6 September 2024

Greens renew calls to lower voting age to 16 after petition tabled in Legislative Assembly

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Andrew Braddock, MLA.

Andrew Braddock, MLA, supports lowering the voting age to 16. Photo: Michelle Kroll.

A petition calling for the voting age in the ACT to be lowered to 16 was tabled in the Legislative Assembly on Thursday (5 September), with Greens MLA Andrew Braddock expressing support for the reform to be made law.

The petition was initiated by Parker Jakab-van Dooren, a student at University of Canberra High School Kaleen, and garnered 120 signatures.

“The majority of sixteen and seventeen year olds already work and pay taxes, but don’t get a say on how those taxes are spent. This is taxation without representation. Sixteen year olds can already legally undertake a lot of ‘adult’ actions. Sixteen and Seventeen year olds can drive, consent to sex and medical procedures, leave school or home, pay rent, join the armed forces, and work full time,” the petition read.

“There is no reason to withhold from them the right to vote. Many other countries including Austria, Argentina, Brazil, Malta, Scotland, Germany and Wales have already lowered the voting age to 16. New Zealand and Canada may soon follow their lead.”

In 2023, the Greens introduced a bill to the Legislative Assembly to reduce the voting age to 16. It was voted down by the Labor and Liberal parties.

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Mr Braddock reiterated his support for the reform to be made.

“Young people have the right to be heard and have a say in the policies that affect their lives… they will live with the result of decisions made in this place for far longer than any other voting cohort,” he said.

“The expansion of voting rights from men without property, to women, to Indigenous people to those aged 18 to 21 has shown that the franchise is not fixed, it has changed over the last 100 years and it can change again… I’ll also note that UK Labor also introduced this as part of this manifesto before the last election.”

Young Labor MLA Michael Pettersson, who sponsored the petition, expressed general support for its sentiments without explicitly endorsing it.

“Our democracy benefits from having more people participating in it, not less. I have heard compelling reasons that sixteen- and seventeen-year-olds can be trusted with the immense responsibility that is voting,” he said

“I think I joined the Australian Labor Party at the age of 17, or 16, I remember what it felt like to be a young person that was very politically active… [but] there are legitimate concerns regarding how lowering the voting age would interact with the essential cornerstone of our democracy, that being compulsory voting.”

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In opposing the Greens 2023 Bill to lower than voting age, Special Minister of State Chris Steel raised concerns about having to punish children who didn’t vote.

“While we think that the majority of young people would vote if the franchise was extended to 16-year-olds, a significant number wouldn’t and therefore would be issued a fine. If they don’t pay the fine, they would be put before the court and have to pay hundreds of dollars in court fees, $288 in court fees, and other lawyers’ fees on top of that,” he said.

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Incidental Tourist9:23 am 10 Sep 24

Young people should be both adult enough to make sound judgement and also they should have enough time to make their mind. Elections are held every 4 years. To make informed choice at the next elections at the age of 16, kids as young as 12 would be expected to follow politics and they don’t. Perhaps 18 is lowest as 16 year old will have a couple of years between elections to make their mind.

The Greens really can’t hold a coherent position on anything can they?

They have been calling to raise the legal age of criminal responsibility from 12 to 14 because our youth aren’t old enough to understand the repercussions of their actions, but a mere 2 years later they are old enough to understand the responsibility of voting and having a say in our democratic lifestyle.

So which is it, are they responsible enough or not?

And don’t tell me the 2 year age gap brings enough maturity – having been a teenage male, at 16 I was still an immature idiot.

@theguru
I agree with your position, and don’t believe this is a sensible proposition

Your reference to the ‘legal age of criminal responsibility’, while being important (particularly the ‘2 year age gap brings enough maturity’), it is not really the most appropriate measure.

That measure is the ‘automatic’ age at which the courts treat the defendant as an adult – and in every jurisdiction in Australia (i.e. federal and each state/territory), that age is 18.

I wonder, will the Greens also support lowering the age for automatic recognition as an adult in the legal system to 16? Surely if these 16 year olds are mature enough to vote as adults, they are mature enough to be treated as adults by the courts?

Think about your 16 year old self and be honest, you would have been rather naive and seen things in black and white. As for being able to consent to medical procedures, sex and so on, that isn’t a decision about the whole nation, it just affects the individual. Third point, then I’ll stop, depending on which year you were born it might not change anything for which election is actually the first that one gets to vote in – there might not be one between your 16th and 18th birthday anyway (not sure if that is an argument for or against, it’s just point that nobody has raised).

Most 16 year olds I know are much better informed and engaged than people of their parent’s age.

Maybe you need some new friends Mary.

What a joke.
All political parties favour any specific electoral reform that favours their particular party.

I think the voting age should be raised to 35 an include an IQ test.

I can think of no better way to educate kids about the democratic process than participating in it.

If schools exist to prepare kids for adulthood and ‘the economy’, then voting at 16 reinforced with detailed civics education (that would be beyond many teachers I have met, tbh) would be a logical inclusion into the curriculum.

And the ACT, Australia’s most progressive jurisdiction is where this policy should be rolled out first.

Les, I’d agree with you on the education part – except we have to live with the consequences.

pink little birdie2:02 pm 09 Sep 24

I think it should be optional from 16 and compulsory from 18.
It means that schools could make a compulsory relevant unit in the lead up to an (federal or territory election) on how government works and which government is responsible for what.
But mostly because that transition from full time school to further education and work is one of the largest areas where government policy will have a direct influence on a persons life and they should be able to have a say in that.

no. same rules for everyone.

NO NO a thousand times NO! Lift it back to 21. 16 year olds have passionate emotions but a brain struggling to catch up in judgement.

““The majority of sixteen and seventeen year olds already work and pay taxes, but don’t get a say on how those taxes are spent.”

To state that the majority of sixteen and seventeen year olds not only work but make enough money to exceed the highly generous tax free threshold in this country is a blatant lie and they know it.

They just want young people, who lack the knowledge and life experience to see through the Green’s garbage policies to be able to vote as they know that they are far easier to sway with emotions based arguments and have never experienced a large chunk of their take home pay being paid on tax.

Funny you should refer to young voters being susceptible to emotions.

Because the billionaire funded ‘Advance’ campaign, explicitly anti-Greens, is using emotions and ‘the vibe’ to target female voters aged 33-49 to persuade them to vote last, with no reference to policy.

I reckon the kids are better than this.

https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2024/08/17/advances-plan-destroy-the-greens#mtr

They are certainly are susceptible Les!

When my daughter was in Year 10, one of her teachers asked the class who was in favour of an inheritance tax to redistribute wealth from the rich to the poor. 99% stuck their hand up and said yes.

The teacher then asked if they would be happy to give away half of their parents wealth. Not 1 said yes.

Once it was pointed out to them that they would be the ones paying an inheritance tax, the question was asked again, this time 100% voted No.

Unfortunately the left and specifically the Greens push the emotional issue far more than the right.

The Guru,
whilst I’m against lowering the voting age, your inheritance tax example is a woeful comparison.

You’ve basically just described a large proportion of adults who vote purely around self interest over the detailed arguments both for and against policy proposals.

It’s not remotely an argument against lowering the voting age.

I suppose this all comes about because the Greens – in a very real way – are no more than 16 in the head, too, and yet truly believe they understand life

The Greens only consider legislation that benefits them and not the country. They are extreme left ideologues

Green’s vote harvesting technique.

Of course the greens want kids with low impulse control and a want for “free stuff” to be allowed to vote.

Another blatant attempt by Greens to gerrymander the electorate to suit themselves. Essential poll (27 August) shows the overall primary vote for Greens is 13% nationally, but support among the 18-34 group is at 27%.

New Zealand withdrew the bill to debate lowing the age to 16 in January, they are now longer interested.
Canada voted on lowering the age to 16 in May 2022, it was defeated 245 to 77 votes.

Greens have been attempting this gerrymander since at least 2006. Elbridge Gerry would be proud.
https://the-riotact.com/deb-fosky-calls-for-16-yr-olds-to-vote/2265

Andrew Savoulidis10:35 am 09 Sep 24

Yes. This is a No-Brainer. I am self employed in the restaurant industry and employ 16 year olds all the time.

They do not consider news, outside factors all affecting spend. When formalising an environment of perfect harmony there is no justification how they come about it all.

Their comments are questionable all the time, but the time required to mature and make these delicious lead them closer to the age of 18.

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