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Welcome to Club Town. Would you like something better?

By johnboy - 11 May 2012 11

Labor’s Minister for Poker Machines Joy Burch has taken the time to congratulate Vikings Clubs ACT Awards winners:

Bryant Howie, is the Sports and Community Manager with the Vikings Group and has been named the Young Achiever while Ray Sweeny, a long-serving director of the Vikings Group, has been recognised with the Outstanding Service Award for his significant ongoing contribution to that club.

But for those few who think that fleecing the innumerate as a stupidity tax is a poor way to fund a moderately priced chicken schnitty we have these chilling words:

Canberra really is a “club town”

Me, I aspire to living in a better town than one where airport decor and preying on the less intelligent is the basis of society.

Is it time to give up and move?

What’s Your opinion?


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11 Responses to
Welcome to Club Town. Would you like something better?
Felix the Cat 8:44 pm 13 May 12

Paranoid much bearlikesbeer? Sure stuff like that is possible, the same as a jumbo jet could fall out of the sky and kill us as we walk accross the street. Both things are pretty unlikely.

I’ve had my ID scanned by clubs and never received any marketing spam or had my ID stolen.

Shinigami_Josh 6:11 pm 13 May 12

Ben_Dover said :

Never visit clubs, I don’t like them, over-lit drinking barns with mediocre catering and entertainment.

No pubs worthy of the name here either.

Wig and Pen in city west

grunge_hippy 5:27 pm 13 May 12

wow. really? preying on less intelligent?

I have a membership at a few clubs around town… the number of times I have played the pokies in the last 10 years? nil. They don’t interest me.

It’s a cheap meal, the kids can run around in the play area and I know they wont be frowned upon by bogans pretending to be hipsters in Canberra. Where else to you propose we go???

bearlikesbeer 3:08 pm 13 May 12

“Why is scanning proof of identity documents a privacy concern?

Once personal information has been collected by scanning, it becomes digitised and has the potential to be used or disclosed for many other purposes such as direct marketing or the creation of customer databases. Individuals may be concerned that scanned and electronically stored personal information can be matched to personal information held by other organisations. This can create a detailed picture of how they go about their day to day activities.
With the rise of identity crime, there are also legitimate community concerns about possible misuse of personal information, especially with regard to identity information contained on driver’s licences and other proof of identity documents.
Individuals are also concerned that the stored personal information could be compromised through hacking, computer theft or other inappropriate access. Those who steal the personal information may be able to do significant damage to the individual, whether by committing financial, credit card or identity fraud.
Good privacy practices are good for business. Avoiding practices that might create privacy risks, such as routinely or unnecessarily scanning ID, will help promote consumer trust and confidence in the business. It is worth noting that only 18% of individuals feel that it is acceptable for identification documents to be copied in order to obtain entry into licensed premises.”

http://www.privacy.gov.au/materials/types/infosheets/view/6553

Felix the Cat 2:24 pm 13 May 12

damien haas said :

its forced membership. if youre a local, they make you join to gain entry. you cant ‘visit’ without joining. I found the services club had the most flexible approach to this. iirc they had one day memberships.

Many community events are hosted at these places. If you want in, you have to become a member. It is roughly 5 bucks a year for most clubs.

Im in a car club that meets once a month at a pokies club. We sit at a table and eat the increasingly more expensive and decreasingly poor quality meals. I was amazed to find that this pokies club lists our car club as a charity/community group that they support. It is simply not true.

Some months back I went to the Belconnen Labor Club with some interstate visitors. To gain entry they were directed to have their licenses scanned into some labor club database. We went elsewhere. This disgusts me.

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I agree about the meals and the forced membership but the scanning the licence thing is standard practice at many interstate clubs. If you have nothing to hide then it shouldn’t worry you.

Ben_Dover 12:59 pm 13 May 12

Never visit clubs, I don’t like them, over-lit drinking barns with mediocre catering and entertainment.

No pubs worthy of the name here either.

TheDancingDjinn 10:35 am 13 May 12

damien haas said :

its forced membership. if youre a local, they make you join to gain entry. you cant ‘visit’ without joining. I found the services club had the most flexible approach to this. iirc they had one day memberships.

Many community events are hosted at these places. If you want in, you have to become a member. It is roughly 5 bucks a year for most clubs.

Im in a car club that meets once a month at a pokies club. We sit at a table and eat the increasingly more expensive and decreasingly poor quality meals. I was amazed to find that this pokies club lists our car club as a charity/community group that they support. It is simply not true.

Some months back I went to the Belconnen Labor Club with some interstate visitors. To gain entry they were directed to have their licenses scanned into some labor club database. We went elsewhere. This disgusts me.

If its my choice, i choose non-pokies club venues for public meetings, but i wouldn’t nail myself on a cross over it if someone else wants to go there.

You realise those license scanners help in identifying criminals yes? how many pics do we have from poorly shot CCTV with a caption saying ” can anyone please identify…” if they had scanned the persons license they could go through them and get the person they are looking for – your disgust in it is confusing, and makes me think suspiciously of you…

NoAddedMSG 10:31 am 13 May 12

damien haas said :

its forced membership. if youre a local, they make you join to gain entry. you cant ‘visit’ without joining. I found the services club had the most flexible approach to this. iirc they had one day memberships.

Many community events are hosted at these places. If you want in, you have to become a member. It is roughly 5 bucks a year for most clubs.

Im in a car club that meets once a month at a pokies club. We sit at a table and eat the increasingly more expensive and decreasingly poor quality meals. I was amazed to find that this pokies club lists our car club as a charity/community group that they support. It is simply not true.
.

I belong to a smallish special interest group, which meets in a club. By meeting in the club the group 1) doesn’t have to pay to hire a room and 2) the meetings are covered by the club’s insurance, so our group doesn’t have to take out insurance (which would financially cripple the group I suspect.) So while our group doesn’t get directly funded, it is getting a benefit from the club. Potentially, your car club is getting the same insurance benefit from the place you are meeting at.

damien haas 1:20 am 13 May 12

its forced membership. if youre a local, they make you join to gain entry. you cant ‘visit’ without joining. I found the services club had the most flexible approach to this. iirc they had one day memberships.

Many community events are hosted at these places. If you want in, you have to become a member. It is roughly 5 bucks a year for most clubs.

Im in a car club that meets once a month at a pokies club. We sit at a table and eat the increasingly more expensive and decreasingly poor quality meals. I was amazed to find that this pokies club lists our car club as a charity/community group that they support. It is simply not true.

Some months back I went to the Belconnen Labor Club with some interstate visitors. To gain entry they were directed to have their licenses scanned into some labor club database. We went elsewhere. This disgusts me.

If its my choice, i choose non-pokies club venues for public meetings, but i wouldn’t nail myself on a cross over it if someone else wants to go there.

Fender 12:44 am 13 May 12

It really is a club town but that’s because we have no pubs! Sure there are taverns and trendy bars but no real pubs in the joint.
In all honesty, would any of you actually go to a club like Vikings or the Tradies if there was a decent pub nearby? I think not.

aydee 8:03 pm 12 May 12

Is it a club town? Yes it is. Most people that live in Canberra have a membership to at least 1 club.

However, it is stupid and ignorant to equate Club = Pokie User.

It ignores the people that use the clubs for their sports (Cricket, AFL, Union, League, Bowls etc etc)

Is pokies a ‘tax on the poor suckers’? Yup.
Are the horsies a ‘tax on the richer suckers’? Yup.

And it’s interesting that there are more problem gamblers that bet on the horsies than that bet on the machines. It’s just harder to regulate the horsies. You can bet on horsies from home. Pokies need to be in a appropriately licensed venue.

Should there be methods of reducing pokie use? You bet. Will it make a big dent in the number of problem gamblers? No.

If you have the money to prove the point:
Go in with $1000 to a club. Gamble it away in a pokie as fast as you can.
Now go to a TAB with $1000. Gamble it away as fast as you can.

TAB = 1 race. Game over.

TAB = bigger numbers. Faster losses. Faster gains and all that stuff. (It’s why it’s called gambling).

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And now the TL;DR version. Precommitment won’t work. For a brief example: Go to Woden. You have Tradies, Southern Cross Club and Hellenic all within short walking distance. Precommit to one club. Lose. Walk to next club. Precommit. Lose. Walk to next club. Lose.

All it has done is distribute the money between clubs. (Communist Pokies?)
Money would be better spent on helping those in need with better intervention and assistance.

But then.. That’d be accepting that it is a form of addiction (A mental illness if you will). Both sides of parliament are notoriously bad at ignoring advice from professionals in how best to handle this.

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