23 October 2008

Worse than 'ice' hits the streets?

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Anyone heard of the latest drug doing the rounds in Canberra that apparently is worse than ‘ice’ and makes people more aggressive than those using ice?

Scary stuff.

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VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy9:03 pm 02 Nov 08

Sure, why not? In fact, why don’t we arrange health insurance like all other insurances, where the higher risk persons pay more? Then you can build up a no claim bonus!

Who’s read High Society by Ben Elton…

Snorting whiskey makes me gag.

Going to make fat slobs pay back their medical debts too?

How about hang gliders?

And please, explain to me the functional (not pharmaceutical) difference between a shot of whisky and a line of cocaine?

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy5:58 pm 02 Nov 08

Maybe we should just legalise everything. It’s only the idiots who abuse substances who are going to be affected anyway. When people injure themselves, treat them, and use a HECS-like government loan arrangement to make them pay off their medical debt via the tax system. After all, noone forced them to take this crap.

It’s worth noting here that there are plenty of people around (like me) who don’t believe in illicit substance use. This opinion is just as valid as the people who want illegal drugs legalised.

johnboy said :

fizzy drinks in little tins would be my first guess.

LOL. I once tried to play a competitive game of lawn bowls after about 4 Red Bulls. What a waste of time and effort that turned out to be.

Once it was legalised more social methods of consumption would become commonplace.

fizzy drinks in little tins would be my first guess.

Just say no! The go and get drunk…

Seriously, at least with alcohol and other legal drugs the ingredients are known and advertised on the packages etc.. As a society we’re starting to acknowledge and deal with the anti-social behavior that goes with drinking and smoking (and dare I say gambling (also addictive)).

I don’t think legalising drugs is the answer though and no, I don’t know what is. I just can’t see anybody creating a situation where you can go into a chemist and buy a packet of condoms, six E’s and packet of Ice (or however the hell they sell it).

farnarkler said :

We had a case here in London some time ago where a couple had been on heroin and the woman was found with most of her teeth pulled out. The police arrested her partner but when she came down off the hit, she admitted to doing it to herself. According to her statement she thought the devil was in her teeth so she got some pliers and tore them out.

Can’t say I’ve ever heard of a drunk going quite that far.

Neither have i, they were actually on Ketamine at the time.

We had a case here in London some time ago where a couple had been on heroin and the woman was found with most of her teeth pulled out. The police arrested her partner but when she came down off the hit, she admitted to doing it to herself. According to her statement she thought the devil was in her teeth so she got some pliers and tore them out.

Can’t say I’ve ever heard of a drunk going quite that far.

I should also add that not everyone goes out and drinks to get drunk. There are people there (like me) who actually likes the taste, and whilst yes the intoxicated feel can be fun (especially when I was 18) it’s not necessary the primary reason to drink.

Drugs on the other hand from what I know the purpose is to get high, or have a certain feeling or effect come over them. It’s not usually about the taste (especially injection type drugs where there is no taste)

Interesting. I should also add that not everyone takes drugs to get totally wasted, or escape from reality. There are people who actually like a mild buzz or trip, and whilst yes getting more smashed can be fun (especially when with a group of close friends in a comfortable, safe and controlled environment), it’s not necessarily the primary reason to take illicit substances.

Alcohol, on the other hand, it’s purpose is to intoxicate, specifically to make the person uncoordinated, agressive, and reckless. It’s not usually about the taste (why do alcopop makers go to such great lengths to disguise the flavour of rum, vodka, or bourbon).

I’m only being slightly facetious. I think the take-home lesson here is “everything in moderation”.

Why do most people “use” then? To me the answers are universal across all drugs.

dexi said :

Harvyk There is taste and smell with injecting drug use.

Maybe so, but it’s not the reason (most) people use it.

NoAddedMSG said :

Ketamine has been shown to provide instant relief from the symptoms of depression, and the effects last up to a week. It is a pity about the other dissociative effects, the ability to relieve someone’s acute symptoms straight away while you wait the couple of weeks it takes for the anti-depressants to kick in would be a useful thing for doctors to have.

Really? I don’t suppose you have a source for this or any idea what the theories behind its effects are(not having a dig, just a genuine interest in the matter)?

Deadmandrinking said :

So what was the new drug?

Oh yeah, the OP.

Perhaps it is the realisation that the Greens will now have a greater degree of power in this town?

This seems to be bringing out the aggression in many commentators around these parts, one way or the other.

Deadmandrinking6:01 pm 24 Oct 08

You’re an expert at rounding things down, my friend.

Dunno, but it killed River Phoenix

Deadmandrinking5:38 pm 24 Oct 08

So what was the new drug?

yebbut, the ‘effect’ of say a heroin hit to a regular junkie is to make hir feel ‘normal’ and able to function pretty well as normally as you or me (assuming neither of us is an addict) without any drugs in our system, so ‘getting high’ or an equivalent is not always the intention of imbibing a drug.

Harvyk There is taste and smell with injecting drug use.

Astrojax. Yes. Well said.

I should also add that not everyone goes out and drinks to get drunk. There are people there (like me) who actually likes the taste, and whilst yes the intoxicated feel can be fun (especially when I was 18) it’s not necessary the primary reason to drink.

Drugs on the other hand from what I know the purpose is to get high, or have a certain feeling or effect come over them. It’s not usually about the taste (especially injection type drugs where there is no taste)

fnaah said :

Harvyk, didn’t a recent report indicate that 50% of parents had tried marijuana at least once?

I’ll leave it as an exercise for you to find out how many people have died or been hospitalised as a direct result of marijuana use.

(disclaimer: i’m not a stoner, tried it once or twice but didn’t like it. I also dislike arbitrary restriction of liberty.)

I didn’t say marijuana because that’s usually more socially acceptable. People may either mistake it for a normal ciggie (unless they recognize the smell), or don’t really care .

I’m not saying that alcohol is free from problems, but I don’t think it’s the be all and end all of societies problems that some people are saying.

Druggies should have the same rights as drinkers

actually, it is conflation of nomenclature like this we need to get rid of if we’re to really tackle the problems of all drugs in the community, esp the legal ones. alcohol is a drug, therefore, problem drinkers (or even moderate ones, depending on what a ‘druggie’ is to you) are ‘druggies’, no?

I once thought I was a mushroom, for an instant or three, but my mates ridiculed me out of that belief.

went into my psych and told him i thought i was a dog. he asked how long i’d felt like this; i told him, ‘ever since i was a puppy’.

i also understand ‘special k’ to be a pretty debilitating – a friend’s dad was on the kitchen floor for over thirty hours, unable to move but pretty well conscious that he was unable to move but not particularly perturbed by his immobility for most of the time, boring after a while, he recounted. doesn’t immediately spring out as a ‘must do’ to me… that and the countless deaths from o.d.’s reported…

If you banned alcohol then you might see a lot more people turning up in hospital with poisoning from home brew. Just like you see with illegal drugs. Ice is never the same it comes in batches made by cooks in primitive conditions, as are most illegal drugs. When you remove one cook another pops up and maybe he/she is not as good. Remove one drug and another pops up.

We either have prohibition for all drugs or we don’t. This half arsed approach is just divisive. You can not compare statistics when only one drug is freely available and the rest are made in back yards by criminals. They all have poor outcomes when abused.

If we are happy with banning drugs, then alcohol should be included, if only for the massive amount of violence that it produces. Druggies should have the same rights as drinkers. They both are doing substances to get out of it.

Like “what is likelyhood of significant negative health impacts as a result of useage?”. If you just used “how many people have died” as a criteria, then a case could be made for banning the sea, because lots of people die via drowning……

Well, exactly. Nobody has banned the sea, and nobody has banned alcohol, yet salvia divinorum, magic mushrooms, LSD, MDMA, and a raft of other things are Schedule 9. Why the double standard?

NoAddedMSG said :

But there is more to determining the dangers of a substance than just “how many people have died from it?”. Like “what is likelyhood of significant negative health impacts as a result of useage?”. If you just used “how many people have died” as a criteria, then a case could be made for banning the sea, because lots of people die via drowning……

absolutely. how many people have lost their families, jobs, homes due to a drug addiction including alcohol?

why aren’t the figures for these scenarios easily available?

But there is more to determining the dangers of a substance than just “how many people have died from it?”. Like “what is likelyhood of significant negative health impacts as a result of useage?”. If you just used “how many people have died” as a criteria, then a case could be made for banning the sea, because lots of people die via drowning……

I’ve talked to a couple of people who used ketamine. They told me of mild colour hallucinations/distortions and that it was quite pleasent.

Until they had a bit too much, and went into a “K-Hole”

They then described a pretty horrific experience. One watching his girlfriends flesh rot off her face and having portals to other dimensions opening and thinking he was going to get sucked in. He said that it got to the stage where he “just accepted that he was in Hell”. I don’t think Ketamine is known for causing aggression, but I could be wrong.

PCP/Angel Dust I only remember from researching in Health class at school. Given that it was at school it was all horrible horrible stories and finger waggling, but I think even through all that it was one to stay away from.

justbands said :

> I’m surprised the death toll was that high.

Haha, exactly! My wife & I both wondered how exactly that person managed it.

Too lazy to breathe?

> I’m surprised the death toll was that high.

Haha, exactly! My wife & I both wondered how exactly that person managed it.

justbands said :

The BMJ recently published a study into deaths as the result of marijuana usage in the UK….they found one. Obviously very dangerous, should remain prohibited.

I’m surprised the death toll was that high.

The BMJ recently published a study into deaths as the result of marijuana usage in the UK….they found one. Obviously very dangerous, should remain prohibited.

Harvyk, didn’t a recent report indicate that 50% of parents had tried marijuana at least once?

I’ll leave it as an exercise for you to find out how many people have died or been hospitalised as a direct result of marijuana use.

(disclaimer: i’m not a stoner, tried it once or twice but didn’t like it. I also dislike arbitrary restriction of liberty.)

> Ask the same group of people if they have done cocaine and I’d except most would say no.

How about Marijuana?

& I’ve got nothing against alcohol as such, my argument is for less prohibition of other things, not for tighter controls on alcohol.

New Yeah said :

I once thought I was a mushroom, for an instant or three, but my mates ridiculed me out of that belief.

They obviously thought you were already a fun-guy.

Since the alcohol is a bad drug thing has come up has anyone in the “alcohol is bad” group took a good look at the figures. Yes more people may be hospitalized or worse due to alcohol, but it’s also a socially acceptable drug, which means that a much larger percentage of the community “uses” it.

Ask the Adult population of Australia if they have had a drink in their life time and whilst I don’t know the exact figures I’d expect most of them would say yes. Ask the same group of people if they have done cocaine and I’d except most would say no.

It’s because alcohol is socially acceptable simple laws of statistics state there will be more people affected by it.

You want proof, sit down at a cafe in the City and order a beer or wine (especially with lunch) and they will get it for you without batting an eye lid. Try sitting down at a cafe and shooting up, not only would you be asked to leave, they’d probably call the coppers.

It’s amazing how figures can be twisted around to push whatever point you’d like. As they say, there are three types of lies, – lies, damned lies and statistics.

Ketamine has been shown to provide instant relief from the symptoms of depression, and the effects last up to a week. It is a pity about the other dissociative effects, the ability to relieve someone’s acute symptoms straight away while you wait the couple of weeks it takes for the anti-depressants to kick in would be a useful thing for doctors to have.

I once thought I was a mushroom, for an instant or three, but my mates ridiculed me out of that belief.

Piratemonkey said :

A recent study in the UK ranks alcohol as the 5th worst drug when it comes to personal harm, harm to society and addictiveness.

And yummyness. Scores top on that! Especially beer. (except Fourex).

I bet that Ice stuff doesn’t taste half as good. Unless it’s Hahn Ice.

fnaah said :

I wasn’t opining one way or another about ice, salvia, or the combination thereof (which indeed sounds daft to me too – okay, now i’m opining). I was just pointing out that some good ideas, had while affected, aren’t necessarily good.

There are plenty of people who take ice who *are* stupid enough to mix it with just about anything (including, sadly, depressants like alcohol and predisposition to aggression and/or psychosis.)

Yeah fair enough mate, sorry I misunderstood.

fnaah said :

Peterh, a story came out of last year’s BDO (via an interview with one of the St John’s volunteers on JJJ) that an irish backpacker with tourette’s syndrome took his first pill at the event. It didn’t do anything, so he took another, then another. Problem was, he only waited five minutes before deciding they didn’t do anything.

About an hour later, he was apparently convinced he was a monkey (a swearing, Irish monkey, of course), and they had to coax him into an ambulance with a banana.

This could well be BS, but it beats the orange story hands-down for comedy value. 🙂

HAHA. I think this story and the orange story are very amusing.

Peterh, a story came out of last year’s BDO (via an interview with one of the St John’s volunteers on JJJ) that an irish backpacker with tourette’s syndrome took his first pill at the event. It didn’t do anything, so he took another, then another. Problem was, he only waited five minutes before deciding they didn’t do anything.

About an hour later, he was apparently convinced he was a monkey (a swearing, Irish monkey, of course), and they had to coax him into an ambulance with a banana.

This could well be BS, but it beats the orange story hands-down for comedy value. 🙂

I wasn’t opining one way or another about ice, salvia, or the combination thereof (which indeed sounds daft to me too – okay, now i’m opining). I was just pointing out that some good ideas, had while affected, aren’t necessarily good.

There are plenty of people who take ice who *are* stupid enough to mix it with just about anything (including, sadly, depressants like alcohol and predisposition to aggression and/or psychosis.)

fnaah said :

who the hell would think that is a good idea

… people on drugs. Not sure if you’ve noticed, but one of the first things to go when on psychoactive substances is your critical thinking capacity and decision-making ability. That’s half the point, really.

Yeah there are plenty of people who take Salvia who aren’t stupid enough to mix it with ice mate.

hetzjagd1 said :

peterh said :

Very funny for me, though, especially when one of my mates climbed a tree in civic, claiming that he was an orange and wasn’t coming down till he was ripe….

and he actually remembers ALL that he did that night. i am sure that he wishes that his short term memory was shot, but no such luck.

I don’t know you or your mate so I hate to sound like an asshole but that is such a bullshit story in regards to him actually thinking he is an orange. I guess he’s the only one who can say for sure but still. If I had a dollar for every “thought I was a orange, didn’t want to get peeled” story I’ve heard from various differant walks of life over the years I’d have like $7. That said I don’t think the recurring nature of the story means its actually common symptoms of a tripper.

i think it was the trank talking. i have been associated with several people over the years who don’t exhibit this kind of out there behavior, and they have been using pot for most of their dreary existences.

They all now have the “druggie giggle”, and are looking far more aged than they are. I did try pot once, and promptly threw up. never tried again, it didn’t do anything for me.

An orange ‘ey? I was always more inclined to think I was a fish.

“Let me tell you, cops just don’t appreciate fish driving around in cars” – Bill Hicks.

🙂

Ice combined with salvia is apparently and astonishingly bizarre experience
Sounds like some kind of Mojito or Caipiroska

peterh said :

Very funny for me, though, especially when one of my mates climbed a tree in civic, claiming that he was an orange and wasn’t coming down till he was ripe….

and he actually remembers ALL that he did that night. i am sure that he wishes that his short term memory was shot, but no such luck.

I don’t know you or your mate so I hate to sound like an asshole but that is such a bullshit story in regards to him actually thinking he is an orange. I guess he’s the only one who can say for sure but still. If I had a dollar for every “thought I was a orange, didn’t want to get peeled” story I’ve heard from various differant walks of life over the years I’d have like $7. That said I don’t think the recurring nature of the story means its actually common symptoms of a tripper.

> it is a killer, the same as tobacco. It isn’t looked upon as a killer as there is a social acceptance for it.

I fund it amusing (I think). I’ve had several drunken arguments with people (particularly those of my parents generation) about the supposed evil of “drugs”. I’m sure many teenagers have been given the “drug talk” by their fathers whilst they sipped on a glass of scotch or a can of beer.

johnboy said :

eyeLikeCarrots said :

That and the costs are low enough to support functional addiction instead of a life of crime.

but if they banned tobacco, the concentration would go up, as you would roll your own tobacco leaves from the black market. then we would hear about strung out tobacco addicts.

Functional addiction for smokes, yes.

Alcohol, in severe cases, is not a functional addiction. some people cannot go without their hit, not even for a couple of hours.

you cannot reason with an alcoholic who is drunk. they have no concept of guilt, they feel no remorse for their actions at the time. (including hitting women, children or others for no obvious reason) they will, perhaps, later.

it is a killer, the same as tobacco. It isn’t looked upon as a killer as there is a social acceptance for it.

> That and the costs are low enough to support functional addiction instead of a life of crime.

Mind you “chop chop” (black market tobacco) is apparently much, much cheaper than store purchased stuff. It’s the lack of tax.

who the hell would think that is a good idea

… people on drugs. Not sure if you’ve noticed, but one of the first things to go when on psychoactive substances is your critical thinking capacity and decision-making ability. That’s half the point, really.

eyeLikeCarrots said :

the only good thing about legalised drugs is the legislation about concentration like miligrams of nicotene in smokes or alchol in booze…

That and the costs are low enough to support functional addiction instead of a life of crime.

eyeLikeCarrots said :

PBO said :

And from the effects it sounds like Ketamine. Or a Ketamine by-product such as angel dust / PCP.

angel dust/pcp is from the hallucinogen family isint it ? Ketamine is actually a anesthetic, its use as a disasociative.. makes you feel like you are out of your body

this new super ice could be an uber pure concentrated batch, just like from time to time there is a spate of deaths and admissions when a batch of super pure, uncut H comes into the country.

Consistency is a major risk in illegal drugs, you can never be really sure just how much MDMA is in that pill, how much speed its cut with and if they padded the mix out with some other nasty shit… the only good thing about legalised drugs is the legislation about concentration like miligrams of nicotene in smokes or alchol in booze…

They are both from the same family of disassociatives.

Skidbladnir said :

Ice combined with salvia is apparently and astonishingly bizarre experience and has a worse psychosis, while stille being just as addictive as ice (suprise!).

Not that I know personally, though.

Jesus christ, who the hell would think that is a good idea. Mixing an intense hallucinatory drug with ice? That’s nuts.

I had a boyfriend climb the tree in Garema Place, but he was just crazy. Two of my kids were there and so the police came and gave me a ride into Civic in the police car. People were saying, “Jump! Jump! Jump!”

It was kind of funny with hindsight but pretty embarrassing at the time. He thought he was a prophet! When they finally got him down, they arrested him and took him off to 12B at Woden or wherever it was.

*shudder*

eyeLikeCarrots11:25 am 24 Oct 08

PBO said :

And from the effects it sounds like Ketamine. Or a Ketamine by-product such as angel dust / PCP.

angel dust/pcp is from the hallucinogen family isint it ? Ketamine is actually a anesthetic, its use as a disasociative.. makes you feel like you are out of your body

this new super ice could be an uber pure concentrated batch, just like from time to time there is a spate of deaths and admissions when a batch of super pure, uncut H comes into the country.

Consistency is a major risk in illegal drugs, you can never be really sure just how much MDMA is in that pill, how much speed its cut with and if they padded the mix out with some other nasty shit… the only good thing about legalised drugs is the legislation about concentration like miligrams of nicotene in smokes or alchol in booze…

it reminds me of the days when pot was being laced with “trank” (horse tranquilizer) – very large amount of sick users, not a good experience for them.

Very funny for me, though, especially when one of my mates climbed a tree in civic, claiming that he was an orange and wasn’t coming down till he was ripe….

and he actually remembers ALL that he did that night. i am sure that he wishes that his short term memory was shot, but no such luck.

I didn’t and still don’t do drugs, watching the behavior of others is far more interesting…

PBO said :

OOOOhhhhh, yuck. Makes you wonder what the first people who tried it were thinking.

No different to the first person who saw a cows udder and thought “I might try drinking whatever comes out”.

and in other news violent assaults are up one million percent thanks to this new “drug”.

I’ve personally got very little time for serious druggies. But the idea of a currently unnamed substance making it’s way around the street is a tabloid journos wet dream. We’d have heard about it in TT, ACA, news.com.au, Daily Telegraph, etc basically all the quality news publications (I feel so dirty now after saying quality publications in the same sentence as the above mentioned news sources). It would have been blown into moral crisis proportions well before a second person had even tried it (think Helen Lovejoy shouting “won’t anyone please think of the children”).

Furthermore, unless the Drug was first manufactured in Canberra, we’d be one of the last places to see it. Basically if your going to risk selling new drugs, at least do it in a place with a large population where not every one knows every one else.

I’d normally say “prove me wrong” but I this instance I’m hoping I’m right.

poptop said :

Jenkem

poptop said :

Oops – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenkem

Probably not for lunchtime reading . . .

OOOOhhhhh, yuck. Makes you wonder what the first people who tried it were thinking.

Well more innocenter than you, anyways, no doubt ….

*hehe*

Innocent? 😉

Well, that’s what you get for being innocent and naive …. Go me!!

: )

Yao Ba (or Ya Ba) actually exists, though. 😛

Oops – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenkem

Probably not for lunchtime reading . . .

Skidbladnir said :

Come on…

The first mention of a drug in Canberra by its street name would probably be on RiotACT in a thread called “Where is Canberra’s easiest place to score Yao Ba?”

You should start that one, Skid! It would be hilarious …!

Roadrage77 said :

On an unrelated matter I have some low-quality pictures of a man-eating hermaphrodite yowie terrorising swimmers at Pine Island if anyone’s interested to see them.

Pick me! Pick me!

*chuckle*

Come on…

The first mention of a drug in Canberra by its street name would probably be on RiotACT in a thread called “Where is Canberra’s easiest place to score Yao Ba?”

This thread would do Today Tonight proud. A bunch of uninformed gronks speculating on something that in all likelihood doesn’t even exist.

On an unrelated matter I have some low-quality pictures of a man-eating hermaphrodite yowie terrorising swimmers at Pine Island if anyone’s interested to see them.

Permafrost ?

Beserk Keyboard Warrior10:22 am 24 Oct 08

If there was really was a frightening new drug doing the rounds then I’m pretty sure we’d hear about circulating in the bigger cities long before it hit the streets of Canberra.

I’d hate to let a complete lack of evidence get in the way of invoking fear and paranoia amongst the public though.

Interesting read, thanks Skidbladnir.

I swear I don’t make so many typos in my job, only on here…

Salvia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvia_divinorum

But for anyone thinking about experimenting, go read Erowid first, or find a friendly medical student willing to be your sitter.

And from the effects it sounds like Ketamine. Or a Ketamine by-product such as angel dust / PCP.

Ice combined with salvia is apparently and astonishingly bizarre experience and has a worse psychosis, while stille being just as addictive as ice (suprise!).

Not that I know personally, though.

Until something like this has a name, i would say that this is all hearsay and conjecture. If something like this was new and hitting the streets we would have heard about it already as it would have hit Sydney or Melbourne. I would be inclined to say that this is possibly a strange batch of home made ice maybe?

sunshine said :

Piratemonkey said :

I love you spam box.

A recent study in the UK ranks alcohol as the 5th worst drug when it comes to personal harm, harm to society and addictiveness. Herion being number 1 and extacy being number 17.

Who gives a crap about ice, acohol is the real issue!

ummm, the people who have to clean up after those on ice and deal with their psychosis give a crap about ice.
yes alcohol is a problem but at least you can effectively work with a person who is drunk but when on ice – forget it!

either circumstance has its own particular risks associated with it – alcoholics can resort to theft, assault and abuse to obtain their next “hit” – i know, I was associated with people who would beat each other up for one last drink. The facility was supposed to be “dry” but there was alcohol and drugs there, and a hell of a lot of very scary people. Ainslie village. what a mistake.

Alcoholics aren’t nice people. letting your personal hygiene slip – why buy a cake of soap when you could be at the pub having a beer? or eating mouldy food – alcohol becomes the “food” of choice, and trying to prevent an alcoholic from a drink is a recipe for violence.

I don’t know the name of this new drug, but a friend of mine has recently told me that the “thin line” between stoned and dead is very much closer for this one. The psychosis that is experienced by an Ice user apparently is a walk in the park compared to the side effects of the new drug, self harm and harming others is extremely likely – he also mentioned that if you encounter someone suffering from the side effects, and can do so, get away from them very quickly. by all means, phone the police, keep an eye on them from a safe distance, but be prepared to see some horror behaviour, I hope that this one gets off our streets quickly, but that never seems to happen.

Vanilla ice, perhaps?

hopefully it kills them substantially faster also

Piratemonkey said :

I love you spam box.

A recent study in the UK ranks alcohol as the 5th worst drug when it comes to personal harm, harm to society and addictiveness. Herion being number 1 and extacy being number 17.

Who gives a crap about ice, acohol is the real issue!

ummm, the people who have to clean up after those on ice and deal with their psychosis give a crap about ice.
yes alcohol is a problem but at least you can effectively work with a person who is drunk but when on ice – forget it!

Piratemonkey. Interesting study. Alcohol and tobacco even when looked at seperately cost more than any illegal drug – perhaps because they are legal and easy to get though. Heroin – interesting. ‘Normal’ heroin use (ie not ODing) doesn’t kill you – you could quite easily live your days out as a junkie if you didnd’t have to steal for your next fix. Who takes heroin these days any more though? Its so last century….this new mystery drug is where its at.

Sunshine, where have you heard this?

Piratemonkey1:25 am 24 Oct 08

I love you spam box.

A recent study in the UK ranks alcohol as the 5th worst drug when it comes to personal harm, harm to society and addictiveness. Herion being number 1 and extacy being number 17.

Who gives a crap about ice, acohol is the real issue!

It’s called alcohol

More than one reason he’s called Sonic, then 🙂

Reefer Madness!

I hear Jon Stanhope is considering selling it to pay for the GDE widening…

Nothing new – Whatever Crazy Chester was taking…

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