the intersection of Hallam and Ormond Rds, Lynbrook, may have contributed to her death.

Witnesses said they saw Ms I’Anson’s car idling just metres from the memorial before she drove head on into an oncoming truck and died at the scene.

Soon after, police and VicRoads employees removed the floral tributes.

Acting Inspector Jeff Smith said he suspected the “over-the-top” memorial could have distracted the young woman.

“We suspect that the amount of tributes at the intersection has distracted the deceased driver and she’s pulled into the path of the truck,” he said.

BerraBoy68 8:46 am 05 Jun 09

Clown Killer said :

I saw that article too Peter (as I was popping the Chronicle into the bottom of the cat litter tray). I particularly liked the way that the homeowner was consistently reffered to as the “complainig resident”. The whol think was a beat up, but I guess that it goes some way to explainging some of the carrying on of late – with the print media blowing sunshine up their butts it’d be hard to not start believing in your own overblown sence of entitlement.

The Chronicle is always a week late with the news. Anyhoo, the best bit of it is the TV guide.

Clown Killer 8:41 am 05 Jun 09

I saw that article too Peter (as I was popping the Chronicle into the bottom of the cat litter tray). I particularly liked the way that the homeowner was consistently reffered to as the “complainig resident”. The whol think was a beat up, but I guess that it goes some way to explainging some of the carrying on of late – with the print media blowing sunshine up their butts it’d be hard to not start believing in your own overblown sence of entitlement.

peterh 7:53 am 05 Jun 09

Die Lefty Scum said :

Woody Mann-Caruso said :

I don’t know who are bigger w.nkers – the people getting carried away on the Facebook site, or the impotent school prefects on this site so keen to take names.

Good call Woody. At least the morons on the Facebook site have youthful naivety as an excuse.

and then, when it looked as if this had settled down, the southside chronicle has waded in with an article titled “Two Families united in Grief”. The article calls the homeowner a resident, and claims that they had complained to roads act for the memorial to be removed. This we already know. The spin in the article says nothing about who the resident was – indeed, the role that they had played in trying to save these kids, or the fact that it really got out of hand re the opinion of the friends of the victims, or the facebook group, or the nasty things that were said towards the homeowner. Now, i know a bit about both sides of this story via riotact, and the facebook page. it is a shame that the southside chronicle doesn’t.

misspris 3:56 pm 01 Jun 09

Die Lefty Scum said :

Whatsup said :

Gloria Jeans is a franchise that is often owned by some local people, I have friends that own one in the Sydney suburbs. The head company is owned by a couple in Sydney. The confusion up often happens because Gloria Jeans sponsors the Hillsong Church amongst other organiszations and gets the acknowledgement / advertising that comes as a result.

Gloria Jean’s Coffees is an Australian Owned Company, headed by Jireh International. [4] Nabi Saleh and Peter Irvine are prominent, active members of Hillsong Church.[5]

Gloria Jean’s Coffees does sponsor many Hillsong-related initiatives such as Mercy Ministries, a pro-life anti-gay charity that claims to help women who are pregnant, have drug issues, or eating disorders.[6][7][8] “Gloria Jean’s Coffees chose to support Mercy Ministries because there is a need in Australia for a dedicated charity that helps women with these difficult issues,” said Peter Irvine, Co-Founder of Gloria Jean’s Coffees”[9] Gloria Jean’s Coffees has stated it is not intending to change its funding arrangements of Mercy Ministries, despite recent allegations that Mercy Ministries removes its charges from proven medical therapies and puts them in the hands of amateur counselors who employ techniques including exorcisms.[10]

From wikipedia (yeah yeah I know), but it’s enough for me to give it the big fat swerve. I’d like to see Hill$ong burned down instead of those poor old people’s place in Richardson.

Pro-life – probably a euphemism for pro-adoption. Either way they just give me the horrors.

Whatsup 1:12 pm 01 Jun 09

Wikipedia, must be true.

Seriously now, lets get factual. I do like their hot chocolate.

peterh 1:02 pm 01 Jun 09

Clown Killer said :

We could start a FB group DLS!

right. exorcisms for all!

Clown Killer 12:51 pm 01 Jun 09

We could start a FB group DLS!

Die Lefty Scum 12:16 pm 01 Jun 09

Whatsup said :

Gloria Jeans is a franchise that is often owned by some local people, I have friends that own one in the Sydney suburbs. The head company is owned by a couple in Sydney. The confusion up often happens because Gloria Jeans sponsors the Hillsong Church amongst other organiszations and gets the acknowledgement / advertising that comes as a result.

Gloria Jean’s Coffees is an Australian Owned Company, headed by Jireh International. [4] Nabi Saleh and Peter Irvine are prominent, active members of Hillsong Church.[5]

Gloria Jean’s Coffees does sponsor many Hillsong-related initiatives such as Mercy Ministries, a pro-life anti-gay charity that claims to help women who are pregnant, have drug issues, or eating disorders.[6][7][8] “Gloria Jean’s Coffees chose to support Mercy Ministries because there is a need in Australia for a dedicated charity that helps women with these difficult issues,” said Peter Irvine, Co-Founder of Gloria Jean’s Coffees”[9] Gloria Jean’s Coffees has stated it is not intending to change its funding arrangements of Mercy Ministries, despite recent allegations that Mercy Ministries removes its charges from proven medical therapies and puts them in the hands of amateur counselors who employ techniques including exorcisms.[10]

From wikipedia (yeah yeah I know), but it’s enough for me to give it the big fat swerve. I’d like to see Hill$ong burned down instead of those poor old people’s place in Richardson.

Clown Killer 12:09 pm 01 Jun 09

Gloria Jeans is a franchise that is often owned by some local people, I have friends that own one in the Sydney suburbs. The head company is owned by a couple in Sydney. The confusion up often happens because Gloria Jeans sponsors the Hillsong Church amongst other organiszations and gets the acknowledgement / advertising that comes as a result.

I really don’t think that it’s important how they’re connected with Hillsong – just the fact that they are. That’s enough for me.

Anna Key 12:05 pm 01 Jun 09

Beserk Keyboard Warrior said :

Clown Killer said :

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Gloria Jeans is owned by the Hill$ong Church/Cult. For every Latte sold, another kid is brainwashed. Good enough reason for ya?

That’s why I avoid it!

Whatsup 12:03 pm 01 Jun 09

Gloria Jeans is a franchise that is often owned by some local people, I have friends that own one in the Sydney suburbs. The head company is owned by a couple in Sydney. The confusion up often happens because Gloria Jeans sponsors the Hillsong Church amongst other organiszations and gets the acknowledgement / advertising that comes as a result.

Spideydog 11:41 am 01 Jun 09

BerraBoy68 said :

For what it’s worth, I think those that joined the group as a sincere effort to sign a petition make should be left alone, regardless of how uninformed they were on the actual situation. However, those that left hate messages, threats towards the homeowner, etc.. need to reconsider their comments which have left the homeowner and his family very, very distressed. If they don’t do this then I tend to support JB.

Also, I’ve read Crystals apology and it does seem sincere. A much more mature approach and perhaps a valuable lesson has been learned.

I agree.

Clown Killer 11:28 am 01 Jun 09

Gloria Jeans is owned by the Hill$ong Church/Cult. For every Latte sold, another kid is brainwashed. Good enough reason for ya?

Thanks for that BKW! I have long put credence in the advice of William Burroughs who once said “Never do business with a religious son-of-a-bitch, you’ve got enough troubles in this world without the good lord screwing you over as well …”

Die Lefty Scum 11:27 am 01 Jun 09

Woody Mann-Caruso said :

I don’t know who are bigger w.nkers – the people getting carried away on the Facebook site, or the impotent school prefects on this site so keen to take names.

Good call Woody. At least the morons on the Facebook site have youthful naivety as an excuse.

Beserk Keyboard Warrior 11:23 am 01 Jun 09

Clown Killer said :

OK JB I accept Crystal’s apology as an honest declaration of her regret and remorse with respect to her earlier, more hot-blooded comments. My only problem now is that I will need another reason to boycot Gloria Jeans unfortunate take on the coffee bean.

Gloria Jeans is owned by the Hill$ong Church/Cult. For every Latte sold, another kid is brainwashed. Good enough reason for ya?

farnarkler 11:08 am 01 Jun 09

Why not have a system whereby flowers, etc can be put at an accident site for a certain period. Then, the government puts up an ‘accident blackspot’ sign, like the one on Kingsford Smith drive in Belconnen with ‘in memory of *insert name(s)* ‘ on it.

That way there is a warning about the road and also a lasting memory.

misspris 10:28 am 01 Jun 09

jessieduck said :

I have brought this to the attention of a number of friends who are teachers and encouraged them to bring the droup to school administraters attention.

If you have a friend who is a high school teacher, or is a parent of a highschooler- bring it to their attention so they don’t get lumped with the bad apples.

Good call Jessie. We recently had an issue with bullying of our daughter via BeBo and unfortunately it got to the point where the police were involved (it wasn’t me who alerted them but a parent from another school). I don’t think these kids realise that once they’ve committed this rubbish to print they can’t really take it back.

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