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ACT Policing don’t want to know about crime?

By peebus 15 May 2013 50

A recent spate of mail theft in my area energised the good samaritan inside me  to make a report to ACT Policing. Normally I wouldn’t be bothered however seeing how personal some of the mail was it angered me.

Whilst out walking the dog a couple of weeks ago I noticed a fair amount of mail torn open and discarded behind some neighbouring units. I collected up all the stolen mail and knocked on the doors of the victims, returning it with an explanation of what I found. I considered reporting the issue, but thought better of a one-off occurrence.  The following week I found the same thing, torn open mail in the same area. This time I thought it best to make a report to the Police. The following day I called them up. The uninterested person on the other end of the phone quickly interrupted me asking if it was my mail that was stolen. I said no, but it happened to other people in my area. He then cut me off saying “I can’t take a report if it wasn’t your mail”. I said OK out of dismay and he followed up by saying “I suggest using a padlock on the mail-box  and getting to the box quickly after the postie delivers it”. I was shocked that the Police didn’t even want to know about what was happening in the area.

So again tonight I saw mail strewn open everywhere – same spot – and decided to try my luck with ACT Policing again, hoping that maybe it was just one guy having a bad shift. This time the person told me again that he couldn’t take a report but would take a reference of my details.

What a sad age we live in when the Police don’t want to take any details of a crime in a neighborhood unless it’s the specific victim reporting it? Surely it would be more productive to take the report so they have a reference of what’s been happening.


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Blathnat 3:13 am 05 Oct 13

I must say I’ve had nothing but positive experiences with Police in the ACT (admittedly my exposure to them is somewhat limited, however it does happen every now and then through various means and I’ve never been on the criminal end of the Policing stick).

That said, I have heard some pretty appalling stories about some things recently. My housemate’s friends recently got pulled up on their way home from here. They both had amounts of weed on them (and were quite stoned at the time), so the driver got out and admitted he had a “fifty” on him. They were taken in and tested, he was given a small fine (it’s a pretty minor offense really). However, the passenger of the car managed to go in, get searched and get out without a single thing happening to him – he had $600 worth of chron hidden in his jacket…

p1 1:18 pm 16 May 13

peebus said :

p1 said :

Photos? You know, so we can be sure you aren’t lying about the racist part of the story.

Racist? Where does that come into anything?
You seriously want a photo of an envelope?

Actually, no. That post was not serious. Sorry for the confusion.

peebus 11:49 am 16 May 13

p1 said :

Photos? You know, so we can be sure you aren’t lying about the racist part of the story.

Racist? Where does that come into anything?
You seriously want a photo of an envelope?

Genie 11:24 am 16 May 13

Someone I know was recently assaulted, she was unable to call the police during the event as the other person smashed her phone.

When she was finally able to track down a neighbour that was home to use their phone to call the police they weren’t interested for 2 reasons. She willingly let this person onto her property and because she didn’t call during the assault.

Still pisses me off they wouldn’t even track down this person to lay charges

Tetranitrate 11:13 am 16 May 13

jessieduck said :

Crimestoppers might give you more satisfaction. As you didn’t actually need police attendance that would have been the better number to call. They can take your report and it’s logged in a database so that is a pattern of behaviour starts to emerge, they can allocate some resources.

What’s the point of having crimestoppers separate from the normal police number anyway? It’s not really all that clear to the public what the difference is, people generally know when to call 000 and when not to, but I’ve never seen it advertised “call 131444 only if the matter requires attendance, otherwise call crimestoppers” or anything of the sort.

p1 11:09 am 16 May 13

peebus said :

UPDATE: More mail found this morning – a small parcel this time. Returned it to it’s owner and asked her to call the police (assuming they want to know about it). She was very pissed off, but thankful for returning it.

Photos? You know, so we can be sure you aren’t lying about the racist part of the story.

peebus 11:03 am 16 May 13

UPDATE: More mail found this morning – a small parcel this time. Returned it to it’s owner and asked her to call the police (assuming they want to know about it). She was very pissed off, but thankful for returning it.

funbutalsoserious 10:46 am 16 May 13

Kalfour said :

I’ve reported a house break-in, two car break-ins, and a minor assault. For each of these, the police have told me ‘there’s not enough to go on’.
They wouldn’t even come to the house to look for fingerprints.

That is shameful.
I had a car break in a few years back, rang them, I could even see fingerprints on windows that I had only washed the day before. They were totally not interested, the attitude that I recieved was, why have you rung the police for this???
Why do we have Police in Canberra? To identify where to stick the next speed camera for revenue???

jase! 10:36 am 16 May 13

p1 said :

Perhaps next time, you should say a ten grand pushie was taken from you letter box?

yep, 10 grand pushy gets in the paper, $23 grand motorcycle gets ignored. it is a weird territory

Gonz73 10:20 am 16 May 13

On Friday last week (10th May) I was driving home from work via Northbourne Avenue, north bound. As I was stopped at traffic lights just near Condamine Street , a ragged and angry looking man (most likely a drug user based on actions and appearance) approached my vehicle and started trying to open my passenger door. When he was unable to open the door (thank god) he started banging aggressively on my window. I was terrified. As soon as I could I started driving and made sure I was well away from him when I pulled over to report the incident to police. You know what they said “It’s not actually a crime to bang on your car window” WTF, this man was trying to get into my car – not in a friendly “hey how are ya” manner either. I was shocked. I ended up logging onto the crime stoppers website and leaving a detailed report and description but yep, the attitude of the AFP left me bewildered to say the least.

p1 10:18 am 16 May 13

Perhaps next time, you should say a ten grand pushie was taken from you letter box?

Kalfour 9:51 am 16 May 13

jase! said :

Kalfour said :

I’ve reported a house break-in, two car break-ins, and a minor assault. For each of these, the police have told me ‘there’s not enough to go on’.
They wouldn’t even come to the house to look for fingerprints.

I remember calling to report the theft of a motorcycle many years ago and was told here is your job number give it to your insurance. When I asked them to come check the nice fingerprints on my freshly washed car (the bike was parked behind the car) I was told it wasn’t going to happen. It did annoy me as the Police Forensics Station wagon used to be parked 4 spots up from mine when the guys took it home most nights

I didn’t even get a job number. They basically just told me that it wasn’t their problem.

jessieduck 9:23 am 16 May 13

Crimestoppers might give you more satisfaction. As you didn’t actually need police attendance that would have been the better number to call. They can take your report and it’s logged in a database so that is a pattern of behaviour starts to emerge, they can allocate some resources.

I feel sorry for the police and the crappy jobs they have to do. I have to call them out semi regularly for an alcoholic neighbour who can’t function. She really needs to be in care but instead she wanders around barefoot in winter and screams at shadows. I call them for “welfare checks” and I know it’s not fair for them to have to deal with her but I’m sure as sh-t aren’t equipt to deal with her level of dysfunction. Whenever I’ve called they’ve visited her within 5 minutes and an ambulance often follows.

jase! 9:09 am 16 May 13

Kalfour said :

I’ve reported a house break-in, two car break-ins, and a minor assault. For each of these, the police have told me ‘there’s not enough to go on’.
They wouldn’t even come to the house to look for fingerprints.

I remember calling to report the theft of a motorcycle many years ago and was told here is your job number give it to your insurance. When I asked them to come check the nice fingerprints on my freshly washed car (the bike was parked behind the car) I was told it wasn’t going to happen. It did annoy me as the Police Forensics Station wagon used to be parked 4 spots up from mine when the guys took it home most nights

bundah 8:48 am 16 May 13

LSWCHP said :

A_Cog said :

What does LHPSWC think?

Well, I’m astounded that anybody would want to know what I think about anything, so thank you very much for asking.

My take on this is that it’s disappointing but not really surprising because you get what you pay for.

We, as a community, have to allocate public funds to a variety of competing things such as policing, physical infrastructure, public transport, education etc. Even public art works.

Overall I think the ACT cops do a great job with what they have, but they don’t appear to have the resources to be able to deal with crime of this nature among the general low-level noise of assaults, burglaries and other such crime. The sad thing is that while such crime may be considered “low-level” by some, to the victims it can be very high level indeed. I’ve been both assaulted and burgled and it’s horrific.

My children were the victim of mail theft a few years ago and it really, really angered me. Christmas gifts from my parents to my kids, including some substantial lumps of cash, simply disappeared into the grimy hands of some thieving mongrel. It was a really scummy act on the part of whoever did it. I got pretty much the same reaction from the cops as the OP. In the long run, the effect of this is that there are those laws that are enforced, and those that get an eye-roll when they are reported.

Until we as members of the community are prepared to cough up more cash to fund more cops on the street I suspect that this is as good as it gets. I’m not saying it’s right, just that it is what it is.

You’ve hit the nail on the head there for we get what we pay for and without appropriate resources effective policing is compromised.The same could be said of the judiciary even though many there have been accused of poor performance and inefficiency.

Tooks 12:00 am 16 May 13

Mysteryman said :

Tooks said :

Don’t like the service, put in a complaint. Although having police come out, collect mail from you, then return it to its owners, seems an inefficient use of resources.

You’re right. They’d better more effective booking speeding motorists. After all, that’s the only offense that matters in the ACT. Right?

Yeah, in between finishing the two or three briefs of evidence they have at any one time, managing their current workload, attending court, attending burglaries, domestic disturbances, shoplifting, other minor theft, property damage, traffic complaints, neighbourhood disputes, assaults, robberies, car crashes, visiting schools, breach order jobs, suspicious person reports, sexual assaults, suspicious vehicle reports, proactive patrols of trouble spots, stolen cars, recovered stolen cars, mental health incidents, hospital deaths, house deaths, arsons, check welfare incidents, check premises incidents…taking a laser out would be quite relaxing.

Kalfour 10:16 pm 15 May 13

I’ve reported a house break-in, two car break-ins, and a minor assault. For each of these, the police have told me ‘there’s not enough to go on’.
They wouldn’t even come to the house to look for fingerprints.

However, I called them once to report that there was a cow walking down Ginninderra drive, reported abandoned vehicles, and other non-criminal things, and they’ve always followed them up.
I’m pretty unimpressed generally.

In future, lie and say your mail was stolen. Or ask the people whose letters were ripped to report it.

LSWCHP 9:49 pm 15 May 13

A_Cog said :

What does LHPSWC think?

Well, I’m astounded that anybody would want to know what I think about anything, so thank you very much for asking.

My take on this is that it’s disappointing but not really surprising because you get what you pay for.

We, as a community, have to allocate public funds to a variety of competing things such as policing, physical infrastructure, public transport, education etc. Even public art works.

Overall I think the ACT cops do a great job with what they have, but they don’t appear to have the resources to be able to deal with crime of this nature among the general low-level noise of assaults, burglaries and other such crime. The sad thing is that while such crime may be considered “low-level” by some, to the victims it can be very high level indeed. I’ve been both assaulted and burgled and it’s horrific.

My children were the victim of mail theft a few years ago and it really, really angered me. Christmas gifts from my parents to my kids, including some substantial lumps of cash, simply disappeared into the grimy hands of some thieving mongrel. It was a really scummy act on the part of whoever did it. I got pretty much the same reaction from the cops as the OP. In the long run, the effect of this is that there are those laws that are enforced, and those that get an eye-roll when they are reported.

Until we as members of the community are prepared to cough up more cash to fund more cops on the street I suspect that this is as good as it gets. I’m not saying it’s right, just that it is what it is.

gooterz 9:23 pm 15 May 13

If they don’t record it its not a statistic…

Policing by the numbers, very similar to hospital waiting times and ER times by the numbers: they’re all improved by the way to collect the numbers

Spitfire3 8:40 pm 15 May 13

I’m surprised the cops aren’t interested in possible identity theft.

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