STR – optimistic or delusional?

Ralph 9 August 2005 32

Today’s Canberra Times is reporting that contracts for the construction of the Gungahlin Drive Extension (GDE) have been awarded to a local consortium.

Urban Services Minister John Hargreaves appears confident that work on the GDE will be commencing shortly – expecting that a Federal Court appeal by Save the Ridge will be dismissed. Always wanting to be wet blankets, STR are screeching that the Federal Court will uphold their appeal, and that Hargreaves is counting his chickens too early.

When STR’s Federal Court appeal is dismissed, their only recourse will be with the High Court. Some legally minded readers may wish to inform us as to what section of the Constitution they could argue their case against (the environment is not quoted in the Constitution). If anything, it will simply be another delaying tactic for those concerned about their property values.

STR currently has $70 000 lodged with the Federal Court. Should STR lose their appeal, they will be required to pay this amount to the ACT and Federal Governments. The ACT Government can also seek further compensation from STR for additional legal and administrative costs.

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32 Responses to STR – optimistic or delusional?
Thumper Thumper 7:17 pm 11 Aug 05


There is no doubt that the nuclear issue needs to be brought out into the open. I doubt that we can ever repair the damage we have already done to this world since the industrial revolution, but I think we could possibly slow it.

Nuclear needs massive R&D but governments seemed swayed by that old mantra of nuclear is bad which is a pity.

I guess that day in Hiroshima sealed nuclear fate forever….

And fossil fuels will run out, and by that time the world will be stuffed. No doubt about it.

Maelinar Maelinar 1:44 pm 11 Aug 05

I like the cars that run on coconut oil petrol, good for the environment, leaves a smell of coconut, has multinational oil companies issuing warnings like paper is an expendable thing.

Now anything that smells of coconut has to be good for you.

Ralph Ralph 11:09 am 11 Aug 05

I am not concerned about oil one bit. I trust the power of the market.


Maelinar Maelinar 10:59 am 11 Aug 05

What about refractive beam solar ?

In essence, put a big mirror in space, refract that solar energy onto a single point on earth where handily there are receptors waiting for all that goodness.

Obviously terrorists might get control of it every now and again and go laserbeam mexico, but on the whole it would be a convenient process.

Then again we could possibly farm it on the moon if we’re not that keen on refracting back to earth, the only problem is getting space ships not to crash all the time.

OpenYourMind OpenYourMind 10:49 am 11 Aug 05

A key criteria is energy return on investment EROI. Check out this site

Solar is really lousy. The biggest solar farm in the world is in Germany and from memory only puts out 4MW. I’m not putting solar down, it’s great, it just doesn’t pack the punch that fossil fuels do. In effect almost all energy we use has come from the sun (directly or indirectly).

Thumper suggests nuclear. I won’t enter into discussions on merits vs downsides of nuclear as it’s all been said before. Something to consider though is if you think about NIMBYs getting upset about a windmill, what hope is there of putting a nuke plant anywhere in Oz. Even if you went full throttle into building a plant, the lead in time is enormous. The oil problem is likely to rear its head much sooner – oil jumped another $2 and hit a high of $65.05 last night.

All right, I’ll stop now – I promise!!

Maelinar Maelinar 10:36 am 11 Aug 05

Oh come on guys, we’re all forgetting the power of slave labour. The America’s were forged on it!

I haven’t seen any research based upon wave power, however I have heard a suggestion that one solar panel placed upon each house in sydney would generate enough power to power sydney as well as drive a pump which would move water uphill during the day, when the sun goes down gravity is allowed to take over and we get electricity all night.

What we are faced with as a society is that ‘somebody’ must pay for this kind of thing, so instead of working for the greater good, we’re all getting involved with ‘what do I get out of it’.

Personally I’d love electricity to be listed as a human right and free for all and sundry.

But then again I think a utopia would work where many don’t.

RandomGit RandomGit 9:24 am 11 Aug 05

Its ok, I got the message of hate quite clearly. I’m touched that you care that much.

Spitfire3 Spitfire3 6:17 pm 10 Aug 05

Damn, that last bit was meant to be in a pale grey font, subliminal-like. I guess WordPress isn’t much for delivering death threats properly either. Oh well.

Spitfire3 Spitfire3 6:10 pm 10 Aug 05

Hahahaha!! I will kill you soon

RandomGit RandomGit 4:10 pm 10 Aug 05

To late, you son of a bitch.

Spitfire3 Spitfire3 3:49 pm 10 Aug 05

Looking forward to it (I can’t check that email address from work, and I’m having networking problems at home, so don’t be offended if I don’t reply quickly).

Thumper Thumper 3:43 pm 10 Aug 05

Oil, ah, it’s all an American conspiracy, we all know that…

Don’t we?

Stuff oil anyway. Nuclear is the only way left to go as all the alternative sources of energy have thus far proven to be damaging to the environment in one way or another.

And yes, I know nuclear is now a mantra, ie, nuclear is bad, but what are the alternatives? Wind power? Not in my backyard sonny. Wave power? Hasn’t worked yet and I remember them trialling it in the UK in the 70s. Solar? Maybe, but its been around a long time and still isn’t feasible.

What about hamsters on big wheels running around? that may work. And when the hamster drop dead of exhaustion we can eat them….


RandomGit RandomGit 2:59 pm 10 Aug 05

Beat ya to it Mae.

IP lookups are fun as well.

Maelinar Maelinar 2:36 pm 10 Aug 05

I’ll send you an email directly to show you how it’s done.

Poindexter Poindexter 2:09 pm 10 Aug 05

Please, please, *please* don’t get OpenYourMind started on oil. We have to work with him, and we are a captive audience!

Spitfire3 Spitfire3 12:27 pm 10 Aug 05

Mael, really? Shit. I was hoping that address would be safe from spam for a long long time.

RandomGit RandomGit 12:16 pm 10 Aug 05

Nice, expand it with more info for the less informed and post it as it’s own story about Car use in the ACT.

OpenYourMind OpenYourMind 12:10 pm 10 Aug 05

RandomGit, I will happily accept your challenge.

As a general comment I have only ever mentioned ‘peak oil’ as it relates to discussions on cycling infrastructure within Canberra.

A more general comment would be that oil at a sustained $63 (current price) equates to roughly $1.33 a litre. Given Canberran’s high percentage of car use, this is current and topical to Canberrans I would have said – particularly given this original discussion thread is about building a new road.

Maelinar Maelinar 11:53 am 10 Aug 05

The scary thing is I read that and had your email in 5 seconds. (the computer is running slow)

Here’s to unwanted emails ref oil ;P


RandomGit RandomGit 11:52 am 10 Aug 05

OYM, come up with a peice on Oil related directly to Canberra and post it up. Show your guts.

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