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Transport study for Northbourne Avenue

By johnboy - 11 March 2011 50

Northbourne Avenue

Chief Minister Stanhope has announced a study into sorting out the ever more congested Northbourne Avenue.

He seems to be leaning towards a major bus station (and one imagines car park) in Dickson to shuttle people into the City.

Consulting firm URS has been appointed to conduct the study, which will cover the section of Northbourne Avenue from Flemington Road to the City. Also included in the study is an investigation of a bus station in Dickson to increase the uptake of public transport.

Mr Stanhope said URS would work closely with the National Capital Authority to identify the nationally significant characteristics of the corridor. The study will protect and enhance these characteristics while delivering improved reliability, more efficient bus services and a dedicated cycling route.

“The study is due for completion in the third quarter of this year and will involve targeted consultation with community representatives, community councils and key interest groups,” Mr Stanhope said.

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Transport study for Northbourne Avenue
Snave81 2:16 pm 11 Mar 11

Athryn said :

LIGHT RAIL!!!!!!! FFS Give us light rail!!

There were enough complaints on here recently about the tax payer subsidy for Action Buses. If light rail came in that subsidy would probably increase substantially. The increase would be on top of the $2 billion (according to the PricewaterhouseCoopers report) that light rail would cost to build. While light rail is a nice idea, the ACT doesn’t have the population and is to spread out to make it a viable option.

Gungahlin Al 1:50 pm 11 Mar 11

Buzz2600 said :

In the meantime, why not utilise the parking available in the Exhibition Park/Racecourse areas and have the park & ride start there? Free parking might encourage people to ditch the car. Nothing else will entice people onto buses in Canberra.

We started campaigning for this idea in 2008, and last year the ACT Government agreed. It is now in the works. It will need the Morriset Road rebuild to be done to give the access to the back EPIC carparks – from Federal Hwy as well as Flemington Rd.

Buzz2600 1:27 pm 11 Mar 11

+ 1 for a light rail. If Mr Stanhope wants a ‘big Canberra’ time to start planning for a genuine infrastructure upgrade which includes public transport which does not rely on existing roads.

A bus station in Dickson will require a major upgrade to parking/traffic improvement etc for an already car-saturated disaster zone. In the meantime, why not utilise the parking available in the Exhibition Park/Racecourse areas and have the park & ride start there? Free parking might encourage people to ditch the car. Nothing else will entice people onto buses in Canberra.

Watson 1:22 pm 11 Mar 11

Keijidosha said :

Fair call about the median being unsuitable for a bus lane, but a cycleway is another perfectly good (and logical) use for the area. In fact this should have been done instead of the suicycle lanes they’ve painted on the verge.

I agree and it’s very common to do this on busy multi-lane roads in Europe. It does take some planning around intersections though. Most of the road would be ok as there are seperate lanes and lights to turn right and the latter are seperate from the lights to go straight ahead. This is not the case for the whole road though. Think about Braddon and Civic. The way the intersections there work now, the bicycle light could only go green there when all the other lights are red.

Still, even if it doesn’t go all the way down to Civic, it would still be a major improvement.

Seperate bus lanes on busy roads is also a tactic used all over Western Europe to get people out of their cars and onto the bus. But again, it’s not as straightforward as it may seem when it comes to intersections. You would need to allow cars onto the bus lane to turn left for example.

And totally agree with the need to synchronise the lights! They used to be – for a very short time – years ago and what a difference that makes. They are so far behind on traffic planning here compared to the majority of the first world… Synchronising lights makes a huge difference to traffic flow.

KaptnKaos 1:17 pm 11 Mar 11

Athryn said :

LIGHT RAIL!!!!!!! FFS Give us light rail!!

How many more studies does stranglehope need to tell him that this city needs a light rail system between major centres.

“Targeted consultation” = those who will agree with stranglehope.

churl 1:16 pm 11 Mar 11

Easy fix:
Build Monash Drive.

screaming banshee 1:16 pm 11 Mar 11

Keijidosha said :

2) Without a bus lane, if a bus entered the bay it would have difficulty re-entering the flow of traffic (esp. in peak times).

You’ve not experienced the courtesy of an Action bus driver changing lanes then have you? Aside from the fact that the law states cars must make way for a bus exiting a bus stop, those drivers are bat shit crazy and will pull across in front of anything.

Athryn said :

LIGHT RAIL!!!!!!! FFS Give us light rail!!

Why? A dedicated bus transit corridor would be more flexible, much cheaper and more effective than light rail. Give them right of way and whatnot like Melbournes trams…but they don’t actually need to be trams.

Keijidosha 12:45 pm 11 Mar 11

Fair call about the median being unsuitable for a bus lane, but a cycleway is another perfectly good (and logical) use for the area. In fact this should have been done instead of the suicycle lanes they’ve painted on the verge.

I would object to the 4 lane/transit proposal on the basis that it does nothing to discourage commuters from using the road – which is the heart of the problem. The solution needs to be something that offers enough encourangement for people to ditch their cars in favour of buses/bikes.
For mine that solution is 2 lanes of traffic and a dedicated bus lane (and bays) – T2/T3 lanes are only useful when constantly policed.

Oh, and I suspect the reasons there are currently no bus bays are twofold:
1) There are often several buses nose-to-tail travelling down Northbourne, so the bays would have to be rediculously long in order to be fit for purpose.
2) Without a bus lane, if a bus entered the bay it would have difficulty re-entering the flow of traffic (esp. in peak times).

Erg0 12:07 pm 11 Mar 11

I’d be happy if they just made an effort to synchronise the traffic lights a bit better. Then again, I only drive down Northbourne a couple of times a month (for good reason).

shadow boxer 12:05 pm 11 Mar 11

Convert outside lanes of Northbourne to dedicated bus lanes… GO! Line marking would take about two weeks tops.

God no !!! the traffic would bank up to Hall insteqad of just the Racecourse.

KB1971 12:02 pm 11 Mar 11

joingler said :

Athryn said :

LIGHT RAIL!!!!!!! FFS Give us light rail!!

Northbourne avenue is probably the only place Light Rail would be a great success. Definitely worth putting it in, and extending it to Gungahlin via Flemington Road. Not many other areas where population is heavy enough to justify it.

So no one lives south of the lake?

Gungahlin Al 12:00 pm 11 Mar 11

Tony Gill told the GCC meeting on Wednesday that they are considering putting a cycleway down the centre median, but can’t put a bus lane there because the brainwaves in the NCA over the years (and even just last year) allowed the spooks, telcos and ever other mob with a backhoe to lay cables and other crap down the middle.

They are looking then to retain the 3 traffic lanes in each direction, and widen the existing cycle lanes outwards to form a 4th lane each way for bus/transit. It was raised that they wouldn’t be very fast transit lanes if people are stuck behind bus stops, but Tony conceded they’d only work if there were bays off to the side at bus stops – as there should have been now anyway, I would have thought.

Keijidosha 11:51 am 11 Mar 11

Convert outside lanes of Northbourne to dedicated bus lanes… GO! Line marking would take about two weeks tops.

Better yet, if Stanhope won’t give us light rail, at least pave a big ol’ runway straight down the median strip of Northbourne and run the busses like Melbourne trams. Stops at each intersection and no conjestion to worry about.

joingler 11:47 am 11 Mar 11

Athryn said :

LIGHT RAIL!!!!!!! FFS Give us light rail!!

Northbourne avenue is probably the only place Light Rail would be a great success. Definitely worth putting it in, and extending it to Gungahlin via Flemington Road. Not many other areas where population is heavy enough to justify it.

Athryn 11:31 am 11 Mar 11

LIGHT RAIL!!!!!!! FFS Give us light rail!!

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