ActewAGL cleared to lift electricity prices by nearly 13 per cent

So you want to compare the capital cost of one power plant versus the entire network and capital costs of another option.

Makes sense.

If only there was a way to analyse and model the true total costs of providing electricity from different generation sources and energy mixes that includes those transmission costs that you mention.

Oh wait, that’s exactly what the CSIRO and AEMO Gencost research and report does.

The exact research that shows renewables are cheaper. That is what AEMO’s figures show.

Small reactors do not exist outside nuclear submarines using weapons grade enriched uranium.

Large reactors cost a *lot* more and even Saudi Arabia (recognising climate change and decline of oil) required massive state support, subsidies and an autocratic government to build their reactors in the time frames Rinehart’s IPA and Dutton are lying about.

Switch off SkyNews and research the topic please.

The climate gestapo will be around soon to stop you using a renewable resource that doesn’t have its price controlled by a cartel.

You are right there chewy.

To your credit you have few peers who can really analyse this stuff but at the end of the day we still have to pay more and more for energy while Bowen et all continue to state renewables are the cheapest energy available.

At some stage you will have to admit that the whole climate change story is a scam.

Capital Retro,
Oh, so you didn’t see that wholesale energy prices are actually lower in the ICRCs determination?

You know, the part of the price that actually comes from the generation of electricity in the national grid, which is as you say, more and more supplied by renewables.

Now, of course that wholesale electricity price is more complex than just the energy mix, but people blaming renewables clearly haven’t actually read the determination.

The greatest increase in cost is because the government locked in fixed prices as part of the FIT that both shield us when wholesale energy prices go up, but cost us when they go down.

Strange that people whinging now, were eerily silent last year when that same mechanism resulted in us receiving significant protection from increased costs.

In the same way the government deflects in years like this but crows about it when their decision causes a benefit.

At some stage you’ll have to admit that the evidence and facts don’t agree with you. Actually wait, clearly you won’t ever do that based on history, even when the evidence is put right in front of you.

Here’s the TLDR though Chewy — for years the renewable lobby’s biggest selling point, other than that we can turn global temperature up or down by twiddling the carbon knob, is that we’ll all pay less. For years. So where is it? It’s all just endless excuses for why the hype isn’t happening. Don’t misinterpret me: energy mix will change, climate too. But hype, spin, moral lies — this is not being straight with people.

Rustygear,
So you’re just going to ignore all the reasons why electricity prices have gone up that have nothing to do with renewables and then still use those reasons to blame renewables?

The major causes of why we are paying more for electricity over time are almost all related to Federal government energy policy (or lack of). Along with their inability to plan and structure the regulatory environment to support the inevitable transition to the new renewable generators over time.

And who’s been in charge of that federal government for the majority of the time? A political party that has actively promoted inaction on climate change and has significant backing from the fossil fuel industry.

Of course the transition can’t and shouldn’t be done over night but if the federal government was actually interested in providing us cheaper electricity, they would be acting far more strongly on energy policy and investment.

It’s yet to be seen whether the ALP are up to the challenge of dealing with the rent seekers and vested interests that care more about their profits than their customers but thats what is needed.

Perhaps you should redirect your anger about paying more to the actual causes, rather than attempting to scapegoat the proven, cheaper energy sources as the problem?

Ah yes. I thought it would all come back to blaming the Liberals. If you can’t cut it, blame the Liberals for it. Or fall back on slurs like that the person criticizing is “deluded”, or as you’ve done, “angry”. Anything to get off the hook. Pfft. Fact is, renewables are everywhere and prices have gone up. Spin it how you like, blame who you like, the renewables lobby didn’t deliver on their hype. Fake it til you make it seems to be their motto.

Rustygear,
I’m not blaming the Liberals, I’m blaming politicians who haven’t done their job and through both inaction and deliberate policy that have made things worse. The fact that they are mostly from the LNP is neither here nor there.

If you’ve read this website for more than two seconds, youd have seen that I often get lumped in as a right wing Liberal supporter, so it can hardly be claimed that I would blame them on instinct.

I’ve also previously promoted a structured transition to renewables that leverages existing fossil fuel generators to lower prices as more renewables proliferate, so i most definitely havent called for a renewables at all cost approach either.

Your comment is also ironic seeing as you are quite content to simply “blame it on renewables” despite the mountains of evidence showing that they are not the cause of higher prices.

Spin it however you like, “renewables” aren’t in charge of setting energy policy or the regulatory frameworks that have resulted in market failures and higher prices. You seem quite content to blame the correlating factor of more renewable generators rather than the actual causative factors.

If you can’t see how haphazard and often deliberately destructive energy policy has led to greater market uncertainty, inefficient investment and price gouging, then I’d suggest you aren’t looking very hard at all.

How about: if the renewables lobby can’t see how “haphazard … uncertainty ..
inefficient” (your words), then they ought to have been far more circumspect, with far less hubris. But no, they’ve dined out for a decade spivving it up with their promises. I’ve seen personally how green ideology is awash in hot money. And how everyone thinks the people who position themselves around that hot money are the holiest of the holy, could do no wrong. It looks pretty different when you’re working within that particular sausage factory. The fake it til you make it crowd, with the smoothest, silkiest wall-to-wall BS spiv talk get more money shoved down their tops than a stripper at a buck’s party. Don’t make excuses for them. They might not all be con artists, but there’ll be a significant percentage who are. Hold them to their BS. Their snouts are in the public trough. Otherwise, Chewy, I’m not against you. But don’t be soft on renewables spivs.

Your paying for the poles and wires to connect non-reliable renewables to the grid. One trillion dollars that’s going to cost and that’s AEMO saying that, not the LNP. Snowy 2.0 costed at 3 billion now 12.5 billion and climbing and it’s due to oroduce a single watt of power for a decade, if it ever does. Compare that to Bowen’s claim nuclear is too expensive. A large scale reactor costs about 11 billion. A small scale reactor about 3-4 billion (again that’s AEMO ,costing) That’s not a trillion dollars or even 100th of a trillion dollars. Yet too many people don’t join the dots of the Bowen BS.

Chewy yor doing exactly what Rusty accused you of and that is defaulting to the lefts political position Renewables without government subsidies are the most expensive power you can have. The reason for that is you have to connect these solar and wind factories to the grid. AEMO says that costs one trillion dollars that the ALP NEVER includes in their costing of Renewables. The other cost that’s NEVER factored in by the ALP is the renewing cost about every 15 years of pulling them down and rebuilding them. Where on earth do you put the thousands of hectares of non- functional solar panels and wind turbine blades. The turbine blades need replacing every 8 to 10 years. Again this is AEMO saying this not the LNP. It’s the left ideologs that are going to the facts bite them in the rear end, you included it seems? Go away and actually look up what I have told here, it’s all factual. Unfortunately yours and others inability to see fact is going to cost Australia is energy security and it’s standard of living before 2030.

Rob,
I’ve already responded to your claims above. The AEMO figures show that renewables are the cheapest option. The transmission costs are directly included in the research that shows this so your claims are incorrect.

Nothing to do with left or right, just the facts amd evidence. You’re doing the exact ideological dance I’m talking about.

Cool story.

Can you identify a single energy policy or advancement under the climate deniers lost decade when they were in power? Beyond SH2 which is a disaster.