18 November 2008

Tree Surgery...And Parity Between Canberra Tradies

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As a new home owner, I’m going through the quite expected challenging experience of having to maintain my property, and all the in’s and out’s that come with it.

After only being there for around 3 months, various pieces of work have been completed from plumbing, electrics, roof mainentance…and most recently tree surgery. I’m still trying to get me head around the way quotes work, and how they can vary so much depending on the trade.

I had a quote done recently for a tree surgeon to tidy up the big gum tree in my yard, which would require one dude with his equipment for about 3 hours work. Even after agreeing to pay cash, and that the off cuts can be left on the property, the quote was around $400. Now I am all for equality between tradies and suits, but even within trades there seems to be gaps. For example the recent work I had done by a sparky took 3 hours for 2 guys plus a bag full of parts for around this same price. While there is insurance, downtime, travel expenses and more that can be taken in to account – whats the deal? I’m interested in some real life experiences from both sides of the fence here.

A recommendation for a variety of tree surgeons would be brilliant too.

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Sorry to resurrect an old thread, but I am now in the position where I may need to have a tree next to my house removed.

Can anyone recommend a good tree removalist ?

Well, good steak is expensive!

; )

No idea, we’ve never filled it in wrong.
Mostly by walking in and asking the most senior person at Canberra Connect “How do I fill in this form so we can cut the dangerous bits off the tree? Its so big and the branches so heavy that if one was to fall off while we were having a barbeque, it would instantly crush either me, my cousin, or one of my ankle-biter nephews. While whoever was hit wouldn’t have time to realise it had happened, after watching something happen I probably wouldn’t be able to finish my steak.”

That would kind of scare me. Is there no mercy for boxes ticked in error?

damn /i tag.

You can get wide and varied quotes, but from some people you’ll get ridiculous quotes on things simply because large gum trees are two man jobs, and some are listed as registered & regulated through Environment ACT.

We have a tree of registered status (we didn’t choose to register it, apparently someone at TAMS registered it for us, because its huge, and the view of the nesting galahs in our tree from the street meant it should be on there), and explicitly can’t be cut down or pruned to an extent which causes harm unless it becomes a risk to safety or life, and any major pruning work we get done on them has to be through one of TAMS’ approved people, and any major work done is compliant with the Tree Protection Act (2005) and Regulations, meaning we now have to pay for a TAMS consultant to come out and supervise.

None of which is cheap, but its cheaper (and faster) to do the applications and other shit ourselves than have the tradie make the application.

On the upside, now that its full of bees, the gardens do fine, and when we get bits cut off it we have a neverending supply of firewoord.
Downside is if we tick the wrong box or fill in the form wrong, applying for (and performing) the wrong kind of tree-damaging activity on a registered tree carries penalties in the thousands of dollars, and can involve a Magistrates Court appearance if its seen as a ‘serious offence’.

tylersmayhem9:55 am 21 Nov 08

Yes Skid, I have. That was kind of the topic of the post. In terms of value for money, 3 hours is 3 hours. But for better understanding, it’s involves a dude putting on some climbing kit and climbing up a fairly tall gum tree and cutting off some dead branches – and not too many of them at that. They will not have to pay for removal and tipping of the wood, as I will keep it for winter time.

So you’ve proven that tradies have a range of quotes.

In terms of value for money, are you going to mention what the job was?

tylersmayhem8:49 am 21 Nov 08

While I realise this thread is long gone, for future reference I thought I’d note some of my results after having 4 quotes done. Keep in mind that the quotes are for exactly the same work, which all contractors expect to take up to 3 hours.

Quote 1. $400
Quote 2. $600
Quote 3. $460
Quote 4. $700

The best quote was the first I had done. Adam from EcoTrees (0427887692) was the provider of this quote, and the guy we’ll be having in to do the work when we can eventually save up the spare money to have the work done.

tylersmayhem3:43 pm 19 Nov 08

Thanks Ponkygirl – I’ll add them to my quote list.

Granny – let me know if nothing turns up.

Skyline are excellent – we’ve used them for a heap of jobs, including a really big one, and they were efficient and tidy. Probably not the cheapest though.

Thanks, Tyler! It hasn’t come in as yet – I’ll keep checking but!

tylersmayhem2:19 pm 19 Nov 08

In your mailbox Granny! I’m sure it will come in handy.

… or maybe it has a capital G. Try both!

Well, I do have a gmail which I pretty much never check, but I would check it for you Tyler.

: )

granny1963@gmail.com

That would be terrifical, thanks!!

You know you could probably turn that into a report that you could sell … for money even!

*chuckle*

tylersmayhem1:04 pm 19 Nov 08

I’m happy to get it to you through JB, if that’s something he is happy to do. I’m sure he’d maybe enjoy the potential benefits as well 😛

Tylers, I would pretty much kill for your tradies list.

: )

ari … removal of dead tree and a new fence thrown in for $1500 = cheap!!!

dealing with tradies is nearly always complete agony – from rip-off quotes, to not turning up on time, to shoddy work….i keep telling my single friends to get some tradie bfs and gfs to form a trade pool 😉

la mente torbida10:41 am 19 Nov 08

Had a similar issue, ACTEW issued me with a removal order for a vine that had climbed a power pole (along with a list of approved contractors).

Quotes ran around the $800 mark. Fortunately, I had a mate that worked as a linesman for ACTEW…total cost was 2 bottles of JD.

tylersmayhem9:51 am 19 Nov 08

but I’ve don’t my fair

Apologies, that should have said “but I’ve done my fair share”…

tylersmayhem9:45 am 19 Nov 08

To assume that because you pay one ‘tradie’ so much per hour -therefore that is all you should pay someone else (despite the fact that they are doing something totally different) is the height of ignorance.

I think my whole point of this post has been missed by you imhotep. It was posing a question as to “parity” between trades. I don’t necessarily have a gripe, but rather confusion between such varying pricing. I think it’s a fair question, and to throw around accusations of ignorance is ridiculous. Yes, I wear a suit now and I work in an office, but I’ve don’t my fair share of laboring in the past in floor sanding, construction and landscaping. While laboring, I didn’t arrange the pricing, so I never gained an understanding of pricing structures. And the suggestion that because one wears a suit and works in an office makes them a “pube” is also beyond ridiculous. Sounds like you have a bloody big chip on both shoulders mate – best go get that sorted out!

While the suggestions of the job being done for a case of beer is really cool, I’m happy to pay an arborist a decent price for the job.

As for the notion that tradies like to come out for a good look at the customer as much as the job confirms quite a few things for me. I think it pretty much comes down to this type of business can make assumptions based on what you are wearing and the house you own and squeeze as much money out of you as possible. BUT, I am quickly gathering a list of tradies to always use and recommend (there are some out there), and another list of tradies to never use and recommend people avoid. This type of quoting is beyond unreasonable,and I’m sure the people who use this method would hate being treated in the same way. As for me, it’s very quick see when it’s happening, then I’ll avoid them like the plague. Yes, that goes for the business that quoted me $600 today for the same job mentioned in the OP.

Ari said :

I helped a mate in Kambah bring down his dead tree for nothing.

… the new fence cost him $1500, however.

Well, he can’t have everything!

Well said imhotep.

I helped a mate in Kambah bring down his dead tree for nothing.

… the new fence cost him $1500, however.

This may come as a shock to those of you have have never worked at any job which didn’t involve sitting down, but all ‘tradies’, just like all pubes, are not the same.
1) They have a right to choose who they work for.
2)They have a right to choose how much they will accept for their labour.

To assume that because you pay one ‘tradie’ so much per hour -therefore that is all you should pay someone else (despite the fact that they are doing something totally different) is the height of ignorance.

I’m not a tradie, btw. But when I first came here I had a job where some days I wore a suit and some days I wore fluoro. The difference in the way I was treated was a real eye-opener.

BerraBoy68 said :

Why these clowns bother to go to peoples homes and waste both parties time by talking about the work to be done with no intention of ever providing a quote is beyond me. From talking to others this is a frequent problem in Canberra across the trades. As it is I’ve had to break a golden rule of mine and hire a mate to build my deck.

erm. I hate to say this, but I have heard (from many of the buggers themselves) that they like to check out the job first, and the customer! Coming out to do a quote gives them a chance to have a look. They have so much work available, they can pick and choose.

IIRC, I called a number of arborists in Canberra and found that Lachlan from Tree Tops came in with the cheapest/quickest quote more then once. I just checked outside and the trees are definately gone so I would reccomend him for tree removal.

Also you should think about how much Mulch ripping bits off the tree is gonna make. We have like a tonne of it lying there because we said we’d be happy to keep it.

Here’s a list of ActewAGL Acredited Tree Surgeons
http://www.actewagl.com.au/safety/powerlines/treeSurgeon.aspx

Good luck! I hope you don’t get one of those b*stard Tree Surgeons who forgets that people don’t like it when their flowers get stomped on in the pursuit of efficient tree removal.

tylersmayhem4:37 pm 18 Nov 08

Some very interesting points. In my mind I think insurance would be pretty much the same for a tree dude or a sparky. Tree falling on houses, or owners of houses being electrocuted due to a mistake are both pretty on par I’d think. As for the availability of arborists, people must have to use them often enough. It seems I need to book a good week or 2 in advance.

That sounds pretty fair.

Tree sugrery ain’t cheap, and the cheap stuff ends up costing you.
But its a peak period for tree surgery right now, everyone wants their trees sorted before the summer storms roll in.

Where’s the job that needs doing?

Tree surgeons have a lot more wear and tear on their tools and safety equipment. Potential, a lot of things can go wrong for them. If he has to climb the tree, then he should have another person on the job.

Ive worked both tree surgery and electrical. I always came home totally wrecked from the tree surgery.

Sounds like a pretty good quote to me.

I know people that will do the job for a slab of VB

Should have been southside after the fires TM. We actually had arborists knocking on our door asking if we wanted trees taken down.

I find having tradies provide a quote to be the biggest challenge. I’m having a deck built at my place and after having had several ‘chippies’ come over in September to measure up I’m still waiting for any quote to arrive either by e-mail or snail mail.

Why these clowns bother to go to peoples homes and waste both parties time by talking about the work to be done with no intention of ever providing a quote is beyond me. From talking to others this is a frequent problem in Canberra across the trades. As it is I’ve had to break a golden rule of mine and hire a mate to build my deck.

Whatever the deal, I’d quite happily pay any tradesman double if he would bother to f%^vking turn up on time.

I think that c’ may be onto something. Also, insurance is actually a pretty big part of a arborists costs, due to the possibility of dropping a tree right on a house….

Is there a “valid until xxxx” date on the quote TM? I’m willing to bet that the cost of your tree surgeon will vary according to the time of year and how busy they are. Many people are looking at tidying up their places at this time of year but relatively fewer in the depths of winter for instance.

What would you hear more often – ‘I had to call an arborist’, as opposed to ‘I had to call a sparky’? Therein lies the answer, I suspect.

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