Controlling the toddlers?

belray 29 July 2008 68

Every so often, me and my wife head into the Canberra Centre to have a wander around, maybe have a coffee and basically kill time.  Unfortunately, of late I have noticed a disturbing practice.  I have seen un-controlled toddlers running under the feet of shoppers, which caused significant congestion as they try to avoid walking on them.  As if this isn’t bad and dangerous enough, the parent/s are standing there watching them with a stupid grin on their face saying things like “how cute” or “watch out baby”, without even attempting to retrieve the active youngster.   I wonder how cute it would be if a shopping trolley ran one of them over? Whose fault would it be, especially since at times they can’t be seen until it is too late, thus un-avoidable.

I have four kids, who now range from 10-17 yo, thus I know what it is like to have a toddler.  I also know that toddlers can and should be controlled in public places. I believe that it is the parents responsibility to control their toddlers in a public place where there is the potential for harm.

To that end, if you are one of the parents who refuse to control your toddler, please re-consider the practice as it is dangerous and I for one, do not wish to knock over a little one.

Thanks for reading…..


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peterh peterh 1:37 pm 30 Jul 08

vg said :

To the OP

If kids scare you that much lock yourself in the cupboard as its a terrifying world out there.

Kids will be kids. The herding cats analogy is quite apt.

Get a life and don’t be so miserable, or open your eyes and do what a normal person would when something obstructs them, move around it.

And to the posters who think its fun to rigidly adhere to the principal of not getting out of the way of kids and knocking them over, think again, the next kid you knock over could be mine……and then I’ll knock you over

i second that comment. but then, I may already have spiked you with my pram.

vg vg 12:56 pm 30 Jul 08

To the OP

If kids scare you that much lock yourself in the cupboard as its a terrifying world out there.

Kids will be kids. The herding cats analogy is quite apt.

Get a life and don’t be so miserable, or open your eyes and do what a normal person would when something obstructs them, move around it.

And to the posters who think its fun to rigidly adhere to the principal of not getting out of the way of kids and knocking them over, think again, the next kid you knock over could be mine……and then I’ll knock you over

peterh peterh 11:06 am 30 Jul 08

Woody Mann-Caruso said :

So we’ve got a worst case scenario here – little kid vs Goliath, airtime, glass, the works – and yet nobody was hurt. Kid squawked, parent had a sense of perspective, all good. Hardly worth harsh adjectives like ‘disturbing’ or ‘dangerous’, is it?

good job the little kid didn’t have a sling and a rock, then?

Woody Mann-Caruso Woody Mann-Caruso 11:03 am 30 Jul 08

So we’ve got a worst case scenario here – little kid vs Goliath, airtime, glass, the works – and yet nobody was hurt. Kid squawked, parent had a sense of perspective, all good. Hardly worth harsh adjectives like ‘disturbing’ or ‘dangerous’, is it?

FB FB 10:05 am 30 Jul 08

So, when was the last time anybody actually saw a rogue toddler get hurt in a busy mall? I’ve been a mallrat since I could walk, and I’ve never seen it happen.

WMC, I was walking through Belconnen mall with a friend who is about 150kg of solid muscle. A child of a bout 4 or 5 running amok through through the crowed ran into him and bounced off into the glass front of a bank. I think he even got air before he hit the wall. It made an impresive noise and he screamed before he hit the floor. My friend shrugged, laughed and walked off. Funniest thing I saw!

Fortunatly the mother realised the kid was being stupid and chastised him for it and not my mate.

peterh peterh 9:52 am 30 Jul 08

niftydog said :

bd84 said :

Keep left should apply on shopping centres too…
people who stand in the middle of the walkway and have a good chat…
give way rule should apply to the people exiting shops…

AMEN!!!

Not to mention the nob-ends who won’t even rotate their shoulders slightly as they squeeze past you in the crowd. I have to try really hard not to just shoulder-barge people to the floor some times. I’m fairly short and solid, so when I’m feeling ruthless I can make like an immovable object!

spare a thought for the parent who has decided to keep the kids in the pram or stroller. I have asked my wife if I can fit a huge sharp spike on the front of the pram, or a cow catcher, perhaps, to ensure that the idiots who step in front of me and stop won’t do it again. stepping over the pram is another good one, particularly when they are off balance. a shove of the pram and down they go.

(I don’t do this often, but occasionally, I need to.)

and the 12 member family walking at 2inches per hour? please let me knock em down like skittles.

It is often when I am trying to get a wailing child to the parent’s room that I discover the worst of the mall sub culture…. the old, slow ladies. they won’t move aside, they will, in fact slow down. and stop. and ask my child who has obviously filled their nappy, something along the lines of “is oo a grumpy pants?” or phrases equally nauseating. (not however as nauseating as the odor that starts to emanate from the pram)

little kids toddling around? bit of a nuisance you say?

how about the following:

Teenagers milling around because there is nothing to do
people engaged in a good catchup chat in the middle of the aisle in a supermarket – blocking it completely
elderly people who have a top speed of 2 inches an hour – or their opposite
elderly people in those blasted scooters – now i know why they don’t drive a car anymore
the people who, for no apparent reason, stop dead, making everyone else try to avoid them.
the “parents” who want to impart sage advice as to why my daughter is screaming – by the way, sage parent, you trod on her foot, you fool…..

oh and I also want spikes on the tyres. if you won’t move, I am going over your feet.

niftydog niftydog 8:58 am 30 Jul 08

bd84 said :

Keep left should apply on shopping centres too…
people who stand in the middle of the walkway and have a good chat…
give way rule should apply to the people exiting shops…

AMEN!!!

Not to mention the nob-ends who won’t even rotate their shoulders slightly as they squeeze past you in the crowd. I have to try really hard not to just shoulder-barge people to the floor some times. I’m fairly short and solid, so when I’m feeling ruthless I can make like an immovable object!

Thumper Thumper 8:43 am 30 Jul 08

Frankly, I’m worried about the fact that people actually go to malls at all…..

belray belray 8:31 am 30 Jul 08

RuffnReady said :

Some of you clearly can’t read. Belray’s objection is to toddlers on the loose in BUSY MALLS, not the toddlers themselves or any other twist you want to put on it. I agree with him, it’s irresponsible parenting. I’m a tall man who walks quickly, and if one of those kids comes out of nowhere to trip me up I could really hurt them, and then I’d be the monster despite the fact that it wasn’t my fault. Quite frankly, fark that! Take them to the friggin park if you want to let them run free. The mall is a busy public space, so show some respect for others, some basic courtesy.

PS I hate malls with a passion and avoid them at all costs. Cathedrals of hyper-consumption is what they are, a disgusting offshoot of modern market economics and the temporary prosperity the world is currently experiencing. I’m all for people buying what they need, and what they want within reason, but these places are expressly designed to trigger in the consumer impulses to buy things they didn’t even know they wanted, and to me that is horrific (and has terrible environmental/resource depletion consequences). The prominence of the mall in the lives of many is yet another sign that our culture has lost its way…

/rant

Finally! Thank you for actually reading and comprehending my original post. I too am tall (6’4″), thus I understand your point. Just to clarify, when I speak about killing time, it is a generalised saying. I use it to convey that I don’t want to or can’t be bothered going into detail about what I am doing.

I work in Civic, thus I can think of better things to do like sit on my deck or ride my motorcycle in opposition to visiting the CC (particulraly on a Friday evening – Beer….). I should have been more aware that my original post would be picked for everything rather than good old fashioned debate about the original issue.

Cheers…

Granny Granny 11:53 pm 29 Jul 08

minime2 said :

School holiday observation by the sit-around-and-drink-coffee people: there are Mall employees who take their “little” humans to the mall and let the “mall” babysit them all day. That is they stay inside and play. Unsupervised in the sense of what most parents would not allow. But try “speaking” to a little monster about behaviour and the parent will swoop out of nowhere like a beserk mum demanding no one repremand or chase her little boy as he will be scared (of police cars) when he gets older.

When they run in the shops or areas around, I have decided not to move aside for them – interesting results. Mum usually sh**s herself that someone ran into her kid. I suppose a Mall is just a big loungeroom to some. They should build one in Charnwood. The knife shop would do well.

So when you’re not running little kids down in shopping centres and sitting around malls drinking coffee, what is it exactly that makes you so much better than people who are guilty of letting their kids “run” and “play”?

minime2 minime2 11:25 pm 29 Jul 08

School holiday observation by the sit-around-and-drink-coffee people: there are Mall employees who take their “little” humans to the mall and let the “mall” babysit them all day. That is they stay inside and play. Unsupervised in the sense of what most parents would not allow. But try “speaking” to a little monster about behaviour and the parent will swoop out of nowhere like a beserk mum demanding no one repremand or chase her little boy as he will be scared (of police cars) when he gets older.

When they run in the shops or areas around, I have decided not to move aside for them – interesting results. Mum usually sh**s herself that someone ran into her kid. I suppose a Mall is just a big loungeroom to some. They should build one in Charnwood. The knife shop would do well.

Granny Granny 11:24 pm 29 Jul 08

I think you have misunderstood my post. See post #29 for clarification. I am sure your little humans are wonderful, as are mine.

: )

Whatsup Whatsup 11:16 pm 29 Jul 08

Do you think ?

Granny Granny 11:12 pm 29 Jul 08

Are you talking to me?

Whatsup Whatsup 11:01 pm 29 Jul 08

The last time I looked at my children they were indeed human. I could have made a lot of money if we produced another species, imagine the income from the tabloids.

At what age do you propose a child be allowed to “stand” ? They need to learn at some point how to behave in shops, how would you suggest this happen if they are not given an chance. We’ve got two kids, one was an “bolter” who we needed to teach the rules to, the other stuck to us like glue and never left our side. How were we to know ?

Granny Granny 10:10 pm 29 Jul 08

I particularly love the expressions “escape” and “on the loose”.

Why must parents insist on thinking their children are human? Why must they insist on believing that a small human being has the right to *gasp* stand in a mall?

smilesr smilesr 9:42 pm 29 Jul 08

Tweens are more of a problem. i saw 2 on the weekend leaning over the mall’s balcony spitting on passers-by below. Nice!

Duke Duke 8:46 pm 29 Jul 08

I’m more irritated by the belray types who stroll around malls with NO SHOPPING AGENDA!

bd84 bd84 8:46 pm 29 Jul 08

Can we control the big people too?!?

Keep left should apply on shopping centres too, instead of walking wherever you want. The next person who stops dead in front of me is going to get barreled into too as are the people who stand in the middle of the walkway and have a good chat as the crowd tries to get past. Also the give way rule should apply to the people exiting shops into the path of people passing.

I don’t mind the odd stray child, my foot breaks for avoiding little ones are still fairly good, seen some get bumped into though. I just object to the parents who don’t do a thing to stop their children running about as they like or playing chasings around the store as I saw a coupld of weeks ago, a simple “stop” or “come here” should normally suffice, no objections to a quick smack on the bum either if needs be.

Woody Mann-Caruso Woody Mann-Caruso 8:00 pm 29 Jul 08

So, when was the last time anybody actually saw a rogue toddler get hurt in a busy mall? I’ve been a mallrat since I could walk, and I’ve never seen it happen.

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