Transport study for Northbourne Avenue

johnboy 11 March 2011 50

Northbourne Avenue

Chief Minister Stanhope has announced a study into sorting out the ever more congested Northbourne Avenue.

He seems to be leaning towards a major bus station (and one imagines car park) in Dickson to shuttle people into the City.

Consulting firm URS has been appointed to conduct the study, which will cover the section of Northbourne Avenue from Flemington Road to the City. Also included in the study is an investigation of a bus station in Dickson to increase the uptake of public transport.

Mr Stanhope said URS would work closely with the National Capital Authority to identify the nationally significant characteristics of the corridor. The study will protect and enhance these characteristics while delivering improved reliability, more efficient bus services and a dedicated cycling route.

“The study is due for completion in the third quarter of this year and will involve targeted consultation with community representatives, community councils and key interest groups,” Mr Stanhope said.


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Watson Watson 2:06 pm 23 Mar 11

Erg0 said :

I swear, you could make a drinking game out of the traffic threads on RiotACT. Every time someone mentions how they do things in Europe, take a shot!

And maybe in your happy drunken state, you could come up with something better than “how they do things in Europe” please? Or any other place where they are a couple of decades ahead of (having to) look(ing) for solutions is ok too. I’ll agree to take a shot on ‘Singapore’.

I very rarely use buses myself. If I don’t drive the car, I prefer the bike as it’s much faster and more convenient. And with traffic the way it’s getting, my 10k trip to work is faster on the bike than in the car, which is an excellent motivator.

I understand not everyone can ride or take the bus, but if those who can would more consistently do so, there’d be less of a traffic issues for the others, I would think?

The other option of course is: concrete the lot, build overpasses, fill up the lake to make a giant carpark… (and turn it into a European city: drink!)

cleo cleo 1:52 am 23 Mar 11

Not everyone can ride a bike, especially pensioners, it can also be inconvenient, I would like to see the nature strip on Northbourne go, and put more lane’s in, or light rail right down the middle.

shadow boxer shadow boxer 7:45 pm 22 Mar 11

Sorry meant to say dis-service obviously

shadow boxer shadow boxer 6:31 pm 22 Mar 11

Gungahlin Al said :

Fair ’nuff Watson. Solid reasoning but sure to be lambasted by many of Canberra’s car loving masses.

I’m attending a workshop on this issue with TAMS, the consultant and other community group reps tonight, so will be interesting to see where their thinking is heading and what influence we can bring to bear.

There’s no reasoning there at all, it’s just a self interested post from a Watson resident who wants a dedicated lane for his single zone trip into civic and doesn,t care who is inconvenienced in the process.

If they close a lane the traffic will seriously bank up to hall, you would be doing the people of gungahlin a service if you supported it al.

I-filed I-filed 6:23 pm 22 Mar 11

Cr*p! – where is the environmental benefit of shaving a mere 2.5 kilometres from the average commute? Pretty much zero. This is not behaviour-changing. It’s just allocating cheaper land to parking, and attempting to mollify annoyed car drivers. Unadulterated political expedience.

rbw rbw 6:13 pm 22 Mar 11

“Mr Stanhope said URS would work closely with the National Capital Authority to identify the nationally significant characteristics of the corridor. The study will protect and enhance these characteristics”

Glad to see the priorities are all in order. Wouldn’t want to upset the reptoids and their sacred geometry!

Deref Deref 5:55 pm 22 Mar 11

Erg0 said :

I swear, you could make a drinking game out of the traffic threads on RiotACT. Every time someone mentions how they do things in Europe, take a shot!

Every time someone mentions light rail take two shots.

Keijidosha Keijidosha 5:16 pm 22 Mar 11

I’ve got my fingers crossed for you, Al. Lets hope the immediate response is painting the outside lanes of Northbourne red, and an asphalt strip straight down the middle of the median. 😉

Gungahlin Al Gungahlin Al 4:55 pm 22 Mar 11

Fair ’nuff Watson. Solid reasoning but sure to be lambasted by many of Canberra’s car loving masses.

I’m attending a workshop on this issue with TAMS, the consultant and other community group reps tonight, so will be interesting to see where their thinking is heading and what influence we can bring to bear.

Erg0 Erg0 4:51 pm 22 Mar 11

I swear, you could make a drinking game out of the traffic threads on RiotACT. Every time someone mentions how they do things in Europe, take a shot!

Watson Watson 3:07 pm 22 Mar 11

Gungahlin Al said :

No-one is talking about shutting down a lane of Northbourne, but rather adding a lane to the outside each way.

I am. Building an extra lane is way too expensive and there wouldn’t be enough room left for bikes and pedestrians.

Lots here don’t seem to realise what a luxury it is to be able to drive everywhere. In European cities where road expansion is even more limted due to a medieval desigh and heritate listed buildings and streets, they gave up on trying to cater for the ever increasing number of cars long time ago. Their strategy for the past decades has been: reduce car parking in city centre or make them prohibitively expensive and reduce lanes available to cars on roads into the city by making more bike lanes, bus lanes and tramways. Thus creating more and more incentives for people to leave the car at home.

Mind you, they also gave up on trying to make a profit of public transport a long time ago. What they save on having to build new or repair old roads and carparks, the spend on funding public transport.

Innovation Innovation 8:42 pm 13 Mar 11

I’m having trouble posting so if this appears three times – sorry.

Google Maps says that Northbourne Avenue (from Barton Highway to London Circuit) is 4.5 km and should take .. cough cough.. 7 minutes. I know it’s not up there with Sydney congestion but “20 minutes” (and I’m pretty sure some trips take me longer) is pretty poor for Canberra (and I have to do it four times a day!).

After reading other posts is there space on the median strip (amongst the cabling) for one transit (eg bus + T3) lane? Useage of that lane could alternate for am or pm traffic.

I love shadowboxer’s idea of banning East-West through traffic and right hand turns at some intersections in peak hour but how would pedestrians get across? If it wasn’t for pedestrians, I would suggest implementing this for five lights at Alinga, Rudd/Bunda, Gould/Elouera, Masson/Girrawheen, Condamine/Ipima. It could even be done at London Circuit if people do the loop. That would leave 7 lights at Barry/Cooyong, Wakefield/Macarthur, the pedestrian lights near Morphett St, Mouatt/Antill, Barton Highway, Phillip Avenue and Flemington Rd. Some of these might even warrant overpasses.

Another option might be to turn some intersections into traffic light controlled roundabouts (eg, Northbound traffic could go simultaneously with Westbound traffic and Southbound traffic could go simultaneously with Eastbound traffic).

farnarkler farnarkler 4:37 pm 13 Mar 11

Athryn said :

LIGHT RAIL!!!!!!! FFS Give us light rail!!

Athryn please emlighten us on how is this light rail going to be funded? Have you looked at the cost of the Gold Coast light rail? I can’t imagine one here is going to be any cheaper than the close to $1 billion theirs cost.

bigfeet bigfeet 3:14 pm 13 Mar 11

I travel down Northbourne every weekday at about 7.30am. From Flemington Rd to Commonwealth Avenue Bridge rarely takes more than about 15 minutes.

Even if I start work later and go down Northbourne at 8.30am it only adds about 5 minutes to the trip.

I really don’t see this congestion that people complain about.

ML-585 ML-585 2:10 pm 13 Mar 11

Gungahlin Al said :

Tony Gill [said they] can’t put a bus lane there because the brainwaves in the NCA over the years (and even just last year) allowed the spooks, telcos and ever other mob with a backhoe to lay cables and other crap down the middle.

Can’t see how this precludes a median bus lane – just makes it more expensive. A transit lane subject to the same traffic lights as all other traffic will not help matters much. Best option is to put buses into their own reserve and give them traffic light priority.

Buzz2600 said :

A bus station in Dickson will require a major upgrade to parking/traffic improvement etc for an already car-saturated disaster zone.

In the meantime, why not utilise the parking available in the Exhibition Park/Racecourse areas and have the park & ride start there? Free parking might encourage people to ditch the car. Nothing else will entice people onto buses in Canberra.

The Dickson Bus Station is NOT intended as a Park n Ride station, just a single point where all Dickson/Northbourne services connect. It would be essential if a median bus lane were built as it would allow passengers to swap between the limited stop (express) services and those which would use all Northbourne stops.

shadow boxer shadow boxer 1:08 pm 13 Mar 11

So are these magic buses going to stop for traffic lights ?. Are they all express or do they stop at the bus stops ?

If the proposal is seriously an extra lane then i’m a big supporter as the white elephant at epic wont matter, somehow I doubt it though, I also don’t see any need for more than 3 cross streets during peak hour, Antill, Wakefield and Bunda should do, the rest of lights should be green during peak hour

Gungahlin Al Gungahlin Al 11:14 am 13 Mar 11

shadow boxer said :

thy_dungeonman said :

To everyone who complains about buses holding up traffic, I should point out that if the same number of people on that bus (50) were each driving a car then they would be holding you up for a lot longer. Car users should be thankful that others are not using the roads in such an inefficient manner and leaving them and the car-parks clearer. As for transport solutions I really think that cycle paths are a low hanging fruit that the government ignores, build a 2m path that is direct, connected and well maintained (far cheaper than a road) and people will have greater incentive to cycle than if they have to ride alongside angry motorists or ride on cracked, overgrown footpaths that lead nowhere.

Rubbish, 50 cars travelling unimpeded down northbourne is much faster than bus stopping to let people on and off. Even an express bus will only get there seconds faster. Remove the buses from northbourne (and 5 sets of traffic lights during peak hour and everyone gets there faster.

Closing a lane of northbourne to traffic with crace and bonner about to come on line is insane. Running all the buses from epic to dickson, down cowper and through braddon to the interchange makes a lot of sense

“50 more cars travelling unimpeded down Northbourne”? You so crack me up. In what dream world would that be? Take out the buses and throw all those people into a car each and you could forget “unimpeded” until maybe 11am every weekday!

And perhaps a re-read of the earlier comments is in order? No-one is talking about shutting down a lane of Northbourne, but rather adding a lane to the outside each way.

For those discussing free parking at EPIC, agreed – this is what GCC has been proposing since 2008. And there’s is no need to ‘plonk down a new carpark’ there – it already exists. EPIC supports the idea (I’ve discussed it with the manager), and the Gov’t could progressively seals section of the carpark as usage increases (in a good permeable surface!). It only needs better lighting, security cameras, and a good setdown area. Because once this is in place, then the Gungahlin suburban routes could all terminate at EPIC. Then shuttle buses could run every 5 minutes for the rest of the trip. And that would fix the stupid conga lines that happen, and by so doing, further free up congestion on Northbourne and in the city bus interchange.

And when Morriset Rd is built soon, it will be able to cut off NSW commuters who currently rat run through Watson, Hackett and Ainslie.

You know it makes sense…

Deref Deref 10:26 am 13 Mar 11

All they need to do to fix Northbourne Ave is to complete the GDE an synchronise the traffic lights.

Holden Caulfield Holden Caulfield 10:26 am 13 Mar 11

I have conducted my own transport study for Northbourne Ave.

The results were conclusive.

Avoid at all costs.

Innovation Innovation 9:32 am 13 Mar 11

Free parking at EPIC, regular busses, a transit lane, priority for transit lanes at synchronised traffic lights and discounted (eg $2.00) bus fares would more than make up for the time busses spend stopping regularly to pick up passengers and possibly even be cheaper for some individuals than the cost of fuel used in their car let alone parking in the city.

On the southside some people obviously already can justify free parking near the Albert Hall and full bus fare to travel to and from the city. In the same vein, any improvement on the Southside surely would help to increase ACTION patronage.

Also, I suspect some traffic lights at least in the city centre are already synchronised but assume an average speed of around 60km/h which is pointless in stop start traffic or for anyone who starts from a red light and doesn’t exceed the speed limit at some point.

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