Who do you think killed Colin Winchester?

In other words you got nothin’

I’m simply suggesting we keep an open mind. I’ve been told by a credible person about an alternative, although I have no means of independently verifying the claim. Given I’m not going to divulge more details, I’ll just leave it at that.

georgesgenitals said :

vg said :

georgesgenitals said :

Eastman didn’t kill him. There’s more to the story than meets the eye.

Do tell Sherlock, do tell

Methinks you doth protest too much…

Cops here seem almost rabid in their assertion that Eastman did it. A court finding does not change reality.

Good one. Now prove otherwise. Why shouldn’t the court result be believed? What is the alternate reality we should all embrace?

I-filed said :

BerraBoy68 said :

For mine I believe that a conspiracy of which you speak would require almost the entire AFP at the time, the legal and criminal fraternity to keep schtumm on an inside job. No way. Not in this country, not now, not ever.

The New South Wales system did exactly that, equally largescale if not more so, for about 20 years …

but the truth came out eventually as I’m sure it would have by now on Eastman had there been any conspiracy.

vg said :

georgesgenitals said :

Eastman didn’t kill him. There’s more to the story than meets the eye.

Do tell Sherlock, do tell

Methinks you doth protest too much…

Cops here seem almost rabid in their assertion that Eastman did it. A court finding does not change reality.

BerraBoy68 said :

For mine I believe that a conspiracy of which you speak would require almost the entire AFP at the time, the legal and criminal fraternity to keep schtumm on an inside job. No way. Not in this country, not now, not ever.

The New South Wales system did exactly that, equally largescale if not more so, for about 20 years …

If the Police were so entrenched in the drug trade and covering each others arses so much then why are they all not driving around in ferraris etc. CAn’t say I’ve seen it.

georgesgenitals said :

Eastman didn’t kill him. There’s more to the story than meets the eye.

Do tell Sherlock, do tell

Sorry I-Filed, that’s a bridge too far. For mine I believe that a conspiracy of which you speak would require almost the entire AFP at the time, the legal and criminal fraternity to keep schtumm on an inside job. No way. Not in this country, not now, not ever.

I know a few people that worked in the AFP at the time, one at a very senior level, and to be honest I can’t believe that none of them would have raised this as an issue at some point in the past had this theory been true. More to the point, I think there would be many AFP folk, as well as his family, interested in bringing those that actually did kill Winchester to justice. Not everybody buy’s into a conspiracy, esp one of this magnitude.

As for McKay’s murderer, I’d say a fair few people know who did it. There’s even a fairly well known ex-politician (now deceased) who had been implicated (Hint – think loud ties, and there is a statue of him here in Canberra).

Eastman didn’t kill him. There’s more to the story than meets the eye.

I-filed said :

Marselos may not be talking through his hat. There is a particular shady retired senior Canberran, not a former direct employee of the AFP but a former employee of a related govt organisation, whose daughter heard snippets over the years, which she reported to close friends as she grew older and understood the implications more. One of the “snippets” was that her dad, and his equivalents in the AFP, know and have always known the identity of Donald McKay’s murderer.

Eastman may well be a hideous character, but he may well have been framed.

Anyone who knows the story of NSW Inc and the extent of the corruption, and things like the murder of Warren LanFranchi by Roger Rogerson, and the later murder of Sally-Anne Huckstepp, would not think it’s farfetched to report that the AFP, too, were utterly complicit in the Griffith drug trade and many other criminal activities, and happily framed Eastman.

You have been watcing too much TV…

“One of the “snippets” was that her dad, and his equivalents in the AFP, know and have always known the identity of Donald McKay’s murderer.”

Indeed, and someone was successfully prosecuted for their involvement in it.

“There is a particular shady retired senior Canberran, not a former direct employee of the AFP but a former employee of a related govt organisation, whose daughter heard snippets over the years, which she reported to close friends as she grew older and understood the implications more.”

My cousin’s brothers aunties best mates sister’s boyfriend told me all about it.

Tin foil hats off people.

Eastman did it

That is pure bollocks. he has been represented throughout his proceedings. Sacked plenty on the way but at various stages represented by high level silks.

If you actually know what evidence was presented in the Court, not base it on innuendo or what you read in the CT, your picture would be clearer. A lot of comment being made on this by people who know 2/5ths of f all about it, or were in high/primary school when it all happened and was prosecuted.

It’s easy to get acquitted in the ACT. When someone gets convicted of a crime as grave as this it actually says something about the evidence, and how the judge treated it. Guilty and a life sentence, where he should be

Marselos may not be talking through his hat. There is a particular shady retired senior Canberran, not a former direct employee of the AFP but a former employee of a related govt organisation, whose daughter heard snippets over the years, which she reported to close friends as she grew older and understood the implications more. One of the “snippets” was that her dad, and his equivalents in the AFP, know and have always known the identity of Donald McKay’s murderer.

Eastman may well be a hideous character, but he may well have been framed.

Anyone who knows the story of NSW Inc and the extent of the corruption, and things like the murder of Warren LanFranchi by Roger Rogerson, and the later murder of Sally-Anne Huckstepp, would not think it’s farfetched to report that the AFP, too, were utterly complicit in the Griffith drug trade and many other criminal activities, and happily framed Eastman.

Without wanting to buy into the whole debate – I do recall some reporting on the judgement in our esteemed local rag, the crux of which was that the judge made a number of comments relating to the shambolic nature of Eastman’s defence, that could be interpreted as an observation that had he not chosen to defend himself, a rather diferent outcome may have been possible.

“Who do you think killed Colin Winchester?”

David Harold Eastman…..and the judge thought it as well.

That’s all folks

Back on your meds, Mr Marselos.

Wow…

Colin Winchester was murdered soon after a friend of mine told him about the police in their area dealing drugs which had destroyed her daughters life, he said he would investigate her allegations but was murdered.

My friend Alan Downie was murdered after he named the 2 police officers who supplied drugs to the dealer in NSW who he and friends drugged up, gang raped and murdered 17 yo Alison Newstead, Alan said they would never be charged because they sell drugs for the pigs, so farher murder remains unresolved even though the police know who murdered her as they may have supplied the drugs injected into her.

My friend Charlene Drayton was abducted by 2 police officers and gang raped when she was 15 yo, they told her they would kill her if she told anyone, she was murdered soon after telling myself and a few close friends.

The police involved in these crimes are still free to murder other people as our goverment protects corrupt police even allowing them to investiage and cover up their own crimes.

Who murdered Winchester, Downie, Drayton, Newstead as the corroner covered up Downie and Drayton murders when evidence was supplied to them they said they would investigate.

I have had bulletts fired through my house after I had all the headsof the police put into the PIC over using 12 yo girls as child prostitutes, these crimes were caught on video and covered up by the authorities the PIC claiming its normal good police work for police to use deceit when sent video evidence of these crimes.

How can anyone trust police investigate other police when they don’t even class the drugging up and gang raping of 12 yo girls as a crime but normal good police work…can supply the PIC and the corroners response to back up my allegations.

I beleive the police had a much bigger motive to murder Winchester then Eastman as Winchester was investigating their multi million dollar drug traffiking organizations run by the police, some of these police are still involved in organized crime and are still threatening to jail me if I try and bring my evidence to court against them, the UN got rid of Costa, Watkins and Iemma 1 month after sending a 15 page afidavit to the UN in August 2008, can send anyone a copy of this affidavitt if they requiest it…thank you David Marselos

lol

I’m not sure that the homeless men (the ones on the street) hang out together much, unless someone makes them. IN Civic, there was Mr Cardboard, and Mr Cigarette Butts (he usually had a sleeping bag). I’m pretty sure they weren’t friends. Mr Cardboard was usually fighting with his imaginary friend.

puzzlepunk said :

I recall as a youngin of almost legal drinking age, that my mates and myself during our late night escapades avoiding parents and police alike, we would often run into; to put it lightly, toothless, rambling, homeless, insane, mad men who may or may not have had a drop to drink. Now these men would often regale us with the “truth” about the Winchester murder, and list names, dates, motives, alibis and other forms of evidence that proved Eastman was being framed by the police and also ask us for any spare cigarettes.

only being 16-17 I didn’t know much about the court case or the circumstances of the murder, but if I’ve learnt anything from movies is that if a bunch of homeless weirdo’s all share the same secret then it must be true.

LOL

Defence lawyer: “Your honour, I would like to call an expert witness please?”

Judge: “Who is your witness?”

Defence lawyer: “I have a homeless man here you Honour. He has been sitting around with other homeless men, drinking themselves into a stuper and they have all come to the same conclusion and have the answer to this conspiracy theory. Incidentally, your honour, they also know who killed JFK if your interested ?”

Next – Hobopedia, the definitive replacement for wikipedia, online soon……

I recall as a youngin of almost legal drinking age, that my mates and myself during our late night escapades avoiding parents and police alike, we would often run into; to put it lightly, toothless, rambling, homeless, insane, mad men who may or may not have had a drop to drink. Now these men would often regale us with the “truth” about the Winchester murder, and list names, dates, motives, alibis and other forms of evidence that proved Eastman was being framed by the police and also ask us for any spare cigarettes.

only being 16-17 I didn’t know much about the court case or the circumstances of the murder, but if I’ve learnt anything from movies is that if a bunch of homeless weirdo’s all share the same secret then it must be true.

He wore a funny hat. He must have done it.

He lived in jerilderie court, one block up ainslie ave from argyle square/apartments.

Toots dunnit.

shauno said :

At the early stages of his trial when he was still on bail he use to walk past the Canberra Centre up the road going to his house in Reid or where ever it was and the Security guards use to yell out “Eastman your a murderer”. Looking back on it now it might not have been a smart thing to do knowing what he’s capable of.

He had a townhouse in that development fronting Ainslie Avenue, in the first block from Civic (behind Bega Flats, something Court, plainish brick places of several levels). He had it on public housing, from memory. There were stories of him harassing and frightening his neighbours.

As for the security guards, they knew he wouldn’t attack them, and in fact they possibly hoped he’d have a go. They probably had to deal with his on-going activities and knew exactly what he was.

David Eastman has always struck me as an archetypical Canberran.

“I know my rights! I know my rights!”

@ #7 So our justice system is infallible ??

I think not ! Bullsh1t happens. Not saying it necessarily happened here, but…….???

At the early stages of his trial when he was still on bail he use to walk past the Canberra Centre up the road going to his house in Reid or where ever it was and the Security guards use to yell out “Eastman your a murderer”. Looking back on it now it might not have been a smart thing to do knowing what he’s capable of.

Is this Canberra’s version of JFK?

vg said :

Doesn’t matter what we think. It matters what a properly convened court with apprporiately submitted evidence thinks.

And before people get all uppity about the evidential part, unless you spent significant time in that courtroom your opinion is moot.

Yep

barry ottor said :

I think every force needs a Royal Commission every decade or so. Gets rid of ***most of*** the bad eggs and sorts out a complacent culture and leadership.

Yep

I deleted the bits I don’t agree/know about

*** added that bit to make my position clear

bd84 said :

Kenny Koala in the library with the candle stick

NOW THAT, made me laugh.

Well done that man 😉

“L’Onorata had the AFP in their pocket for most of the 80s (and beyond)”

Bullshit, but at least we know something now. An ex-statie with a grudge.

“We had Justice Wood and got sorted out. “

Yeah, the 60 Minutes show on the riot squad really demonstrated how the culture got straightened out.

Kenny Koala in the library with the candle stick

We have as much right to discuss this as people do in regards to acquittals and light sentences.

I had a chap working for me who took early retirement from the cops after Winchester was murdered. I tried to dig it out of him whether it was the mafia or in fact David H, but he’d just look mysterious and give an evasive answer.

David H. was a regular customer of our office for years and I rather hoped he’d take a swing at me because a jury woudl never convict if I belted him, but for some reason he never tried it.

L’Onorata had the AFP in their pocket for most of the 80s (and beyond). We had Justice Wood and got sorted out. For the Feds it was business as usual. I think every force needs a Royal Commission every decade or so. Gets rid of the bad eggs and sorts out a complacent culture and leadership.

“But I am wondering who paid for all of his appeals?”

If you are a taxpayer a glance in the mirror will answer that for you

His sentence is for life without parole.

Those were the days.

I have been told that back in the 1980’s Mr Eastman attended a lecture at the ANU. Well as soon as Eastman walked in, the lecture screamed at him to get out.

But I am wondering who paid for all of his appeals? Also does anyone know when he is due to be released?

Given that Eastman has appealed his conviction through every possible legal opportunity without success, it seems unquestionable that he committed the crime.

Eastman was, and probably still is, a thoroughly nasty piece of work. My father had cause to smack him in the mouth and throw him out his office one day when my father came back from a meeting to find Eastman beating the crap out of someone else in the office.

I can’t say for certain that Eastman did murder the late Mr Winchester (I wasn’t there), but our court system says he did, and that’ll do me. I can’t see any reason for the police to lie and let a real killer go free just to put a nutcase away.

I also knew Col quite well via the credit union movement and his death came as a hell of a shock. Whether Eastman did it or not is really irrelevant, he was tried and convicted and that’s that. Speculation isn’t going to change anything.

Kenny Koala

Hilarious….

When is something going to be done about these ‘Reptoids’?

This story is really inappropriate.

Doesn’t matter what we think. It matters what a properly convened court with apprporiately submitted evidence thinks.

And before people get all uppity about the evidential part, unless you spent significant time in that courtroom your opinion is moot.

Colin Winchester was a workmate of family members and a close family friend. To rehash this tripe is a disgrace. Grow up a bit JB. I thought you were better than this crap.

The Court (and judge only so he had better than an average shot at acquittal in this town) said so, and a magistrate thought sufficient evidence came out of a coronial to skip the whole committal process to put it straight to trial

Are you serious????