18 August 2013

OC Spray in Shooters

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An 18-year-old Holt man was arrested this morning after a disturbance at a Civic nightclub.

About 3.15am, police were called to Shooters nightclub on East Row after receiving reports of a fight inside the club.

Police attended and were speaking to one of the parties involved outside the club, when the Holt man approached them in an aggressive manner.

The man ignored repeated demands by police to leave the area and continued to threaten police. He was subsequently taken into custody for breach of the peace. The man resisted violently, punching a police officer in the face.

Three additional men became involved, and were also taken into custody. During the disturbance police were required to deploy oleoresin (OC) spray.

All four men were transported to the ACT Watch House. The Holt man has been charged with common assault, obstruct territory official and breach of the peace. He received Watch House bail, and will face court at a later date.

ACT Policing Superintendent Justine Gough said police would not tolerate being the victims of violent behaviour.

“Alcohol-fueled violence is a national issue, and we’re not immune to it here. However, our officers have every right to perform their duties without being the target of violence. It is completely unacceptable,” Superintendent Gough said.

[Courtesy ACT Policing]

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Mr Evil1:03 pm 21 Aug 13

Papatroy said :

I seen the whole thing In and outside shooters. Young bloke was dancing minding his own business when some random walks over and try’s to fight him. I restrained the random guy and asked him to leave shooters. The police walked in a short time later and asked the young guy to come down stairs outside. Once outside I seen the police immediately throw him and his older mate on the ground without asking them anything. And used much much more force then was required so much so many people who witnessed the incident including myself stepped in and pleaded for the afp to be less violent. Then they pepper sprayed the guys while they where already restrained on the ground very excessive the young bloke was 50-60kgs tops and had about 2 much bigger afp officers kicking the shit out of him. The end result was 10 times worse then the Original alleged offence. I’ve worked as a bouncer for many years and am trained in dealing with these situations. If I treated. Member of the public like this whilst working I’d be in jail. I was disgusted with the massive amount of excessive forced used by the AFP. The injury sustained by the AFP was 100th the Injury’s the two guys received from being arrested. I like the AFP they do a hard job. But remember officers are people to and these officers went overboard big time it’s seemed personal not professional.

Yeah, and it happened just like this, eh…………

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjkQSREjxH0

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bundah10:33 am 21 Aug 13

Mike Crowther said :

Papatroy:

Easy. You go along to court as a witness for the defence and have your evidence tested. That’s why we have a court system. And the court system is why it doesn’t make sense to resist arrest (or punch on with the cops) because you think youre in the right.

Indeed, although it’s much easier to articulate one’s version of events, however poorly, on RA than to front the terror of the courts. Personally I have found the experience both eye-opening and satisfying, particularly if one is successful in persuading the magistrate to one’s version of events. The plod really hate that and on one occasion I had one of them express his disgust to me outside the court over the outcome of the traffic matter.

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Stevian10:33 am 21 Aug 13

Papatroy said :

I seen the whole thing In and outside shooters. Young bloke was dancing minding his own business when some random walks over and try’s to fight him. I restrained the random guy and asked him to leave shooters. The police walked in a short time later and asked the young guy to come down stairs outside. Once outside I seen the police immediately throw him and his older mate on the ground without asking them anything. And used much much more force then was required so much so many people who witnessed the incident including myself stepped in and pleaded for the afp to be less violent. Then they pepper sprayed the guys while they where already restrained on the ground very excessive the young bloke was 50-60kgs tops and had about 2 much bigger afp officers kicking the shit out of him. The end result was 10 times worse then the Original alleged offence. I’ve worked as a bouncer for many years and am trained in dealing with these situations. If I treated. Member of the public like this whilst working I’d be in jail. I was disgusted with the massive amount of excessive forced used by the AFP. The injury sustained by the AFP was 100th the Injury’s the two guys received from being arrested. I like the AFP they do a hard job. But remember officers are people to and these officers went overboard big time it’s seemed personal not professional.

You really didn’t see a thing except in your imagination.If you did, lodge a complaint where it will do some good rather than bleating among the sheep

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Kim F8:54 am 21 Aug 13

Blessed are the cheese-makers !

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Mike Crowther7:57 am 21 Aug 13

Papatroy: Easy. You go along to court as a witness for the defence and have your evidence tested. That’s why we have a court system. And the court system is why it doesn’t make sense to resist arrest (or punch on with the cops) because you think youre in the right.

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c_c™11:40 pm 20 Aug 13

Papatroy said :

I seen the whole thing…

Needn’t bother reading any further, that basically says it all.

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Papatroy11:33 pm 20 Aug 13

bundah said :

Papatroy said :

bundah said :

Papatroy said :

I seen the whole thing In and outside shooters. Young bloke was dancing minding his own business when some random walks over and try’s to fight him. I restrained the random guy and asked him to leave shooters. The police walked in a short time later and asked the young guy to come down stairs outside. Once outside I seen the police immediately throw him and his older mate on the ground without asking them anything. And used much much more force then was required so much so many people who witnessed the incident including myself stepped in and pleaded for the afp to be less violent. Then they pepper sprayed the guys while they where already restrained on the ground very excessive the young bloke was 50-60kgs tops and had about 2 much bigger afp officers kicking the shit out of him. The end result was 10 times worse then the Original alleged offence. I’ve worked as a bouncer for many years and am trained in dealing with these situations. If I treated. Member of the public like this whilst working I’d be in jail. I was disgusted with the massive amount of excessive forced used by the AFP. The injury sustained by the AFP was 100th the Injury’s the two guys received from being arrested. I like the AFP they do a hard job. But remember officers are people to and these officers went overboard big time it’s seemed personal not professional.

Well your version of events totally contradicts the media release from ACT Policing. So are you saying that the Holt man didn’t threaten and wasn’t aggressive nor punched the officer in the face?

Just strengthens my belief that we need high quality extensive CCTV all over Civic, especially focused around nightclub locations to capture any violent incidents in order to get to the bottom of the sequence of events rather than rely on eyewitness accounts which are often contradictory.

The young bloke didn’t get a chance to do anything if he did come into contact with the AFP it was from putting his hands up to shield the blows the AFP were giving him. While he was on the ground. At no time did I see the young guy try to be violent to the police. He didn’t go quite but he didn’t attack them at all

Is there CCTV at shooters that captured the incident?

I hope so.

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Papatroy10:31 pm 20 Aug 13

Pork Hunt said :

Papatroy said :

I seen the whole thing In and outside shooters. Young bloke was dancing minding his own business when some random walks over and try’s to fight him. I restrained the random guy and asked him to leave shooters. The police walked in a short time later and asked the young guy to come down stairs outside. Once outside I seen the police immediately throw him and his older mate on the ground without asking them anything. And used much much more force then was required so much so many people who witnessed the incident including myself stepped in and pleaded for the afp to be less violent. Then they pepper sprayed the guys while they where already restrained on the ground very excessive the young bloke was 50-60kgs tops and had about 2 much bigger afp officers kicking the shit out of him. The end result was 10 times worse then the Original alleged offence. I’ve worked as a bouncer for many years and am trained in dealing with these situations. If I treated. Member of the public like this whilst working I’d be in jail. I was disgusted with the massive amount of excessive forced used by the AFP. The injury sustained by the AFP was 100th the Injury’s the two guys received from being arrested. I like the AFP they do a hard job. But remember officers are people to and these officers went overboard big time it’s seemed personal not professional.

I would be fairly certain that AFP members do not go around in front of night clubs ” kicking the shit out of people”. Is there any chance that you could clarify your narrative?

Yes I can from what I seen they were resisting being wrongfully arrested IMO more they tried to reason the rougher they were treated the big fella was trying to protect the young bloke from being restrained and they hit them while they were holding onto each other on the ground till they let go out front of shooters yes out front in front of the public. Anyone who tried to reason with the AFP were threaten with being locked up and a few did. Even I was threatened with OC and I was a peace maker

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bundah10:27 pm 20 Aug 13

Papatroy said :

bundah said :

Papatroy said :

I seen the whole thing In and outside shooters. Young bloke was dancing minding his own business when some random walks over and try’s to fight him. I restrained the random guy and asked him to leave shooters. The police walked in a short time later and asked the young guy to come down stairs outside. Once outside I seen the police immediately throw him and his older mate on the ground without asking them anything. And used much much more force then was required so much so many people who witnessed the incident including myself stepped in and pleaded for the afp to be less violent. Then they pepper sprayed the guys while they where already restrained on the ground very excessive the young bloke was 50-60kgs tops and had about 2 much bigger afp officers kicking the shit out of him. The end result was 10 times worse then the Original alleged offence. I’ve worked as a bouncer for many years and am trained in dealing with these situations. If I treated. Member of the public like this whilst working I’d be in jail. I was disgusted with the massive amount of excessive forced used by the AFP. The injury sustained by the AFP was 100th the Injury’s the two guys received from being arrested. I like the AFP they do a hard job. But remember officers are people to and these officers went overboard big time it’s seemed personal not professional.

Well your version of events totally contradicts the media release from ACT Policing. So are you saying that the Holt man didn’t threaten and wasn’t aggressive nor punched the officer in the face?

Just strengthens my belief that we need high quality extensive CCTV all over Civic, especially focused around nightclub locations to capture any violent incidents in order to get to the bottom of the sequence of events rather than rely on eyewitness accounts which are often contradictory.

The young bloke didn’t get a chance to do anything if he did come into contact with the AFP it was from putting his hands up to shield the blows the AFP were giving him. While he was on the ground. At no time did I see the young guy try to be violent to the police. He didn’t go quite but he didn’t attack them at all

Is there CCTV at shooters that captured the incident?

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Papatroy10:03 pm 20 Aug 13

These guys were bleeding a lot and covered in OC spray poor bloke feel bad for them cops should have arrested the guy that started the fight not the young bloke but they wouldn’t listen and got the wrong guys its would have been almost comical if the AFP were not so heavy handed

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Papatroy9:58 pm 20 Aug 13

but once he got in the van he wasn’t happy and was yelling alot. If that happened to me I would have been just as upset. It was 50 shades of excessive lol

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Papatroy9:53 pm 20 Aug 13

bundah said :

Papatroy said :

I seen the whole thing In and outside shooters. Young bloke was dancing minding his own business when some random walks over and try’s to fight him. I restrained the random guy and asked him to leave shooters. The police walked in a short time later and asked the young guy to come down stairs outside. Once outside I seen the police immediately throw him and his older mate on the ground without asking them anything. And used much much more force then was required so much so many people who witnessed the incident including myself stepped in and pleaded for the afp to be less violent. Then they pepper sprayed the guys while they where already restrained on the ground very excessive the young bloke was 50-60kgs tops and had about 2 much bigger afp officers kicking the shit out of him. The end result was 10 times worse then the Original alleged offence. I’ve worked as a bouncer for many years and am trained in dealing with these situations. If I treated. Member of the public like this whilst working I’d be in jail. I was disgusted with the massive amount of excessive forced used by the AFP. The injury sustained by the AFP was 100th the Injury’s the two guys received from being arrested. I like the AFP they do a hard job. But remember officers are people to and these officers went overboard big time it’s seemed personal not professional.

Well your version of events totally contradicts the media release from ACT Policing. So are you saying that the Holt man didn’t threaten and wasn’t aggressive nor punched the officer in the face?

Just strengthens my belief that we need high quality extensive CCTV all over Civic, especially focused around nightclub locations to capture any violent incidents in order to get to the bottom of the sequence of events rather than rely on eyewitness accounts which are often contradictory.

The young bloke didn’t get a chance to do anything if he did come into contact with the AFP it was from putting his hands up to shield the blows the AFP were giving him. While he was on the ground. At no time did I see the young guy try to be violent to the police. He didn’t go quite but he didn’t attack them at all

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bundah9:25 pm 20 Aug 13

Papatroy said :

I seen the whole thing In and outside shooters. Young bloke was dancing minding his own business when some random walks over and try’s to fight him. I restrained the random guy and asked him to leave shooters. The police walked in a short time later and asked the young guy to come down stairs outside. Once outside I seen the police immediately throw him and his older mate on the ground without asking them anything. And used much much more force then was required so much so many people who witnessed the incident including myself stepped in and pleaded for the afp to be less violent. Then they pepper sprayed the guys while they where already restrained on the ground very excessive the young bloke was 50-60kgs tops and had about 2 much bigger afp officers kicking the shit out of him. The end result was 10 times worse then the Original alleged offence. I’ve worked as a bouncer for many years and am trained in dealing with these situations. If I treated. Member of the public like this whilst working I’d be in jail. I was disgusted with the massive amount of excessive forced used by the AFP. The injury sustained by the AFP was 100th the Injury’s the two guys received from being arrested. I like the AFP they do a hard job. But remember officers are people to and these officers went overboard big time it’s seemed personal not professional.

Well your version of events totally contradicts the media release from ACT Policing. So are you saying that the Holt man didn’t threaten and wasn’t aggressive nor punched the officer in the face?

Just strengthens my belief that we need high quality extensive CCTV all over Civic, especially focused around nightclub locations to capture any violent incidents in order to get to the bottom of the sequence of events rather than rely on eyewitness accounts which are often contradictory.

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Pork Hunt8:41 pm 20 Aug 13

Papatroy said :

I seen the whole thing In and outside shooters. Young bloke was dancing minding his own business when some random walks over and try’s to fight him. I restrained the random guy and asked him to leave shooters. The police walked in a short time later and asked the young guy to come down stairs outside. Once outside I seen the police immediately throw him and his older mate on the ground without asking them anything. And used much much more force then was required so much so many people who witnessed the incident including myself stepped in and pleaded for the afp to be less violent. Then they pepper sprayed the guys while they where already restrained on the ground very excessive the young bloke was 50-60kgs tops and had about 2 much bigger afp officers kicking the shit out of him. The end result was 10 times worse then the Original alleged offence. I’ve worked as a bouncer for many years and am trained in dealing with these situations. If I treated. Member of the public like this whilst working I’d be in jail. I was disgusted with the massive amount of excessive forced used by the AFP. The injury sustained by the AFP was 100th the Injury’s the two guys received from being arrested. I like the AFP they do a hard job. But remember officers are people to and these officers went overboard big time it’s seemed personal not professional.

I would be fairly certain that AFP members do not go around in front of night clubs ” kicking the shit out of people”. Is there any chance that you could clarify your narrative?

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Papatroy8:18 pm 20 Aug 13

I seen the whole thing In and outside shooters. Young bloke was dancing minding his own business when some random walks over and try’s to fight him. I restrained the random guy and asked him to leave shooters. The police walked in a short time later and asked the young guy to come down stairs outside. Once outside I seen the police immediately throw him and his older mate on the ground without asking them anything. And used much much more force then was required so much so many people who witnessed the incident including myself stepped in and pleaded for the afp to be less violent. Then they pepper sprayed the guys while they where already restrained on the ground very excessive the young bloke was 50-60kgs tops and had about 2 much bigger afp officers kicking the shit out of him. The end result was 10 times worse then the Original alleged offence. I’ve worked as a bouncer for many years and am trained in dealing with these situations. If I treated. Member of the public like this whilst working I’d be in jail. I was disgusted with the massive amount of excessive forced used by the AFP. The injury sustained by the AFP was 100th the Injury’s the two guys received from being arrested. I like the AFP they do a hard job. But remember officers are people to and these officers went overboard big time it’s seemed personal not professional.

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bundah6:16 pm 19 Aug 13

Last year Zed Seselja presented the The Crimes (Offences Against Police) Amendment Bill 2012) however the Labor/Greens alliance voted against it. Seselja’s argument was the following:

The current laws have been proven inadequate or at least unworkable when dealing with assaults upon police, and the Bill addresses both the practical concerns and the desire of the community to provide extra protection for police officers when carrying out their duty.

While there is a specific offence under Commonwealth law, it has proven an undesirable option, as it requires three physical elements and three fault elements to be established. This has led to a preference to prosecute under common assault provisions. These have previously been indicated by the Assembly as being ‘summary’ rather than ‘indictable’ offences, indicating that the Assembly does not view them as serious offences. This is an anachronistic position that leaves police officers without adequate legal remedy for the seriousness of the assaults.

This pretty much adds weight to my suspicion that Corbell has an underlying contempt for police.

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bundah2:54 pm 19 Aug 13

c_c™ said :

bundah said :

c_c™ said :

bundah said :

While Corbell continues to maintain his pathetic contempt for the police by maintaining the law of common assault for those who attack police

When did it become common assault? I could swear they used to charge people with a specific crime of assault of a commonwealth official.

I don’t think that it’s been anything other than common assault to attack police here…

This is what I was referring to: http://www.police.act.gov.au/media-centre/media-releases/act/2011/august/two-police-officers-injured-following-incident-in-griffith.aspx

“Two ACT Policing officers have been injured after responding to an incident in Griffith early this morning (Monday, August 22)…

The men will be charged with a number of offences including causing harm to Commonwealth Public Official, obstructing a Commonwealth Public Official, common assault and providing false name/address.”

There’s a big difference between the two crimes. Common assault has a sentence up to 2 years, while under the Commonwealth Criminal Code, assaulting a law enforcement office (defined as any member or special member of the AFP) is liable for up to 13 years.

As far as I can tell, the Commonwealth offence still exists and has a stricter punishment, so why isn’t it being used? Or is it being used and they’re just being sloppy with Media Release details?

Yeah i’m not sure but I was under the impression that that only applied to Australian Federal Police officers and not ACT police officers. Perhaps someone can clear that up for us?

In any case the judiciary ought to be sending a very clear message to those that think it’s ok to assault the plod just because they feel like it and a stint in the slammer might just be the medicine they need and send a message to the other thugs who might be considering emulating them.

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Ben_Dover1:10 pm 19 Aug 13

bigred said :

Ffs, bundah, tell me why someone carrying a belt full of weaponry need greater legal protection than some innocent guy walking down the street.

Too right!!

The cops should just shoot these retards, and do society a favour.

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poetix12:47 pm 19 Aug 13

So OC spray doesn’t turn you into a wealthy American teen?

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c_c™10:55 am 19 Aug 13

bundah said :

c_c™ said :

bundah said :

While Corbell continues to maintain his pathetic contempt for the police by maintaining the law of common assault for those who attack police

When did it become common assault? I could swear they used to charge people with a specific crime of assault of a commonwealth official.

I don’t think that it’s been anything other than common assault to attack police here…

This is what I was referring to: http://www.police.act.gov.au/media-centre/media-releases/act/2011/august/two-police-officers-injured-following-incident-in-griffith.aspx

“Two ACT Policing officers have been injured after responding to an incident in Griffith early this morning (Monday, August 22)…

The men will be charged with a number of offences including causing harm to Commonwealth Public Official, obstructing a Commonwealth Public Official, common assault and providing false name/address.”

There’s a big difference between the two crimes. Common assault has a sentence up to 2 years, while under the Commonwealth Criminal Code, assaulting a law enforcement office (defined as any member or special member of the AFP) is liable for up to 13 years.

As far as I can tell, the Commonwealth offence still exists and has a stricter punishment, so why isn’t it being used? Or is it being used and they’re just being sloppy with Media Release details?

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bundah8:26 am 19 Aug 13

c_c™ said :

bundah said :

While Corbell continues to maintain his pathetic contempt for the police by maintaining the law of common assault for those who attack police

When did it become common assault? I could swear they used to charge people with a specific crime of assault of a commonwealth official.

I don’t think that it’s been anything other than common assault to attack police here but NSW has a number of laws in relation to criminal offences that I believe are far more appropriate than the shitful attitude the legislature have here.

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Robertson7:14 am 19 Aug 13

Why not apply the same law to everyone? High maximum sentences sound good to me for assault. It’s amazing how lightly violent thugs get off these sorts of charges. Being the victim of assault can have devastating life-long consequences.

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c_c™1:06 am 19 Aug 13

@Bigred

Because a gun belt doesn’t make someone indestructible. Because they have a gun belt by virtue of the fact they’re paid and obligated to enter harmful and potentially life threatening situations while the typical man (or woman) on the street has no such obligation.

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c_c™1:03 am 19 Aug 13

bundah said :

While Corbell continues to maintain his pathetic contempt for the police by maintaining the law of common assault for those who attack police

When did it become common assault? I could swear they used to charge people with a specific crime of assault of a commonwealth official.

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Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd9:57 pm 18 Aug 13

bundah said :

While Corbell continues to maintain his pathetic contempt for the police by maintaining the law of common assault for those who attack police, instead of the law in NSW where it’s Assault Police Officer in Execution of Duty and the maximum sentences are much more severe, the drunken fcuktards will continue to use the plod as punching bags. Mind you the mindset of the magistrates needs to change in relation to the pathetically light sentences they hand down for this type of brutality.

Time for the plod to go on ‘strike’ methinks until they’re treated with some respect by the imbeciles in power.

Agreed.

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bigred8:40 pm 18 Aug 13

Ffs, bundah, tell me why someone carrying a belt full of weaponry need greater legal protection than some innocent guy walking down the street.

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bundah3:40 pm 18 Aug 13

While Corbell continues to maintain his pathetic contempt for the police by maintaining the law of common assault for those who attack police, instead of the law in NSW where it’s Assault Police Officer in Execution of Duty and the maximum sentences are much more severe, the drunken fcuktards will continue to use the plod as punching bags. Mind you the mindset of the magistrates needs to change in relation to the pathetically light sentences they hand down for this type of brutality.

Time for the plod to go on ‘strike’ methinks until they’re treated with some respect by the imbeciles in power.

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