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Simon wants your thoughts on environment protection

By johnboy - 3 August 2012 14

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Simon Corbell has announced a shiny discussion paper open for consultation:

“This review is the chance for the ACT community to have their say on how the ACT Government ensures our environment remains protected.

“Our laws need to be progressive to keep up to date and responsive to technological advances, current industry practices and reflective of community values.

“One way to ensure that our laws are responsive to the changing needs of our community is to review our legislation.

“This discussion paper aIso provides extra background information on the issues that are under review and prompts stakeholders and general community members to get involved.”

Some of the issues that need to be considered include whether the objectives of the Act are still valid, whether it achieves its stated purpose and whether it provides a ‘best practice’ approach to our local environment.

The Greens’ Shane Rattenbury has unkindly responded by asking what’s going on with the long delayed review of the Nature Conservation Act:

With Simon Corbell today announcing a review of the Environment Protection Act, the Greens are calling on the Minister to clarify when he will finalise the review of the Nature Conservation Act, which was first announced 8 years ago in the lead up to the 2004 election.

“The Act certainly needs reviewing, but based on past history the public might wonder whether they should prepare their submissions for next week or 2020,” said ACT Greens Environment Spokesperson, Shane Rattenbury.

The Government announced they were reviewing the Nature Conservation Act as part of their 2004 election promises. It took until December 2010 to call for submissions, which closed in February 2011.

“As the current Assembly comes to a close, the Government still hasn’t even introduced an exposure draft for revised legislation.

“I know many in the community who made submissions to the Nature Conservation Act are frustrated by the Government’s lack of progress on this important matter.

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Simon wants your thoughts on environment protection
EvanJames 9:55 pm 13 Aug 12

DrKoresh said :

… (most bizarre illogical ravings snipped)….The only way a government can effectively influence population control is by being an authoritarian regime in breach of pretty much every single treaty and charter proposed by the UN… (more illogical weirdness snipped)

The population of Australia began to shoot up when the Howard government ramped up family-based welfare, such as the Baby Bonus, and quadrupled the immigration program, bringing in up to 300,000 immigrants per year. That government very effectively influenced population size and growth.

Viridian 9:19 pm 13 Aug 12

EvanJames said :

People, especially large numbers of people, are the enemies of environmental preservation. It’s eternally puzzling why the Greens now studiously avoid any mention of population size, when human population is the cause of everything they purport to be worried about.

what kind of environment is the government on about here anyway? Bearded dragon beetles and earless spinifex grass, or things like the environment people live in, the built environment? That could sure do with some attention given the speedy growth of Canberra’s population, and the actions of developers to maximise the use of every bit of dirt they get their hands on. What about pollution, and noise? Or are they a bit too hard to grapple with.

If you read the paper it’s about a review of the Environment Protection Act, that’s about pollution, noise, air and such. Brown environment.

bundah 9:29 am 13 Aug 12

DrKoresh said :

EvanJames said :

People, especially large numbers of people, are the enemies of environmental preservation. It’s eternally puzzling why the Greens now studiously avoid any mention of population size, when human population is the cause of everything they purport to be worried about.

what kind of environment is the government on about here anyway? Bearded dragon beetles and earless spinifex grass, or things like the environment people live in, the built environment? That could sure do with some attention given the speedy growth of Canberra’s population, and the actions of developers to maximise the use of every bit of dirt they get their hands on. What about pollution, and noise? Or are they a bit too hard to grapple with.

Because there’s nothing to say about population control without it being construed as a eugenics program. What the hell do you want them to say? You want them to institute a 1 child policy, or mandatory euthanasia or what? Seriously, what do you think should be done about the size of the human population, especially in an area as small as the A.C.T?

We can reduce our population density by shipping people off to camps I suppose, but that would undoubtedly lead to causing damage to a larger area of the environment per square km.

The only way a government can effectively influence population control is by being an authoritarian regime in breach of pretty much every single treaty and charter proposed by the UN.

My final question, if human population growth is really this distressing to you and you’re not just coming in with a smug, holier-than-thou attitude to make yourself feel important, then why no do something about it? Self-terminate.

Now that you mention it eugenics has always been a favourite of mine although i think we need to consider combinations other than blonde hair and blue eyes.

DrKoresh 12:58 am 13 Aug 12

EvanJames said :

People, especially large numbers of people, are the enemies of environmental preservation. It’s eternally puzzling why the Greens now studiously avoid any mention of population size, when human population is the cause of everything they purport to be worried about.

what kind of environment is the government on about here anyway? Bearded dragon beetles and earless spinifex grass, or things like the environment people live in, the built environment? That could sure do with some attention given the speedy growth of Canberra’s population, and the actions of developers to maximise the use of every bit of dirt they get their hands on. What about pollution, and noise? Or are they a bit too hard to grapple with.

Because there’s nothing to say about population control without it being construed as a eugenics program. What the hell do you want them to say? You want them to institute a 1 child policy, or mandatory euthanasia or what? Seriously, what do you think should be done about the size of the human population, especially in an area as small as the A.C.T? We can reduce our population density by shipping people off to camps I suppose, but that would undoubtedly lead to causing damage to a larger area of the environment per square km.

The only way a government can effectively influence population control is by being an authoritarian regime in breach of pretty much every single treaty and charter proposed by the UN.

My final question, if human population growth is really this distressing to you and you’re not just coming in with a smug, holier-than-thou attitude to make yourself feel important, then why no do something about it? Self-terminate.

EvanJames 9:52 pm 12 Aug 12

People, especially large numbers of people, are the enemies of environmental preservation. It’s eternally puzzling why the Greens now studiously avoid any mention of population size, when human population is the cause of everything they purport to be worried about.

what kind of environment is the government on about here anyway? Bearded dragon beetles and earless spinifex grass, or things like the environment people live in, the built environment? That could sure do with some attention given the speedy growth of Canberra’s population, and the actions of developers to maximise the use of every bit of dirt they get their hands on. What about pollution, and noise? Or are they a bit too hard to grapple with.

kakosi 9:27 pm 12 Aug 12

Just look at Gungahlin with it’s tiny blocks and huge houses and no room for trees or animals, or the high density housing developments in the inner city and you’ll see what local government really thinks of the “environment”.

You want to save the environment? Don’t have kids, or better still kill yourself. Keeping one single human being alive results in more loss of natural environment than thousands of feral animals could ever achieve in ten lifetimes.

Anything else we do to “save” the environment is just window dressing.

Viridian 5:45 pm 12 Aug 12

Read the paper and put in a submission and see what happens. Is all I can say. You never know someone may just listen. It’s about protecting our environment after all.

shauno 6:00 am 05 Aug 12

How about protection from environmentalist lunatics like those criminals from green peace who destroyed the CSIRO crop.

bundah 7:14 pm 04 Aug 12

johnboy said :

It’s true that if someone powerful wants something your input isn’t going to change it.

But submissions to these things, where there’s no vested interest engaged, can have some real positive impacts.

My perception is that apathy is streets ahead of activism given that those who prefer not to draw attention to themselves inwardly hope that others who share the same perspective will voice their opposition. Of course there are those who are either content with the status quo or simply couldn’t give a stuff.

DrKoresh 4:39 pm 04 Aug 12

Truthiness said :

I appreciate the value of your optimism, however It seems rather unwarranted given the governments history of ignoring community input. what about all those “consultations” about shutting down schools. there doesn’t need to be an industry representative present, the government happily fills that role itself.

I for one tune out as soon as I’m referred to as “a stakeholder” in the environment. Will they be consulting the frogs and catchment areas too? it’ll be good to see those “stakeholders engaged” in the “ongoing review process” “moving forward”

they pretend to listen and then do whatever they want.

I have to disagree. I think you’ve got some kind of emotional vendetta against the government that’s not wholly based on fact. For one thing, your example of school closures is inaccurate as there were many schools that were saved due to the reaction of the community. My alma mater, Dickson College for one, was going to be closed down the year before I was due to start there, but it was saved by community input.

johnboy 4:30 pm 04 Aug 12

With the schools they’d already made a decision.

But for example if they were consulting on a road you’d be wasting your time submitting “this road should not be built” but if you submitted “by tweaking the alignment you can save money AND preserve the crinkle snouted loon” then you might well get a look in.

Truthiness 4:25 pm 04 Aug 12

I appreciate the value of your optimism, however It seems rather unwarranted given the governments history of ignoring community input. what about all those “consultations” about shutting down schools. there doesn’t need to be an industry representative present, the government happily fills that role itself.

I for one tune out as soon as I’m referred to as “a stakeholder” in the environment. Will they be consulting the frogs and catchment areas too? it’ll be good to see those “stakeholders engaged” in the “ongoing review process” “moving forward”

they pretend to listen and then do whatever they want.

johnboy 3:50 pm 04 Aug 12

It’s true that if someone powerful wants something your input isn’t going to change it.

But submissions to these things, where there’s no vested interest engaged, can have some real positive impacts.

Truthiness 3:45 pm 04 Aug 12

what’s the point? they never listen anyway. how many “community consultations” do they have to ignore before we just admit its a farce.

government is just endless reviews until industry get their way

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