8 July 2024

Almost half of Australia's EV owners want their ICE cars back, report says. Or do they?

| James Coleman
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EV sales continue to rise globally, but more slowly, according to a new report out of the US. Photo: James Coleman.

Last year, it looked like Canberra was Tesla’s oyster (to butcher a Shakespeare quote).

When new car sales for 2023 were tallied, Tesla was the second most popular brand – behind Toyota – and its Model Y and Model 3 were the two best-selling cars.

The US-based EV manufacturer shifted 1802 cars in 2023, a massive leap from 752 in 2022.

But six months into 2024, it appears our love affair with the brand is cooling.

Tesla racked up 1162 sales between January and June last year, but new figures from the Federal Chamber of Automotive Industries (FCAI) over the same period this year show that this has slumped to 989.

Toyota remains top dog with 1551 new car sales, with Tesla now in second place and followed by Mazda at 724.

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The Tesla Model Y has forgone the position of Canberra’s best-selling car to the Toyota RAV4, with more than 90 per cent of buyers choosing the hybrid version.

Canberra’s EV sales are still on the rise, up 14.9 per cent compared to the same period last year, but that’s largely to do with our up-and-coming new favourite brand.

Things were looking up for the Model Y in Canberra last year. Not so much anymore. Photo: Tesla Australia.

Chinese EV maker BYD has enjoyed a 160 per cent explosion in sales compared to the 159 cars they sold between January and June 2023 last year.

Where it only had the Atto 3 SUV to start with, BYD added the Dolphin hatch and Seal sedan to its range this year.

These start from $36,890 and $49,888 (plus on-road costs), and even repeated attempts by Tesla to cut their prices and compete more closely with the Chinese brand don’t seem to have made much difference. The Model 3 currently retails from $54,900 and the Model Y from $55,900.

BYD Seals in a mall

The BYD Seal and Dolphin has raked in sales so far this year. Photo: James Coleman.

Nationally, the Tesla Model Y remains the best-selling EV (12,516 sold since the beginning of the year), closely followed by the Model 3 (10,600).

BYD occupies third, fourth and sixth place with the Seal (4092), Atto 3 (3726) and Dolphin (1248). The MG4 takes fifth place with 2771 sold.

The EV market, on the whole, is up 16.5 per cent compared to the same period last year, but there are signs this is slowing too, with the first recorded downturns occurring in June (13.2 per cent down on June 2023’s figures) and April (5.1 per cent down).

As to what could be next for EVs, the experts are conflicted.

A recent report suggests up to 49 per cent of Australian EV owners would “likely” go back to a petrol, diesel or hybrid vehicle for their next purchase.

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US-based consultancy firm McKinsey and Co surveyed 30,000 consumers across 15 countries, including the US, China, Germany, Norway, France, Italy, Japan, Brazil and Australia – which together make up 80 per cent of the world’s car market – and found a combined 29 per cent (8700) don’t want another EV.

Of this number, 35 per cent said the available infrastructure wasn’t good enough yet, while 34 per cent said ownership costs were too high.

Other reasons cited for not purchasing another EV included the inability to recharge at home (24%), range anxiety (21%), changing mobility requirements (16%) and a lack of driving enjoyment (13 per cent).

Australia was highlighted as having the highest number of EV sceptics who “don’t like to occupy themselves with new technology” (63 per cent).

EV charging car park

Lack of EV charging infrastructure is a major bugbear for current owners. Photo: James Coleman.

The report does point out “global purchase intent for electric vehicles continues to rise, however more slowly”. Up to 18 per cent of respondents are considering a battery EV (BEV) for their next car and 20 per cent a plug-in hybrid electric vehicle (PHEV).

But a similar number – 17 per cent – say they’ll buy one more new internal combustion vehicle (ICE) before considering a switch, while the largest group – 21 per cent – do not want to buy an EV at all, with nearly half of that number saying they are too expensive.

The Electric Vehicle Council (EVC) argues that the report’s findings clash with broader research, which shows that only one in 10 EV owners would go back to an ICE-powered car.

“The future is bright for Australia’s transition to electric cars as more Australians seek to save money and also help cut emissions,” CEO Samantha Johnson told Region.

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The Electric Vehicle Council hopes new vehicle efficiency standards will improve EV sales. Photo: James Coleman.

The EVC expects the Federal Government’s ‘New Vehicle Efficiency Standards’ (NVES), which come into effect from January 2025, will drive down prices for new and second-hand EVs while more public chargers, continued Fringe Benefits Tax (FBT) exemption and “many other government incentives” will continue to win buyers.

“More than 50,000 fully electric vehicles have been sold in Australia so far this year – up by 16.5 per cent on the same period in 2023,” Ms Johnson said.

“This is coupled with a declining share of petrol vehicles.”

A poll that’s been running on Canberra’s Riotact site for nearly two months shows 53 per cent of more than 2200 voters “will be” likely to buy an EV as their next car. Up to 38 per cent say “not at all”.

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30,000 out of 10 million EVs sold worldwide is 0.3%. Well done picking a good sample good your research, McKinsey. I wonder who sponsored this “research”.

I’ll be driving combustion cars even after they label it as terrorism.

@Oscar Mike
Why not? A lot of people still ride horses.

Capital Retro12:21 pm 12 Jul 24

You can become a “freedom driver” like the “freedom fighters” in Gaza.

JS – you can read the future, one of horses, bicycles and walking, courtesy of this government

HiddenDragon9:19 pm 09 Jul 24

This article – from those notorious climate change deniers and Right wing culture warriors at the BBC…… – tends to support the findings of the McKinsey report (and not just because of anti-Chinese mercantilism) –

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-69022771

@HiddenDragon
Yeah – protectionism is a bitch, isn’t it?

I note that you haven’t added a link to any of the many reports showing sales of ICE vehicles have been on a steady decline since 2017.

Keyboard Warrior7:38 pm 09 Jul 24

What will a ten year old EV with a dead battery be worth?
We haven’t got there yet but all the cashed up public servants are blindly jumping in after each other… only time will tell!

Andrew Cooke7:31 am 10 Jul 24

Let’s see, a 2015 (9 years) Model is is currently selling for $40k on Carsales. Mind you it’s only done 70k km so might have another 10-20 years of life before the battery dies

Let’s check what a 30 year old internal combustion car is going for, oh wait its engine died at 300k km.

I’m not sure what your point is, electric cars, like internal combustion vehicles deteriorate as they age but even then an EV battery is usually good for at least 300k km while retaining 80

Andrew Cooke7:34 am 10 Jul 24

I’m not sure what your point is here, EVs, like ICE vehicles deteriorate as they age. That said the battery pack in a Tesla should be good for 250k km while retaining 80% of its capacity. How about you find a ICE vehicle with similar age/km and put it on a dunk and tell me how many of its original kW it’s putting out?

I think you will find it with degrade more than that. I have a science background.

@stevew77
So, as a climate change denialist, apart from being in the very much electoral minority in Australia, you are also part of a minuscule minority in the science community.

Accuracy is important. A “denialist” – I love that title, things are tough when name calling is all people have. Sticks and stones etc….yawn….

But seriously, people as an absolute minimum could look at the data from the Vostok Ice Cores – approx 800,000 years of showing CO2 **follows** temperature, not CO2 driving temperature. This is basic science.

stevew77, your claim about cores was debunked earlier by JustSaying, the nature of it exposing your limitations in ‘basic science”.

I have now challenged you on a few occasions to state your definition of “scientifically proven” such that it excludes climate change knowledge while retaining all other accepted science. Not once have you attempted to rise to that challenge, your sole effort being what I have otherwise described as the galactic (or was it inter-galactic?) seahorse; meaningless.

@stevew77
“climate change denial: rejection of the idea that changes in the Earth’s climate or weather patterns are caused by human activity” [Merriam-Webster online dictionary]
… as a practitioner of said denial, I’d say, rather than ‘name calling’, it’s a very accurate description of you. So yes, “Accuracy is important”.

This article (https://skepticalscience.com/co2-lags-temperature-advanced.htm) addresses the “CO2 does not cause temperature rises” myth which you attribute to ‘basic science’, when it is far from scientific.

What next? *yawn*

Yawn indeed. Havent you lot come up with original and actual factual rebuttals yet?

Yes.

stevew77 is the one trying to rebut an entire body of well established science from the position of a non-scientist, let alone one in the climatology field.

Im not sure where you are getting that 29% from, Its a bit like finding an iPhone user wanting to go back to a Nokia, im sure they exist, just rare and for a very specific reason. My experience online has been the Anti EV crowd either have legit issues regarding remoteness or are just Anti-Vaxer/sovereign state folks who have latched on to EV’s as the next thing to hate.

Ahhh, another deep, deep sniff. 🤣

People don’t care about EVs until you attempt to force them into one, and have other people subsidise your choice to drive one. Let other people drive what they want, and pay your own way, and watch how little normal people care about EVs.

Climate change, the faulty driver for going to EVs, cant be proven scientifically. I’m all for freedom to chose whether people buy and EV or don’t, but as climate change is a primary fabrication of the Left, I see no need to indulge their little delusion.

EVs also function as it appears the State is forcing its faulty ideology on the individual. All that does is get peoples backs up and people then tell the State to go jump. Climate change has also become a quasi religion, again it appears forced on the population. EVs are just a symptom of a bigger foolish agenda. EVs also tie you to a power grid and you have limited freedom. The agenda is all about control control control. If you have an ICE, you have freedom.

I will be sticking with my diesel forever, even if it costs a fortune to register.

Yep, stick to your diesel, a big slice in cost in CO2 was in the build and getting it from the factory to you. If you sold it, the vehicle will still be used until it dies. Just never buy another and put up with the ever escalating fuel and maintenance costs.

If you think there are no maintenance costs for EVs, you’re going to be in for a rude shock.

That works for me. Each to their own.

To be a climate change denier in the 90’s was defensibly. By 2000 it was pretty clear you were wrong. By 2010 it was very clear you were wrong. 2024 and still do not think the climate is changing suggests you are completely delusional. Fortunately for the planet, every else has moved on.

Nah mate, it just makes me informed and actually understand science. Climate Change is just shonky political fairy story. You can run around driving an EV and worrying about stuff that will never happen, meanwhile I shall be enjoying my life. But hey, enjoy tying yourself up in knots over a mythical “problem”. Thats your problem, not mine. Never will be. Bye.

ICE ties you to the Oil Industry … EVs can be recharged by a Solar Panel in your back yard. EVs are the choice of those who want to be free from Big Brother!

You have a point. I guess I prefer an ICE as I can go long distances away from the grid. I think in all this I’m all for people having the freedom to choose what they want to do in terms of what they drive.

I am concerned that the core basis for the de-facto forcing EVs on people, is that it cant actually be proven scientifically.

That being the case, my concern is its a purely ideological push and an unbalanced one.

stevew77, state your definition of “scientifically proven” such that it excludes climate change knowledge while retaining all other accepted science.

…and by 2024 we all know that there’s still a north polar ice cap, despite it being supposed to disappear by 2010. We also know that the enlarged Cotter Dam did in fact fill, several times when it shouldn’t have (even caught the builders by surprise because they apparently believed the lies). How many more failed “predictions” will it take before people stop unquestioningly believing the so-called “experts”?

Bill, feel free to supply references for either “prediction” from any government report or advice.

You are inventing twaddle.

You may also wish to look up the direction of polar ice growth over the last few decades. It’s negative.

Yeah so a few people have asked for scientific information that supports nixxing the climate fairy story, and yes Im aware of the scept science site, and certainly disagree with what they say. I realize there is buckets of money in believing in a climate fairy story. Meh.

So, a few references that explain that CO2 follows temp ( not CO2 driving temp ). And you see a cycle over 100,000 to 200,000 years.

The other key point is that if you followed the climate hysteria , by definition a CO2 increase should show a constant increase of temp over 1000s of years in a constant feed forward loop , but you dont.

Its a cycle. Its natural variability.

QED.

Petit, J.R., Jouzel, J., Raynaud, D., Barkov, N.I., Barnola, J.-M., Basile, I., Bender, M., Chappellaz, J., Davis, M., Delaygue, G., Delmotte, M., Kotlyakov, V.M., Legrand, M., Lipenkov, V.Y., Lorius, C., Pepin, L., Ritz, C., Saltzman, E., and Stievenard, M. 1999. Climate and atmospheric history of the past 420,000 years from the Vostok ice core, Antarctica. Nature 399: 429-436.

Fischer, H., Wahlen, M., Smith, J., Mastroianni, D. and Deck B. 1999. Ice core records of atmospheric CO2 around the last three glacial terminations. Science 283: 1712-1714.

Monnin, E., Indermühle, A., Dällenbach, A., Flückiger, J, Stauffer, B., Stocker, T.F., Raynaud, D. and Barnola, J.-M. 2001. Atmospheric CO2 concentrations over the last glacial termination. Science 291: 112-114

Mudelsee, M. 2001. The phase relations among atmospheric CO2 content, temperature and global ice volume over the past 420 ka. Quaternary Science Reviews 20: 583-589.

Caillon, N., Severinghaus, J.P., Jouzel, J., Barnola, J.-M., Kang, J. and Lipenkov, V.Y. 2003. Timing of atmospheric CO2 and Antarctic temperature changes across Termination III. Science 299: 1728-1731.

From stevew77’s first reference, as mentioned elsewhere:
“Atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide and methane correlate well with Antarctic air-temperature throughout the record. Present-day atmospheric burdens of these two important greenhouse gases seem to have been unprecedented during the past 420,000 years.”

Apparently it is stevew77’s belief that these 20+ year old papers are mysteriously unknown to climate scientists. Worse, stevew77 then disinforms by drawing “conclusions” (his preferred assumptions) wholly unsupported by those papers except on very simplistic, biassed readings. The latter papers, for example, are all about reliability of historic CO2 estimates, supporting analysis and projection of Climate Change. Stevew77 simply does not want to know.

Find here a quick summary and chart by some qualified people:
https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/sites/default/files/2021-11/8%20-%20Temperature%20Change%20and%20Carbon%20Dioxide%20Change%20-%20FINAL%20OCT%202021.pdf

Watching the EV cult foam at the mouth when somebody suggests not everybody likes owning one is hilarious.

I know some people who have bought them and are happy with them. I know some who bought them and aren’t. It all depends what you use your vehicle for.

I think you’d find a lot less animosity if people weren’t going to be forced to have one if they live in the ACT, and if everybody else wasn’t currently subsidising them, including the people who can’t afford a new car of any kind, let alone a pricy new EV.

“Watching the EV cult foam at the mouth when somebody suggests not everybody likes owning one is hilarious.”

Yep, popcorn and deck chair time.

And throw in the words “Donald Trump” and they just run around screaming banging into walls. Its too easy…..sigh…..

Andrew Cooke10:25 am 10 Jul 24

Similarly I love watching the ICE fanboys foam at the mouth and rant and rave against anything positive, negative or barely associated with electric vehicles.

No one is forcing you to buy one, why do you need to voice your negativity to progress at every avenue.

Yeah except you won’t be able to register any new car in the ACT that is not an EV, which is forcing people to buy one. Stop peddling lies.

So we just leave what appears to be the green communist state of the ACT, and move to NSW. No biggie…..

I already register my vehicles to my NSW address. Has always cost less.

I would suggest that it is you peddling lies Ken M! There are no plans by the govt to introduce restrictions on people registering their ICE vehicles forcing them to buy EVs.
Maybe you would like to provide a link to such a proposal should one exist.

My friend bought a Tesla. Was happy with it until someone accidentally ran into.it. That was in September 23 and he still hasn’t got it back cause parts are hard to get. So he drives around in a Camry.

I would never buy an EV as it doesn’t suit my.lifestyle. Won’t tow my caravan or camper.

We were in Young, Forbes and Parkes recently. Never saw an EV out there so maybe they’re suited for the city more than the bush.

Depends on the lifestyle.
Could see a market for solar recharging from your camper trailer, if you were staying a couple days at each point in the trip.

Capital Retro8:02 pm 08 Jul 24

It would have to be a massive sized camper trailer to have enough PV panels to charge an equally giant sized EV.

A report from a consultancy says? You mean, the people you hire to tell you what you want to hear? Who commissioned the report?

Having recently updated to my second Tesla, a Model 3P from a Model Y.

I couldn’t be more satisfied with my EV ownership, particularly with Tesla. By not having a PR team, Tesla frequently faces negative media coverage, which I believe is unwarranted and often paid for by everyone whose economy and livelihood will be affected due to this move away from fossils.

Australia is a relatively small market for Tesla, and it’s worth noting that they’ve even stopped selling their premium cars here. The Model 3P, with its incredibly comfortable ride is worth every cent. The best part about owning a BEV is the minimal charging costs, especially compared to my other car, a premium euro V8 SUV. The ICE car requires frequent repairs, annual services, and has significantly higher fuel costs. I have still kept it for the nostalgia.

The only advantage ICE cars seem to have in Australia is that we are a big country and perception is to stick to safe older technology, with many outdated models being dumped here compared to markets like Europe. The perception of Chinese EVs also hasn’t helped. I am myself not sure if i can trust my safety to them will give it a few years.

In my experience, nothing beats the comprehensive EV experience provided by Tesla’s supercharger network. The safety of their vehicles is above and beyond.
I believe that electric vehicles have a future.
No dealers, no service center telling me my brakes and rotors need replacing and give them an open wallet (really nothing needs servicing). This on top of the forever expensive refueling. I get a full tank every morning for an unreal cost.

Tesla is a very tech driven car and that is also a let down for people who are particularly enthusiastic about cars.
Now only if we can improve public charging infrastructure, we can have fair ground with all EVs.
Only people i have seen to be indulging in EV and Tesla negativity are gas station owners, traditional dealerships(synthetic fuels ahem) and paid media houses (who are blasting people with 40 click bait articles that have nothing to do with tesla in the content but still use the word negatively inside headlines to create a perception in peoples minds), everyone else is quite open and happy to move away from fossils EV or non EV.

You need to get out more then.
I know plenty of people who aren’t interested for very valid reasons, like the very well documented huge range decrease while towing anything. Until those issues are solved, they simply aren’t suitable for a huge chunk of the market.

I am oblivious to such a huge chunk because I wish to never see them on the road.
I want to silently ignore the tax breaks being misused for UTE buying.
This ever increasing volume and agresive road behaviour.
I want to be silent about the fact that every ounce of carbon offset and gains from EVs are guzzled by UTEs and SUVs.

Atleast I’ll be cruising along, guilt-free, riding my way!!

Ahhh, massive mounts of sanctmonious drivel. I can’t fathom why people find these types insufferable….

Guilt free? Why? Climate change cant be proven scientifically, so…..

“Never serviced” should be a real selling point when you go to sell it.🙄

stevew77, define “proven scientifically” such that your definition includes all other accepted science yet excludes climate change.

Your [lack of] knowledge of the topic is already illustrated by your attempt to make an argument out of a colloquialism.

Exactly what it says. Consult the following and feel free to debate further – I notice you offer no evidence to prove me wrong. So in no particular order – the Missing atmospheric hot spot, Vostok Ice Cores, the Hockey Stick graph that isnt, the proof that CO2 follows temp not the other way around, the Maunder minimum, the Medaevil warm Period where they grew grapes in London, etc . Take your pick.

Talk about a fast failure! Saying “what it says” is a child’s argument.

Have another go stevew77. Define “scientifically proven” such that your definition includes all other accepted science yet excludes climate change.

If definition is too hard, try saying very clearly what you think you mean by it, albeit if you cannot define it then your assertion “cant [sic] be proven” is merely a comment on yourself.

@stevew77
My findings from a very quick google search …

“the Missing atmospheric hot spot”
No longer missing – the troposheric hot spot has been found as per this article (https://phys.org/news/2015-05-climate-scientists-elusive-tropospheric-hot.html) published in 2015!!!! Wow … you really need to catch up stevew77

“Vostok Ice Cores” yep – along with the EPICA ice cores, prove the impact of anthropogenic climate change … as per this video (https://vimeo.com/97692958) published 10 years ago … gee, something else you need to catch up on

As for the rest of your “evidence” debunking climate change , well I’m not going to waste my time. Nevertheless, I’m sure it impresses the others in your small, and ever diminishing, club of denialists. Let them swallow your tripe – personally, I’d rather follow the global body of scientific research demonstrating that anthropogenic climate change is happening.

Keyboard Warrior7:45 pm 09 Jul 24

What’s a ten year old Tesla with a half-dead battery going to be worth anyway?
We looked into them for work cars but could not find any depreciation modelling for EV’s at all as they have not been around long enough.
I’d guess these carbon neutral go-carts will only be good for ten years and then will need new batteries or scrapping, not so environmentally friendly then?!

Capital Retro9:40 pm 09 Jul 24

What happens in NSW when you have to get the annual road-worthyness “Green Slip” to re-register an EV with a clapped-out battery?

Steve Anderson1:34 pm 08 Jul 24

So…….’a McKinseys report’….As usual, ask who the client was…….

Graham Byrne12:38 pm 08 Jul 24

As we head increasingly towards a state of “EV charging station pollution” I expect more people will look at an EV. For now, hybrid is the smart choice.

“The EVC expects the Federal Government’s ‘New Vehicle Efficiency Standards’ (NVES), which come into effect from January 2025, will drive down prices for new and second-hand EVs…”

That’s already happening now on its own without any encouragement. Manufacturers keep dropping the price on new EVs almost every month and you only need to look at CarSales to see how many 2nd hand EVs are for sale that no-one wants.

You’ll notice that over 90% of them are Nissan Leaf. They have an issue where they don’t have a liquid cooling system for the battery, so it’s problematic doing a fast charge multiple times during a long drive, plus the battery degrades fast. None of the cars sold by today’s major brands have that problem. BYD, MG, GWM, Kia, Hyundai, Tesla

Capital Retro8:37 am 09 Jul 24

I think that most of the EV’s in the ACT Government’s EV fleet are Nissan Leaves.

Might get interesting when EV owners have to pay their fair share via a road user charge. The free ride at other peoples expense won’t last forever.

will get even more interesting when fossil cars have to pay for CO2 pollution

Ken M, you do know that EV owners pay tax when they purchase their car, register their car, insure their car, service their car and charge their car. I know that IC owners pay fuel tax, same as EV owners pay tax on electricity.

Don’t care. Dodging paying full rego, stamp duty, and fuel excise. Pay your way.

We love our new EV. Feels good not to be spending at the bowser – noticing that difference especially. Keen for more infrastructure too.

I suspect that what we’re actually seeing is the momentum slowing for BEV take-up – but not stopping. Early adopters have adopted, and now many who would like to take the jump are waiting for prices to come down and infrastructure to grow. And then there’s the proportion who can’t make the mental leap at all due to FUD, mostly propogated on social media.

I bought my EV 4 years ago and very happy I made the leap. It’s true, range anxiety had it’s hooks on me at first, but with smart mapping tools and now more charging locations (with many motels and tourist destinations installing chargers), I’m less concerned.

The “high ownership costs” referenced in the article is also a matter of perspective. Sure, EVs currently cost more up-front than an ICE vehicle, but ongoing costs are minimal. My Tesla has only required two services in the 4 years with a combined cost of ~$600, and for one of those services Tesla came to me. That’s because there’s few things on an EV (with regenerative brakes) which require servicing or replacement, although I have had a set of new tyres put on. As for charging expense, my EV rarely visits commercial chargers as it charges over night at home (off-peak at night or from solar panels during the day).

On the topic of BYD overtaking Tesla in sales, this doesn’t surprise me. BYD offers good choices at a low price-point, and the Seal is truely a beautiful car (reminds me of the Kia Stinger). But I’ll currently stay with Tesla so I can maintain access to their supercharger network. Another reason people aren’t buying the same volume of Tesla, I believe, is because the Model Y is their most popular car and aware potential buyers are now waiting for the “Juniper” refresh which was hinted for this year but now for early 2025. If you saw what Telsa did for the Model 3 refresh which became available last January, you’d understand why.

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