21 January 2025

What range issue? Electric bus maker queries claims, points finger at inexperienced drivers

| Ian Bushnell
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Transport Minister Chris Steel raised the range issue but Custom Denning says it still hasn’t received an official defect report listing it as a problem. Photo: Ian Bushnell.

Leadfoot drivers inexperienced with electric buses were probably to blame for any range issues in Transport Canberra’s four leased Custom Denning buses, according to their Australian manufacturer.

A bewildered Custom Denning said range had never been raised as a problem and the last defect report, on 10 January, only listed several minor issues such as an indicator flashing intermittently, a coolant leak, an advisory light on the dash that did not mean the bus was unfit to drive, and a sensor problem.

National relationship manager Mick Neskes told Region the company had decided to take the bus with the sensor issue back to Sydney for investigation but the three others should be able to be dealt with at their Belconnen depot and put into service, although he said there was a hesitancy to work on the electric buses.

Mr Neskes said it was disappointing to hear about problems through the media, and that the first mention of range issues was from Transport Minister Chris Steel when he spoke to reporters last week.

“I spoke to one of the [Transport Canberra] representatives yesterday (Monday) … about other things that we’re actually working on at the moment and he didn’t even raise concerns at all,” he said.

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Transport Canberra said in a statement that the range issues were identified soon after departure from depots following extended charging periods.

“The need to remove these buses from the network was due to ongoing risk to service delivery on planned routes,” it said.

But Mr Neskes said some of its buses in the UK had just completed testing with a globally renowned certification company and the reports were positive.

“The thing about electric buses, and this was explained to Transport Canberra as it has with other operators, is that if you drive them like you stole them you will reduce your range,” he said.

Mr Neskes said drivers used to diesel buses needed to be trained to operate the electric bus properly, including regenerative braking.

“If they’re heavy on the pedal taking off and they’re hard on the brake coming to a stop, they’re using a lot of power to take off and they’re not putting regeneration power back into the batteries,” he said.

Mr Neskes said demonstration buses operated by trained drivers achieved close to 550 km, while the same buses in depots where they did not want drivers trained could only achieve 250 to 300 km.

Transport Canberra said it had a well-established driver training program for battery electric buses.

“Decisions about the removal of the buses from service are made by maintenance and operations staff – not drivers,” it said.

Transport Canberra said it had been in regular contact with Custom Denning about previous and current performance issues and it was up to it to decide whether to send a technician to Canberra or return the vehicle to Sydney, which is covered under the warranty conditions of the lease contract.

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Mr Neskes said there were no problems with Custom Denning buses running elsewhere.

He said there were teething issues in Tasmania, where a great deal of training was required, but only last week the company had received glowing reports from the operator.

“They’re operating well, they’re on the road, they’ve got no issues,” he said. “It took a long time to get to that point, and let me tell you, the buses didn’t just rectify themselves overnight.

“It was just more about experience with operating the buses.”

Mr Neskes said Custom Denning was committed to getting the Canberra buses back on the road.

The one in Sydney should be returning to Canberra this week.

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Please explain how these things got through the acceptance testing specified in the procurement contract?

Canberrans should stop complaining. You got what you voted for. 23+ years of incompetence and counting……

I am not saying a Liberal gov would actually be a lot better, but it’s just not healthy for Labor to be in power for 23+ years running. Canberra is apparently dominated by one ideology.

John Pedestrian8:12 pm 22 Jan 25

Stated range with ‘ trained drivers” is around 550 ks and with untrained drivers it’s around 250 to 300 ks. A large reduction.
Yet going off reports the Chinese made EV buses don’t have similar range and training issues.
While there around differences between the drive systems of the Chinese and the Australian EV buses, the basics etc must be fairly similar.

Don’t buy ” driver training” and even if it’s basically correct:
Why the F wasn’t correct training of the drivers part of the contract etc??

Tom Worthington4:21 pm 22 Jan 25

Modern vehicles have the equivalent to a black box fitted, which records parameters about the performance of the onboard systems. If the operator, or the maker of the vehicle, wanted to know how the battery was performing, they would simply interrogate the logs. Why instead have this factless, pointless, public disagreement?

So it’s a faulty coolant sensor not a range issue, or is it both? Then to blame the drivers for stopping the bus. How are they supposed to know it’s a faulty sensor and not a real fault? Carry a crystal ball? A poor decision to buy these pieces of expensive rubbish and an even poorer decision to stick with them with all the issues they have. Yet another instance of ideology overriding common sense. ONLY IN THE ACT could this idiotic behaviour be defended and not only defended but doubled down on and now its the drivers fault. No it isn’t!

A coolant leak.

Michael Pless1:58 pm 22 Jan 25

So… what’s Mr. Neskes’ explanation as to why the same drivers are getting the expected range from the 100+ Chinese buses, but *not* the Denning ones? Do the drivers need to completely different techniques for each? Sounds like a good reason not to buy the Denning buses any more.

Sounds like a government minister trying to deflect the public’s attention away from real issues.

The fact that this is being played out in the media rather than in private between TC and Custom Denning tells me that the relationship between them is very poor. So I guess Custom Denning can’t look forward to any future sales.

Make a new sport. How far can you go on one charge

How far can you go in ICE on one tank? Seems like a dumb sport.

How far Henry can go on ICE before he tanks may be another question.

GrumpyGrandpa5:16 pm 21 Jan 25

Sounds like a crock, to me.

If range deteriotion was solely caused by leadfoot drivers, you would think that the Yutong buses would also have the same problem.

I hope Minister Steele called them out on this.

He won’t because he failed to read the fine print in the contract. The electric buses are only start of life imagine them in 5 years. Range will drop every charge

Range drop isn’t that significant, life time is 10-20 years if used properly. Evs are significantly cheaper to maintain which nets off against the cost of the battery. Battery technology is at the cusp of a revolution that will make the heads of Luddites spin.

It’s 37 degrees next week. Are they going to charge in that heat? Batteries usually shouldn’t

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