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Southern Cross Drive won’t be getting new roundabouts after all

By thatsnotme - 20 April 2012 27

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Territory and Municipal Services have a note on West Macgregor intersection upgrades.

Due to the projected increased construction costs for the protection and relocation of services on Southern Cross Drive, the upgrade of the Starke Street intersection will not be taking place.

Through the investigation of the proposed intersection upgrade options, it was identified that signalisation of Southern Cross Drive and Florey Drive will provide increased safety and allow works to be delivered within the budget.

Construction for the upgrade is due to commence by the end of April 2012 with practical completion estimated by the end of August 2012, pending weather.

The upgrade works for the Starke Street intersection has been postponed pending the identification of a safe and financially viable option, including signalisation of the existing layout.

So after the initial investigation of potential options to resolve the s***fight that is the Southern Cross / Florey Drive and Southern Cross / Starke St intersections found that roundabouts would be the best solution, we’re settling for some ‘increased safety’ by putting some traffic lights on the Florey Drive intersection, and just letting Starke St traffic fend for itself.  Then possibly putting more lights on that intersection at some stage in the future.

Ok, so I get that the roundabout option may have blown out in cost due to existing services (although how in hell this wasn’t known before the plans were drawn up I’ll never know) but I really don’t understand how anyone could think that dealing with these intersections individually will ever work.  The problem is that there are two high traffic intersections close to each other, and what happens to traffic at one effects the other.

So now there are lights at the Florey Drive intersection.  Cars turning right out of Starke St now have to deal with traffic turning right from SC into Starke – which may be travelling more slowly now due to traffic banked up at the new lights ahead – as well as traffic travelling straight through towards Belco, affected in the same way.  Traffic heading towards Macgregor West will hit SC in an uninterrupted line after getting a green light, and traffic turning right onto SC from Florey Drive will do the same thing.  In busy times, the Starke St intersection just won’t be able to cop a break.

The Starke St intersection in incredibly bad.  Visibility is terrible – when turning either way onto SC, traffic turning left onto Starke blocks visibility, so it’s difficult or impossible to see if there is other traffic travelling straight through.  This latest plan won’t fix any of those issues.

I’d also love to know where the community consultation was with these plans.  It was pure accident that I found these revisions to the previously announced plans.  If I wanted to put an extension out the back of my place, I’d probably need to have a sign out the front, inform the neighbours, sacrifice a goat, and so on.  Yet the government can announce one set of plans, then back out of them with nothing more than an update to a webpage, and that’s good enough?

Very disappointed.


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Southern Cross Drive won’t be getting new roundabouts after all
Jethro 11:53 am 25 Apr 12

This is a disgrace. The Stake Street intersection has an accident there at least once a month, some quite serious.
Whatis the ongoing cost to the community of these constant crashs? How fixing these interesctions properly isn’t a priority is beyond me.

wildturkeycanoe 9:13 am 25 Apr 12

We can only hope that the new signals will include a bypass lane west-bound on Southern Cross Dr. so that traffic doesn’t build up toward the merge one lane.
Although, this will create a bottleneck when traffic tries to merge into SC Dr turning right from Florey Dr. so it probably won’t work either. Stop all the traffic or you haven’t fixed the problem at all.
It will be interesting to see how far back the eastbound traffic will pile up, preventing a right turn from Starke St. during morning peaks. That will cause a lot of tension and frustration no doubt, leading to the inevitable accident when someone tries to squeeze in to the queue.

p1 10:15 pm 24 Apr 12

Sgt.Bungers said :

As usual, the “If it saves one life, it’s worth it” argument, only applies when it comes to draconian enforcement. When it comes to the government spending money, a cost benefit analysis with our lives apparently comes into play a bit more.

Yup, if it saves only one life it’s worth the cost…. …the cost of traffic lights on one intersection.

p1 10:12 pm 24 Apr 12

thatsnotme said :

Kurva said :

Suck it up princess. You live in a place that is simple to drive in. The only issue with Canberra roads are the people driving on them – THE worst drivers in the country.

So have you ever actually driven in the area in question? Or are you just being a trolling arsehat? My money’s on option number two.

Clearly has also driven extensively in all the other cities, towns and regional areas in the country, while surveying the driving habits of the residents.

Trolling arsehat for sure.

Deckard 10:03 pm 24 Apr 12

I think if they use lights they need to have them on both intersections. Otherwise traffic heading east will bank up back past Starke St causing problems for people turning right from Starke on to SC Drive.

Could be a real ClusterF

thatsnotme 6:49 pm 24 Apr 12

Kurva said :

Suck it up princess. You live in a place that is simple to drive in. The only issue with Canberra roads are the people driving on them – THE worst drivers in the country.

So have you ever actually driven in the area in question? Or are you just being a trolling arsehat? My money’s on option number two.

Elizabethany 6:44 pm 24 Apr 12

I live near there, and go through those two intersections about 4 times a week, and this is the best news I have heard in a while. One of the main problems with both those intersections is that they ar eso far from traffic lights that there is rarely a good break in the traffic, and people need to take risks to get trough them. One set of traffic lights, while still not as good as two, will help break up the traffic more and make it more predictable. I am hoping it helps with Beaurepaire as well.

Sgt.Bungers 6:26 pm 24 Apr 12

As usual, the “If it saves one life, it’s worth it” argument, only applies when it comes to draconian enforcement. When it comes to the government spending money, a cost benefit analysis with our lives apparently comes into play a bit more.

Kurva 6:16 pm 24 Apr 12

Suck it up princess. You live in a place that is simple to drive in. The only issue with Canberra roads are the people driving on them – THE worst drivers in the country.

thatsnotme 6:00 pm 24 Apr 12

Genie said :

I love reading that the Gov’ment isn’t going to decently fix this intersection and less than a week later a nasty accident happens.

FYI according to Twitter, Southern Cross drive travelling east is currently blocked off at this intersection with a jack-knifed trailer following a 2 car collison

Yep, passed this on the way home this afternoon. I didn’t see any jack-knifed trailers, but did see one car that had taken a pretty big hit on the side. Looked for all the world like someone didn’t give way pulling out of Florey Drive, and got collected. The road was open when I headed through about half an hour ago.

Spykler, I think I know the house you’re talking about living in, and I’m sure you’ve seen plenty of stuff living there that you’d rather not have to see. I agree that the Southern Cross / Florey Drive intersection is the more dangerous, just because I think on the whole speeds are higher coming through there. What I’m worried about though, is that by focusing on one of the two problem intersections, that the danger at the Starke St one will increase simply because the lights down the road will change the traffic flow through the area.

Maybe I’ll be proved wrong – I hope I’m proved wrong – and a set of lights will make a positive difference at both intersections. What I’m worried about though, is Starke St becoming worse than it already is, and it taking years for the government to do anything about it again. And with a new McDonalds going up where the tavern used to be, it’s sure as hell not going to get any quieter in the area…

Genie 5:22 pm 24 Apr 12

I love reading that the Gov’ment isn’t going to decently fix this intersection and less than a week later a nasty accident happens.

FYI according to Twitter, Southern Cross drive travelling east is currently blocked off at this intersection with a jack-knifed trailer following a 2 car collison

p1 7:57 am 21 Apr 12

If the intersect(s) are reall that bad (and they are, I live near there too), and they are causing so many casualties, then maybe they should prioritize differently, and put in the best solution at the expense of spending the money somewhere else.

How much did 13 speed humps on Spofforth St cost for example?

Spykler 8:30 pm 20 Apr 12

ok- not the best solution, but let’s count the dead..In the last say, 10 years, there have been at least 3 fatals at Florey Drive/Southern Cross and only 1 at Starke/ Southern Cross..If you had to allocate your ACT Government $$ toward minimisation of the body count, I would say that Florey/Southern Cross drive wins out. The frustration factor at that particular intersection is higher than Starke/Southern Cross. Before anyone beats me down, I live in the house that faces the Florey Drive/Southern cross intersection and have had to run out with my sterile bandages and compassion and try to stop the bleeding and screaming before the emergency services arrive on at least 10 occasions in the last 5 years.

shirty_bear 1:39 pm 20 Apr 12

Fail.

StrangeAttractor 12:01 pm 20 Apr 12

Think you (or the blog software) missed a close tag on that link!

Also, I thought everyone was Ok with the roundabouts. And what are these “Existing Services” that are getting in the way?

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