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ACT Police want more Tasers

By johnboy 8 October 2010 104

The Australian Federal Police Association has sent out a circular calling for more Tasers while the rest of Australia is wondering if they’re such a good idea.

Dear XXXXX ,

As some members may be aware, during the recent federal election campaign the AFPA lobbied for the funding of Tasers (or similar devices) for general-duty officers in the ACT.

Currently, Tasers are only issued to the Special Response Service in the ACT and not at all within the broader AFP.

Yesterday, AFPA CEO Jim Torr renewed the call for the roll-out of Tasers in an interview with ABC Local Radio. In the interview, he reiterated the case for the general issue of Tasers and extended the ambit of our request to include AFP Officers in all States and Territories albeit with ACT Policing remaining the number one priority.

The AFPA has released a great deal of material over the last two years regarding the benefits of Tasers over traditional use of force options. Members are no doubt aware of these arguments by now and they do not need to be repeated here.

However, if you are interested in the latest arguments put forward by the Association, the ABC News article can be accessed at this link.

The link also provides access to Ross Solly’s full interview of Jim Torr as well as a further interview with the ACT Attorney-General, Simon Corbell, on the issue of Tasers and their potential roll-out in the ACT.

On the one hand you’d much rather be tased than shot with a 9mm Glock.

On the other hand non-lethal weapons tend to get used a lot more.

Over to you Rioters.

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Pity 2:06 am 18 Aug 11

p1 said :

Jim Jones said :

To be fair, there are numerous documented cases of police using violence to intimidate restrained clients, some of which have involved tasers, some of which end in the death of the ‘client’.

I love the reference to people the cops lock up as clients. I think I will have to use that for all crims from now on.

I think that is because they can’t call them scum criminals….

Timberwolf65 12:19 pm 27 Oct 10

I would rather be shot in the leg than tasered, I hate anything that will send an electrical current through me, freaks me out:)But it comes down to if you don’t want to be tasered then don’t do the crime.

Tooks 5:58 pm 14 Oct 10

Jim Jones said :

Spideydog said :

fgzk said :

Tooks

“Yep, happens all the time. And you would know, how?”

I can read. It happens.

Yeah, because sensationalised media stories devoid of actual facts is good reading and entertainment, but can often come at the price of truth.

To be fair, there are numerous documented cases of police using violence to intimidate restrained clients, some of which have involved tasers, some of which end in the death of the ‘client’.

To write this off as baseless, sensationalised media stories because it doesn’t suit your argument is pretty stupid.

Yep, it does happen (you’d probably be hard-pressed finding a recent example in the ACT though), but should the actions of a minority of bad apples prevent the other officers from having access to these types of tools?

I’m not particularly for Tasers, but nor am I against them either. I certainly don’t think they should be used as compliance tools, like you often see in clips from the USA.

From what I’ve read, many of the deaths worldwide attributed to Taser use are due to ‘excited delirium’, multiple shocks or prolonged shocks (sometimes by more than one officer at a time). If used as intended, I believe they’re a fairly safe option. Obviously training and accountabiliy are the key.

It should also be noted that many of the stats for Taser-related deaths include civilian-owned weapons, and do not just refer to law enforcement use.

Spideydog 5:51 pm 14 Oct 10

Jim Jones said :

Spideydog said :

fgzk said :

Tooks

“Yep, happens all the time. And you would know, how?”

I can read. It happens.

Yeah, because sensationalised media stories devoid of actual facts is good reading and entertainment, but can often come at the price of truth.

To be fair, there are numerous documented cases of police using violence to intimidate restrained clients, some of which have involved tasers, some of which end in the death of the ‘client’.

To write this off as baseless, sensationalised media stories because it doesn’t suit your argument is pretty stupid.

To change the tone of what someone else has written to suit your argument and try and make you look smart, is pretty stupid Jim Jones.

Once again shooting from the hip with no concept on what was actually written.

I have no doubt that the described behaviour has occurred and I also have no doubt that there will be instances of it in the future (sadly) But what fgzk was insinuating was this behaviour was commonplace and police enjoyed taunting and bullying citizens. Opinions of these types are often the result of sensationalised media reporting, not from personal experience or from research from reputable sources. THAT, is the point I was making, which you obviously missed …….

If this is common place, you should be able to provide some links to these facts (Australian cases mind you, were not American) to show that it not only happens a lot, but also frequently.

Hells_Bells74 4:15 pm 14 Oct 10

I could cuddle you, Special G, you’re so reasonable generally! Is okay, I shall admire from afar 😉

Oh, I could’ve quite happily cuddled a group of three policemen in the Mall the other day, yummy.. my boyfriend wasn’t too impressed when I drooled after them and said they could arrest me anyday.

Mmmmm.. you sure they can’t be more cuddly?

Special G 3:48 pm 14 Oct 10

The whole client thing comes from people wanting Police forces to be referred to as a Police service. PC crap using fancy words to tone down the image to make Police seem more cuddly.

It all comes down to what is reasonable in the circumstances. The force options available to the Police to get the job done are from simply being there to lethal. Tasers are simply another option available.

There will always be some form of Police crossing the line. That is why there are internal investigation bodies and oversight bodies to ensure it is dealt with appropriately.

Jim Jones 2:59 pm 14 Oct 10

Yeah, that whole ‘client’ thing is just freaking awful (I cut and pasted that from another poster).

Almost as bad as when people are referred to as ‘consumers’ instead of ‘citizens’ or whatever.

p1 1:34 pm 14 Oct 10

Jim Jones said :

To be fair, there are numerous documented cases of police using violence to intimidate restrained clients, some of which have involved tasers, some of which end in the death of the ‘client’.

I love the reference to people the cops lock up as clients. I think I will have to use that for all crims from now on.

Jim Jones 12:05 pm 14 Oct 10

Spideydog said :

fgzk said :

Tooks

“Yep, happens all the time. And you would know, how?”

I can read. It happens.

Yeah, because sensationalised media stories devoid of actual facts is good reading and entertainment, but can often come at the price of truth.

To be fair, there are numerous documented cases of police using violence to intimidate restrained clients, some of which have involved tasers, some of which end in the death of the ‘client’.

To write this off as baseless, sensationalised media stories because it doesn’t suit your argument is pretty stupid.

Me no fry 10:02 am 14 Oct 10

vg said :

“Capsicum spray is bad enough”

Its not actually. Short term pain and stinging, but it goes….speaking from experience at having been exposed to it probably a gazillion times more than you

I’ve had some exposure to capsicum spray. It does hurt – but not as much as…. well, let’s just say you need to be *really* careful what parts of the body you touch after you’ve been chopping jalapeno peppers, even if you’ve washed your hands.

Spideydog 9:40 am 14 Oct 10

Woody Mann-Caruso said :

*coffee nose spurt*

lol

Spideydog 9:38 am 14 Oct 10

fgzk said :

Tooks

“Yep, happens all the time. And you would know, how?”

I can read. It happens.

Yeah, because sensationalised media stories devoid of actual facts is good reading and entertainment, but can often come at the price of truth.

Woody Mann-Caruso 9:27 am 14 Oct 10

*coffee nose spurt*

Jungle Jim 9:20 am 14 Oct 10

Do it, vg, do it!

fgzk 7:55 am 14 Oct 10

VG why don’t you just look me up on the puter, then drop round and show me who the tough guy is. You could taser me till I confirm that you are the best and fairest policeman ever to type on the net.

fgzk 7:34 am 14 Oct 10

Tooks

“Yep, happens all the time. And you would know, how?”

I can read. It happens.

DJ 12:24 am 14 Oct 10

Has anybody bothered to look into the number of serious injuries and lives saved (on both sides of the fence) by the use of a taser as opposed to a firearm?

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