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Southern Cross Drive won’t be getting new roundabouts after all

By thatsnotme 20 April 2012 27

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Territory and Municipal Services have a note on West Macgregor intersection upgrades.

Due to the projected increased construction costs for the protection and relocation of services on Southern Cross Drive, the upgrade of the Starke Street intersection will not be taking place.

Through the investigation of the proposed intersection upgrade options, it was identified that signalisation of Southern Cross Drive and Florey Drive will provide increased safety and allow works to be delivered within the budget.

Construction for the upgrade is due to commence by the end of April 2012 with practical completion estimated by the end of August 2012, pending weather.

The upgrade works for the Starke Street intersection has been postponed pending the identification of a safe and financially viable option, including signalisation of the existing layout.

So after the initial investigation of potential options to resolve the s***fight that is the Southern Cross / Florey Drive and Southern Cross / Starke St intersections found that roundabouts would be the best solution, we’re settling for some ‘increased safety’ by putting some traffic lights on the Florey Drive intersection, and just letting Starke St traffic fend for itself.  Then possibly putting more lights on that intersection at some stage in the future.

Ok, so I get that the roundabout option may have blown out in cost due to existing services (although how in hell this wasn’t known before the plans were drawn up I’ll never know) but I really don’t understand how anyone could think that dealing with these intersections individually will ever work.  The problem is that there are two high traffic intersections close to each other, and what happens to traffic at one effects the other.

So now there are lights at the Florey Drive intersection.  Cars turning right out of Starke St now have to deal with traffic turning right from SC into Starke – which may be travelling more slowly now due to traffic banked up at the new lights ahead – as well as traffic travelling straight through towards Belco, affected in the same way.  Traffic heading towards Macgregor West will hit SC in an uninterrupted line after getting a green light, and traffic turning right onto SC from Florey Drive will do the same thing.  In busy times, the Starke St intersection just won’t be able to cop a break.

The Starke St intersection in incredibly bad.  Visibility is terrible – when turning either way onto SC, traffic turning left onto Starke blocks visibility, so it’s difficult or impossible to see if there is other traffic travelling straight through.  This latest plan won’t fix any of those issues.

I’d also love to know where the community consultation was with these plans.  It was pure accident that I found these revisions to the previously announced plans.  If I wanted to put an extension out the back of my place, I’d probably need to have a sign out the front, inform the neighbours, sacrifice a goat, and so on.  Yet the government can announce one set of plans, then back out of them with nothing more than an update to a webpage, and that’s good enough?

Very disappointed.


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thatsnotme 3:04 pm 13 Jul 12

I also note that the work that’s happening on the Florey Drive intersection seems to involve a hell of a lot of work to relocate services. There appears to have been a substantial amount of work involving underground pipes, and it looks like they’ve now started to remove the street lighting on the Kippax Centre side of the road, presumably because they’re planning to widen the road in that area.

So relocating services is too expensive, and traffic lights at the Florey Drive intersection is the answer, which involves relocating services, and which will likely make the Starke St intersection even worse.

This is one of those times when a picture really does tell a thousand words… http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/010/277/genius-meme.png

Jim Jones 2:59 pm 13 Jul 12

VYBerlinaV8_is_back said :

Perhaps we should put in some more speed cameras (at school zones, for example) on the basis that any and all revenue gained from them is to be spent on upgrading known black spots. That way the idiots can fund the cost of resolving issues such as this one, and nasty intersections and patches of road can be upgraded at zero net cost to the regular tax payer.

WON’T SOMEONE THINK OF THE TRADIES!!!

Jim Jones 2:51 pm 13 Jul 12

Muttsybignuts said :

Drive a few metres further up the road to Spofforth St for a glimpse into the future as to how this will pan out.

Notable that there have been speed vans out on Spofforth Street recently.

Despite all the speed humps, there are still c0ckheads who tool down the street at 80kph and more. I had one tailgating me the other day, who then proceeded to fang down the wrong side of the road at a fecking insane speed.

This is why we can’t have nice things.

VYBerlinaV8_is_back 2:50 pm 13 Jul 12

Perhaps we should put in some more speed cameras (at school zones, for example) on the basis that any and all revenue gained from them is to be spent on upgrading known black spots. That way the idiots can fund the cost of resolving issues such as this one, and nasty intersections and patches of road can be upgraded at zero net cost to the regular tax payer.

Thumper 2:42 pm 13 Jul 12

( rumoured to be a Labor good old boy so the Gov kisses arse).

Not a rumour.

PBO 2:41 pm 13 Jul 12

p1 said :

If the intersect(s) are reall that bad (and they are, I live near there too), and they are causing so many casualties, then maybe they should prioritize differently, and put in the best solution at the expense of spending the money somewhere else.

How much did 13 speed humps on Spofforth St cost for example?

Whatever it cost should be made public as should the name of who approved it. This is the stupidest installation that the guvmint has done yet!

Muttsybignuts said :

Drive a few metres further up the road to Spofforth St for a glimpse into the future as to how this will pan out. First some whinger complains that cars drive down their street too fast ( rumoured to be a Labor good old boy so the Gov kisses arse). The Government does what is does best and no doubt organised a consultant to assess the impact of change etc etc etc and 13 speed humps are placed, at decent cost to the tax payer, in 1 street. Naturally, everyone begins to whinge that there is a speed hump every few metres and so now, surprise surprise, some consultant is being paid to assess the impact of the speed humps. No doubt some of them will be removed making the exercise a complete waste of money.
The same will happen at the Florey drive/Southern Cross drive intersection. Claiming they cant afford roundabouts, the Government are putting in traffic lights ( seems like a LOT of work for traffic lights but anyway). As mentioned above, traffic lights will cause long backups in an already over congested area leading to more incidents. I too drive through it every day and it is a major pain in the arse.
After a few months, and no doubt another death, Government will pay some dickhead to reassess the situation, spend a fortune ripping out the traffic lights and putting in roundabouts or whatever else fixes the problem again, at great cost to us.
Meanwhile someone else will lose a father/mother/son/daughter so the Government can save some money.
A complete shambles.

I rarely drive there now as it really annoying, however when one of my mates is with me he points out the house of the guy who made the complaint. Apparently he does not like the golf course either.

Muttsybignuts 2:32 pm 13 Jul 12

Drive a few metres further up the road to Spofforth St for a glimpse into the future as to how this will pan out. First some whinger complains that cars drive down their street too fast ( rumoured to be a Labor good old boy so the Gov kisses arse). The Government does what is does best and no doubt organised a consultant to assess the impact of change etc etc etc and 13 speed humps are placed, at decent cost to the tax payer, in 1 street. Naturally, everyone begins to whinge that there is a speed hump every few metres and so now, surprise surprise, some consultant is being paid to assess the impact of the speed humps. No doubt some of them will be removed making the exercise a complete waste of money.
The same will happen at the Florey drive/Southern Cross drive intersection. Claiming they cant afford roundabouts, the Government are putting in traffic lights ( seems like a LOT of work for traffic lights but anyway). As mentioned above, traffic lights will cause long backups in an already over congested area leading to more incidents. I too drive through it every day and it is a major pain in the arse.
After a few months, and no doubt another death, Government will pay some dickhead to reassess the situation, spend a fortune ripping out the traffic lights and putting in roundabouts or whatever else fixes the problem again, at great cost to us.
Meanwhile someone else will lose a father/mother/son/daughter so the Government can save some money.
A complete shambles.

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