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Road woes: motorbikes and my daily commute

By john84 10 November 2011 71

I travel from Belconnen to Woden daily, mostly in peak-hour morning traffic, and Canberra’s roadways get backed up.

Each day, motorcyclists ride in the bike lanes passing the lines of cars, and eventually duck in at the last chance available, skipping all the automobilers.

Does anyone else have a problem with this?

What’s Your opinion?


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thatsnotme 10:20 pm 18 Dec 11

FWIW, I have actually seen the police targeting motorcycle riders in bike lanes, along Parkes Way during the morning rush. Just a van parked in the bike lane, pulling over any motorcycles who were using that lane. There were 3 or 4 bikes pulled over when I went past.

I don’t have a problem with it, as long as it’s safe – which generally means that visibility needs to be good enough that motorcycles can see any bikes in the lane in plenty of time. The on road bike lanes along William Hovell Drive and Parkes Way rarely ever seem to have any push bikes in them though – why not specially designate some cycle lanes on major roads as allowing motorcycles, with a reduced speed limit, and push bikes always retaining right of way?

The Antichrist 4:58 pm 18 Dec 11

No problem with this at all, as long as the motorcyclist takes appropriate care if there are any pushie riders actually using the pushy lane in the first place……..

Classified 10:03 pm 11 Nov 11

Innovation said :

Postalgeek said :

Mysteryman said :

ABC129 said :

A driver of a vehicle and rider of a motorbike may only drive in a bicycle lane
for up to 50 metres:

%u2022 to enter or leave the road;
%u2022 to overtake a vehicle that is turning right or making a U turn; and
%u2022 to avoid an obstruction.

Quoted again for those who didn’t bother reading it the first time.

But those cars were an obstruction, your Honour. Then 50 metres up the road I encountered further cars obstructing my way.

Or “I was going to exit the road in 50 metres your Honour but then I changed my mind and decided to exit 50 metres further down the road” … Or actually pull in and out of side streets or driveways every 50 metres (It would still be quicker than sitting in stationary traffic)

Sounds like a good strategy. Let us know how it works out for you.

Walker 9:49 pm 11 Nov 11

I wouldn’t do it. I don’t see the payoff being worth the risk, nor see myself deriving any joy from it. In fact I think I’d find it embarassing, demoting myself to a cycle lane. (Unless I’m cycling of course! In which case I’d take the suburbs anyway, so to me the whole lane is a non-event).

Innovation 7:16 pm 11 Nov 11

Postalgeek said :

Mysteryman said :

ABC129 said :

A driver of a vehicle and rider of a motorbike may only drive in a bicycle lane
for up to 50 metres:

%u2022 to enter or leave the road;
%u2022 to overtake a vehicle that is turning right or making a U turn; and
%u2022 to avoid an obstruction.

Quoted again for those who didn’t bother reading it the first time.

But those cars were an obstruction, your Honour. Then 50 metres up the road I encountered further cars obstructing my way.

Or “I was going to exit the road in 50 metres your Honour but then I changed my mind and decided to exit 50 metres further down the road” … Or actually pull in and out of side streets or driveways every 50 metres (It would still be quicker than sitting in stationary traffic)

Postalgeek 6:38 pm 11 Nov 11

Mysteryman said :

ABC129 said :

A driver of a vehicle and rider of a motorbike may only drive in a bicycle lane
for up to 50 metres:

%u2022 to enter or leave the road;
%u2022 to overtake a vehicle that is turning right or making a U turn; and
%u2022 to avoid an obstruction.

Quoted again for those who didn’t bother reading it the first time.

But those cars were an obstruction, your Honour. Then 50 metres up the road I encountered further cars obstructing my way.

KeenGolfer 5:03 pm 11 Nov 11

bd84 said :

2. Motorbikes lane splitting is illegal. Unsafe lane changes, occupying the same space as another vehicle, overtaking on the left etc.
3. Motorbikes moving between stopped traffic also illegal. See above.

Rubbish. Lane splitting and lane filtering are not illegal. Show me the legislation that says they are. There are other offences that *may* come into play but it’s not that hard to filter or split and not break any road rules. Maybe you need to read the ARR to see what offences there actually are and what is fictitious.

lore 12:28 pm 11 Nov 11

Best thing I’ve seen- a motocycle weaving in and out of stopped bumper to bumper traffic, passed a ute with a dog on the back. The dog jumped and barked at the motorcyclist, he was shocked and fell off his bike! A little bit of entertainment for us in the car.

Mysteryman 12:24 pm 11 Nov 11

ABC129 said :

http://www.tams.act.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0006/64482/Road_Rules_2011_Part_E.pdf

From Page 3 of the document:

Bicycle lanes
Bicycle lanes are reserved for the use of bicycle riders only. Bicycle lane markings,
including the coloured bicycle lanes at intersections highlight the existence of the
‘bicycle lane’ to motorists and the ‘right of way’ legally provided to the cyclist.
Therefore, where a motorist sees a bicycle lane, he or she must be on the lookout
for cyclists as always. If a cyclist is on a bicycle lane the motorist must give way.

While the bicycle lane alerts motorists to cyclist’s ‘right of way’, the bicycle rider also
needs to be vigilant, as these areas pose a much higher risk of collision. The fact
that the bicycle lane gives a cyclist ‘right of way’ does not necessarily mean that it
will be granted. Cyclists are often difficult to see in adverse conditions and are
extremely vulnerable, so as a cyclist, it is far better to be prepared to give way than
to have a collision.

**pay attention to this bit**
A driver of a vehicle and rider of a motorbike may only drive in a bicycle lane
for up to 50 metres:

• to enter or leave the road;
• to overtake a vehicle that is turning right or making a U turn; and
• to avoid an obstruction.

Quoted again for those who didn’t bother reading it the first time.

Mothy 11:35 am 11 Nov 11

carnardly said :

Yes, I have a problem with it.

+1

Sgt.Bungers said :

We’ve had to contend with human/wind/motor powered vessels in our water ways for centuries. Motor powered gives way to wind and human powered, human powered gives way to wind powered. Easy.

Cycle lanes could easily work the same way, with the caveat of a 20 km/h speed limit for motorcyclists? What’s the big deal?

Ahh that’s right, tall poppy syndrome from those in cars.

Sorry Bungers but your analogy is not a good one – a waterway has room for one to give way to another. A bike lane does NOT. Particularly when some idiot on a motorbike comes out of his Xkmph regular traffic lane into a Ykmph bicycle lane.

Since you and Innovation both believe a 20kmph speed limit for a motorbike traveling in the bicycle lane is feasible, can I ask how you’d police that? Tell me where else you see a differential speed limit based on being on one other the other side of a line?

Do I get annoyed with cyclists who bang past me on shared paths with no warning? Hell yes. But those are shared paths. A bicycle lane is NOT a shared space, nor should it be.

Sandman said :

As for that cyclist that got hit by the motorbike, I guess there’s never been a cyclist hit by a car in the history of the ACT? At least he has the benefit of CTP insurance, unlike the old lady on my street who got knocked over by a cyclist who went through a red light cause he didn’t think they applied to him if he thought it was safe.

He was hit by a motorbike while riding IN THE BIKE LANE Sandman. He was where he should be, the guy on the motorbike was not. The fact that there are inattentive drivers around, or a colourblind cyclist for that matter, does not make that motorcyclists lack of observation of the road rules any better, nor invalidate the rule. If on motorbike – stay out of the bike lane!

G-Fresh 10:34 am 11 Nov 11

steveu said :

I am a motorcycle rider, as are many of my friends..

I farted on the set of blue lagoon!

Seriously though being a motorcyclist aint’ unique. I’m one too. Really, no one could give a s*** whether I am or not.

The point here is that we are all motorists and the safety of all motorists is paramount. Lane filtering or not so long as there is no danger to others then it doesn’t matter what the Mick Doohan wannabe (or other rider type) gets up to on their commute.

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