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By johnboy 1 September 2012 47

So the Bureau tells us it really was extremely cold last night hitting a ballcracking -6.8 at the airport at 6:17am.

We’re hearing it’s the coldest spring day on record, ever.

Enjoy!

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Jethro 7:10 pm 03 Sep 12

Conan of Cooma said :

I love climate change arguments.

Two groups arguing hearsay that was reported to them by someone else.

Conan of Cooma said :

I’ve never heard anyone argue either side successfully, mostly because none of them have a clue what they are on about.

I’m generally interested to know where you think my ignorance lies. Aside from one comment which implied that CO2 is the only reason for the difference in temperature between the Earth and the moon, when there are clearly a host of atmospheric gases that contribute to the planet’s ability to retain heat, I can’t see how my contribution to this debate has been based on anything but the basic facts behind climate change. Obviously I have not written explicitly detailed comments, but I was only ever attempting to provide a simple overview of the general lines of evidence that link human activities with global warming and climate change.

Are you implying that because my contributions are based on my readings of the scientific literature, as opposed to my own scientific experiments and observations that my contributions can only be based on ‘hearsay’ and are therefore irrelevant? This would suggest that no-one can lay claim to any knowledge or understanding that didn’t originate solely from them. That’s a strange way to look at the concept of knowledge, as it suggests that hardly anybody knows anything and the only contributions to all debates that are valid are those based on discovered knowledge; acquired or learned knowledge is seen as equivalent to ignorance.

Or are you suggesting that I simply have a limited ability to understand what I’ve read in the scientific literature? As I said, I’m interested to know where my ignorance lies, as the whole climate change issue is one that I’ve really endeavoured to learn about and one to which I have devoted a lot of time to studying. I don’t claim to be an expert but did think I had a fairly good general knowledge and understanding of the topic. So, if you can explain what I’ve got wrong, I would greatly appreciate it.

Conan of Cooma 3:12 pm 03 Sep 12

HenryBG said :

If that’s your analysis of what’s going on it means you aren’t paying attention.

These guys have a good collection of informative articles:
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/05/start-here/

It’s my analysis of the climate change debate, and it’s 100% accurate. If you look closely my previous post mentioned nothing in relation to the science of the debate, simply the debaters themselves.

I’ve never heard anyone argue either side successfully, mostly because none of them have a clue what they are on about.

Truthiness 2:41 pm 03 Sep 12

dismissing people based on their interest in conspiracy is a terrible thought pattern to fall into. There are clearly multitudinous actual conspiracies, as LIBOR and Trap wire demonstrate, indeed the very concept of government secrecy is in and of itself a conspiracy. Does merely being interested in the extent of one’s own deception automatically disqualify any other discussion or insight?

I for one am firmly convinced of the scientific reality of climate change, and am simultaneously deeply skeptical of carbon trading schemes thought up by the same financial geniuses who brought us the gfc.

The whole green washing of government and industry has been so insincere and ineffective, is it any wonder so much of the public doubts their sincerity? I mean, since when did Margret thatcher care about anyone? And yet we are meant to believe she cares about the environment?

The whole idea of greenhouse gas trading reeks of further capitalisation and ownership of our collective natural resources, it may help climate change to some small extent, but it also heralds an age where corporations own and sell the very air we breath and the rain before it ever hits the ground.

If governments actually cared about stopping climate change they wouldn’t keep logging and fracking. I put it to you that carbon trading schemes do almost nothing to actually stop climate change, and instead serve almost exclusively as a means to make money off our collective demise.

Bom records guru 1:14 pm 03 Sep 12

davo101 said :

Bom records guru said :

we maintain a data set for use in climate change work which is corrected for things like site changes; in that adjusted data set

How did you tie the maximum temperature series together? The overlapping period suggests that the relationship is not stationary. I was wondering if there was a better way than just ignoring this and carrying on anyway.

Full details of this are at http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/change/acorn-sat/ (both as a summary document and a detailed technical report).

HenryBG 12:47 pm 03 Sep 12

Conan of Cooma said :

I love climate change arguments.

Two groups arguing hearsay that was reported to them by someone else.

If that’s your analysis of what’s going on it means you aren’t paying attention.

These guys have a good collection of informative articles:
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/05/start-here/

Conan of Cooma 12:16 pm 03 Sep 12

I love climate change arguments.

Two groups arguing hearsay that was reported to them by someone else.

davo101 11:39 am 03 Sep 12

Bom records guru said :

we maintain a data set for use in climate change work which is corrected for things like site changes; in that adjusted data set

How did you tie the maximum temperature series together? The overlapping period suggests that the relationship is not stationary. I was wondering if there was a better way than just ignoring this and carrying on anyway.

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