Welcome to the neighbourhood… Screaming neighbours and what to do about them?

SocialHandGrenade 5 January 2012 117

So let me get this straight. When your neighbour’s have a pesky barking dog that doesn’t shut the hell up, you have some options. There are phone numbers to ring & people who listen & document your complaints, websites & forums with helpful suggestions, organisations such as bark busters who will come to the house, rspca will intervene if they think the animal is being mistreated or ultimately if nothing else works, you can send a piece of bait over the fence mushed into a juicy bit of steak.

What in God’s name do you do when its not the dog that’s the problem, but the horrendously dysfunctional family that NEVER stops screaming abuse at each other. After a string of phone calls & police call outs, it is clear that the cops have no power to do anything, DOC’s have no interest in allocating a case worker to the poor unfortunate children who are subjected to abuse from morning til night (in this case 1am – although I have to say, they can give it almost as good as they get) & it’s virtually impossible to have them removed through Housing ACT.

The swearing is simply intolerable, my interstate visitors are mortified after hearing the soundtrack to our life & I find it incredibly disturbing that my own children have adapted so well they no longer even seem to be affected by it, which I guess is a good thing?

I’d move, but just like there is a bully in every classroom, there is a housing commission property in every street in this town so is it a case of better the devil you know? I know there are good housing families, but sadly they seem to be the exception & not the rule. What do you do?!


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farnarkler farnarkler 8:38 pm 08 Jan 12

You may as well sell up and move elsewhere. Housing ACT won’t be doing anything soon to help you. A couple of notices to vacate and a couple of trips to ACAT won’t stop the problems. Tenants know how to play the game so they won’t be getting evicted.

The Antichrist The Antichrist 6:24 pm 08 Jan 12

Sarni said :

The reason that this situation is continuing is that the principles of urban warfare have not been applied

agree 100%.

Back in the day we called it ‘Urban Counselling’ – an approach that had immediate and sustained effects. Shitheads moved out, calm and tranquility restored to the local area, all residents happy and nobody was actually harmed during the entire process.

Too many bleeding hearts around these days though, that blame everyone except the actual perpertrators of the noise. Funny thing is, if the shouty family were actually confronted by the entire street shouting back at them to SHUT THE F#$K UP during a shouty episode – you would find that the Shouty’s might just take the advice. To do nothing though – just encourages them to shout louder & longer.

KCL KCL 4:38 pm 08 Jan 12

My guess is that the parents are just products of their enviroment who have never been tought or have seen any better from their own parents and the kids have no choice but to become products of their enviroment….so I suggest instead of wingeing is to put away your valuables away for a little while and invite the kids over (cause the parents are probabley a lost cause) for a nice dinner with your own kids so they can actually experience and learn to respect people who actually want to genuinely show them some respect…… if only someone would of done that for the parents you probably wouldn’t have this problem today KILL ‘EM WITH KINDNESS!!!

Sarni Sarni 7:02 am 07 Jan 12

The reason that this situation is continuing is that the principles of urban warfare have not been applied.

Waiting For Godot Waiting For Godot 5:21 pm 06 Jan 12

colourful sydney racing identity said :

johnboy said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

SocialHandGrenade said :

John Laws classic quote “Not all muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are muslim”

Where and when did John Laws say this?

Some evidence from 2004:

http://phorums.com.au/archive/index.php/t-77482-p-2.html

Are there any mainstream media articles attributing the quote to him? I know it is a fave of the Amercian right, but I have no recollection of him saying it.

As far as I know, it was first said by David Oldfield, former One Nation party associate of Pauline Hanson on an anti-Muslim website called Muslim Terrorists, set up in the wake of September 11 2001. John Laws on his radio show recommended the website and pinched the quote from there.

Mysteryman Mysteryman 5:09 pm 06 Jan 12

johnboy said :

And like all poitical parties I’m sure they had great fun writing their own wikipedia entry.

Sinn Fein were the political wing of the IRA and their leadership had most definitely been involved in bombings, shootings, and bank robberies to finance their activities.

I’m not going to get down in the weeds of the long sad violent history of irish national struggle.

But if you don’t think they were terrorists (complete with training in Libya back in the day with *gasp* muslims) then you’re delusional.

By that yardstick that the US Republican party would also be terrorists.

colourful sydney racing identity colourful sydney racing identity 4:51 pm 06 Jan 12

johnboy said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

SocialHandGrenade said :

John Laws classic quote “Not all muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are muslim”

Where and when did John Laws say this?

Some evidence from 2004:

http://phorums.com.au/archive/index.php/t-77482-p-2.html

Are there any mainstream media articles attributing the quote to him? I know it is a fave of the Amercian right, but I have no recollection of him saying it.

    johnboy johnboy 4:53 pm 06 Jan 12

    you’re hardpressed to find anything online from that era.

johnboy johnboy 4:38 pm 06 Jan 12

colourful sydney racing identity said :

SocialHandGrenade said :

John Laws classic quote “Not all muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are muslim”

Where and when did John Laws say this?

Some evidence from 2004:

http://phorums.com.au/archive/index.php/t-77482-p-2.html

colourful sydney racing identity colourful sydney racing identity 4:28 pm 06 Jan 12

SocialHandGrenade said :

John Laws classic quote “Not all muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are muslim”

Where and when did John Laws say this?

SocialHandGrenade SocialHandGrenade 3:59 pm 06 Jan 12

spiderinsider said :

SocialHandGrenade said :

John Laws classic quote “Not all muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are muslim” just came to mind – It seems clear to me “Not all housing tenants are sociopathic neighbours, but all sociopathic neighbours are public housing tenants”. And congratulations Violet, you are doing a great job confirming my theory. Please go ahead & continue to stereotype yourself into a corner. Your doing an awesome job.

JohnBoy, how do I block idiot posts & serial pests on RiotAct like I can on Facebook??

The idiocy of the John Laws quote aside, out of interest how do you know they are public housing tenants? We have some pretty offensive neighbours over our back fence. Lots of swearing and arguing at all hours of the day and night leading to us deciding not to put our baby son in the back bedroom to avoid him having to listen to it. They’re not public housing tenants, but rent from a real estate agent. Sure it’s a sample of one, but I think your comment about sociopathic neighbours might be as accurate as John Laws’ on terrorists.

Having said this, I cam empathise that it’s a crappy situation, and I hope that perseverance with the police and social services will pay off for your sake and their kids’.

Yeesh! It was just a random quote. And you’re right. It was silly. It’s caused more problems than its worth, upset a lot of people & sent my thread off into a really weird tangent. I’m sorry. *holds head in hands*

Of course there are non-muslim terrorists in the world, people in my own family easily fit the criteria. And of course there are sh!tty non-housing neighbours, but the difference there is, usually the landlord actually cares who rents their property & you can deal directly with the owner/property manager/real estate agency who don’t quite have the same red tape to cut through & genuinely don’t want problematic tenants to deal with & there is a financial incentive to ensure the property & area in general retains its value. I know. I was a property manager & I now own a tenanted investment property. There are numerous ways to expel a person from a privately owned rental property if they are a nuisance or not looking after the house/yard. For some stupid reason bad tenants in housing are untouchable & protected from consequences of their actions.

Further to that, to answer your question about whether I’m sure they are housing… yes I am. The teenage daughter from the previous relationship who was pregnant at the time engaged herself into a full police stand off requiring the street to be blocked off. Prior to her being dragged away cuffed in a paddy wagon, for some reason, they actually gave her an opportunity to express what her problem was. Loud enough for the whole neighbourhood to hear, she wailed how unfair it was that her mother & stepfather charged her $40 a week to live with them, which fully covered the weekly rent, so therefore the parents ought to be kicked out of the property cause it was actually her paying the rent & they were living rent free *sigh* $160 a month for a 4 bedroom ensuite home worth around half a million dollars. My mortgage is $900 a week. Living the dream.

I have rung housing & spoken to the area manager, she is doing inspections soon & will raise the issue of noise complaints & unhappy neighbours with them & also keep an eye out regarding my concerns of the children. I will also lodge a formal complaint to back it up. I have rung child services, the lady I spoke to assured me she would be passing the file to her senior manager & have my details to call me if they need any further clarification. Fingers crossed they will soon be allocated a case worker. The local police whole heartedly assured me that ‘no one’ down at the station will think of me as a serial pest even if I ring them daily as they are well aware of the family & know they are trouble. The policeman I spoke to knows the children well, assured me they are ‘tough-skinned’ & its only a matter of time before they become the police’s problem as they will never be functioning member of society. How reassuring. Not much more I can do really. 90% sure I witnessed a drug deal yesterday but I’m torn between making their life difficult or just trying to mind my own business & concentrating on my own sheltered existence. Really don’t enjoy peeking through curtains, feeling like I’m Mrs Mangel & calling the cops for any little reason.

Amanda Hugnkiss. A thousand times – Thankyou. You understand me. You understand what I’m dealing with. I appreciate that so much.

Chop71 Chop71 2:39 pm 06 Jan 12

Jim Jones said :

chewy14 said :

Funny that.

I can’t remember breaking into anyone’s house, stealing their stuff or raping them.

But as a white male I know I must be at fault somehow. Sorry.

You’ll get over it.

I am

Now get back to work ppl

EvanJames EvanJames 2:19 pm 06 Jan 12

Amanda Hugankis said :

+ Eleventy-billion.

Jim Jones Jim Jones 2:07 pm 06 Jan 12

chewy14 said :

Funny that.

I can’t remember breaking into anyone’s house, stealing their stuff or raping them.

But as a white male I know I must be at fault somehow. Sorry.

You’ll get over it.

chewy14 chewy14 1:59 pm 06 Jan 12

Funny that.

I can’t remember breaking into anyone’s house, stealing their stuff or raping them.

But as a white male I know I must be at fault somehow. Sorry.

colourful sydney racing identity colourful sydney racing identity 1:43 pm 06 Jan 12

Chop71 said :

NoImRight said :

Depends on defintions. Id say anyone who comes into my country uninvited, sets up its own Government, shoots civilians at random,imprisons without even a show trial,rapes and robs as it sees fit, is accountable only to itself and hides all actions under a need for secrecy is pretty close. Now who has done that…….?

F@#$% off

We said “Sorry”

Now get over it

So, someone can come into your house, take what they want to, kill who they want to, rape who they want to, say sorry and then you will ‘get over it’?

Amanda Hugankis Amanda Hugankis 1:31 pm 06 Jan 12

Siiiiiigh. Why should the OP have to be the one to ‘manage’ the issue for those that can’t manage themselves? Sounds to me that they have so far done what makes reasonable sense in terms of reporting the situation to whoever might need to know and can take action on the behalf of all involved. But you suggest they could do more? In fact you seem to infer that if they do not, they’re somehow not worthy of living in the community because their expectations of suburban peace and quiet are somehow unreasonable?

Violet68 you are full of suggestions for all the work and time that the OP could further invest JUST SO they can live peacefully in their own home. There is no acknowledgement from Violet68 that perhaps … just perhaps … the ‘shouty’ family should take a small amount of personal responsibility for their impact on others should THEY wish to live in the community with everyone else. Allowing for the fact that they might not be as capable in this area as others for whatever their reasons may be, I still can’t stomach the idea that everyone else in the community should take more responsibility for helping them through their problems and being considerate of others than they themselves must take … how does that help them long-term?

Apparent violence and abuse aside in this situation, if the ‘shouty’ family wish to be shouty, why don’t THEY opt to move to the country, where they can be as shouty as they please without imposing on others in the community? Violet68 – why should it ONLY be up to everyone else to tolerate, be considerate of, make efforts, put their minds to coming up with solutions and suggestions, walk a mile in shouty shoes, and so on and so forth, just to live in their homes without fear or a reasonable level of peace (yes, fear – you do seem educated enough to realise that violence does have an affect on the mental health of those that have to witness/hear it within a neighbourhood)? Where is the acknowledgement that the shouties should be making their own attempts to avail themselves of the services you propose the OP should be letting them know about (let’s ignore the fact that these services are sadly overstretched and that DCVS won’t just ‘send someone round’ on a snap! … oh if only they could … they’re over-run and unable to handle any more on their plates as it is)?

I am accused by most of my own friends and family of being too much of a bleeding heart and allowing too much benefit of the doubt in a lot of cases. Violet68 I guess that’s all you’re trying to do also … but in this situation, ‘tolerating’ such a situation does not benefit anyone short or long term. Indeed, it sounds like the OP is fairly tolerant so far … and is looking for solutions that don’t mean they take on having to solve problems for other families. Tolerance is one thing, but its not a bottomless pit and if I had kids of my own forced to listen to a family like that every night as they go off to sleep … I’d find the fact that I could not protect them from having to be exposed to that more upsetting than anything. Where are their rights to peace in their own home?

NoImRight NoImRight 1:11 pm 06 Jan 12

poetix said :

Mully.
Or should that be El Mully?
Or even O’Mully?

Mullywood.

poetix poetix 12:57 pm 06 Jan 12

Mully.
Or should that be El Mully?
Or even O’Mully?

Jim Jones Jim Jones 12:35 pm 06 Jan 12

Chop71 said :

NoImRight said :

Depends on defintions. Id say anyone who comes into my country uninvited, sets up its own Government, shoots civilians at random,imprisons without even a show trial,rapes and robs as it sees fit, is accountable only to itself and hides all actions under a need for secrecy is pretty close. Now who has done that…….?

F@#$% off

We said “Sorry”

Now get over it

So it’s okay if I kill your children and rape your wife … just as long as I say sorry afterwards?

Jim Jones Jim Jones 12:34 pm 06 Jan 12

dungfungus said :

Jim Jones says: “The only possibilities I could think of are (a) ingrained bigotry (b) basic lack of numeracy and comprehension skills (i.e. stupidity).

My money’s on (c) all of the above.

dungfungus said :

Jim Jones said :

SocialHandGrenade said :

John Laws classic quote “Not all muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are muslim” just came to mind

All Terrorists are Muslims…Except the 94% that Aren’t: http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/01/not-all-terrorists-are-muslims/

There are about 1 billion Muslims in the world so I feel somewhat relieved now that you tell me only 6 million are terrorists. It only took about 10 to kill over 3,000 people on 9/11. Yes, there is no problem now, silly me.

“6% of terrorists are Muslims.” How on earth could you possibly mistake that for “6% of Muslims are terrorists”?

The only possibilities I could think of are (a) ingrained bigotry (b) basic lack of numeracy and comprehension skills (i.e. stupidity).

My money’s on (c) all of the above.

Where is (c) Mr. Jones?

You’re not exactly the sparkliest penny in the fountain, are you?

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