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Adding to the motorist debate

By Barcham 20 March 2013 48

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In this video (sorry they disabled embedding) we see three motorists turning around a corner at a dubious time.

Are these drivers doing the wrong thing?

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Deckard 10:46 pm 22 Mar 13

I think Canberra drivers need to try harder.

http://youtu.be/85dzsA-qKPw

melon1234 7:10 pm 22 Mar 13

goggles13 said :

qbngeek said :

fabforty said :

Are dashboard cameras hard to install ? After two terrifying near-misses in one day yesterday I think it is time I got one.

You can get them off ebay for about $40 and they just have suction cups to go on the windscreen

do you have a link?

If you’re serious about a quality dash camera, the BlackVue Dash Cam is well regarded. It has a lot of features that the likes of a GoPro or other cheap models don’t have, like GPS logging, G-sensor event detection, motion detection whilst parked and the new model has built in wifi for direct download to your smartphone. Plus it’s fairly non intrusive, and if you hard wire it, almost a set and forget. But of course it comes at a price ($300 upwards)

I’ve never used or endorse this website, but gives you an idea of what’s out there – http://coretech.com.au/shop/

JC 5:33 pm 21 Mar 13

mongoose3800 said :

This video makes me so angry. These lights were put in place to prevent accidents at this black spot. I was unlucky enough to attend an accident at this intersection, before the lights went in, where a motorbike rider was killed because someone failed to give way in the exact same manner as these idiots running the red light. Unfortunately, since these lights have gone in people run the lights quite often.

Interesting I turn here every day and this is the first I have even seen of people running the lights so blatantly and overall I reckon these lights have improved things quite a bit.

That said the dick heads have created new problems, being the bus stop that can be seen in the video. Placed at the bottom of a hill with stupid line marking. Won’t take long after buses start using this stop (which I believe will be when they finish the Starke Street intersection beyond the lights) before someone gets hit.

Solidarity 3:32 pm 21 Mar 13

Which is more evidence to the fact that traffic lights don’t work. I see they’ve removed the roundabout at the top of Lady Denman Drive and have installed traffic lights. Disgusting.

mongoose3800 1:52 pm 21 Mar 13

This video makes me so angry. These lights were put in place to prevent accidents at this black spot. I was unlucky enough to attend an accident at this intersection, before the lights went in, where a motorbike rider was killed because someone failed to give way in the exact same manner as these idiots running the red light. Unfortunately, since these lights have gone in people run the lights quite often.

KB1971 12:54 pm 21 Mar 13

Dilandach said :

fromthecapital said :

Ps. You didn’t answer the question

There’s no correlation between choice of transport and breaking rules. An asshole is an asshole.

That said however, one particular group takes great offence over being shown evidence of wrong doing and breaks out a retaliatory thread near immediately. If I see a car going through a red light thread or a collection of parking photos I shrug and quietly hope they get cleaned up or a ticket at the least, I don’t foam at the mouth and punch my keyboard until a cyclist thread appears.

…but hey, carry on proving me right 🙂

So you admit you were trolling then? Looking for the reaction you recieved?

When are car runs a red light (with the high risk of killing someone) you dont really care? But when a cyclist doesnt meet your expectaion of courteus they should be strung up?

You will probably find the reason for the backlash by cyclists is because they are over represented in the “I’m going to pick on another road user” whinge threads. Also, because the very people who are whinging are also quite likely antagonising the people they are whinging about by driving too close, not giving way at intersections ect (actual road rules BTW) & wondering why a cyclists get a bit testy.

It is obvious that the hypocracy of this is lost on you and your holier than thou attitude.

I dont think anyone would disagree with your first sentence & that is pretty well what most people were saying in your thread but then you disagreed with them anyway which was odd.

BTW, if it makes you feel any better, I had a go at a couple of cyclists riding agains the little red man this morning. I couldnt have a go at numerous cars that I saw do the same thing though……..

KB1971 12:23 pm 21 Mar 13

bundah said :

KB1971 said :

I would just like to say thanks to the guy in the Blue XR6 (8?) Falcon this morning who waved me across at the end of Dudley St in Yarralumla, you sir are a gentleman.

Unlike the knob in the Porsch on Alexandria Drive………..

There’s something about Porsche and knob that rolls off the tongue with consummate ease!

He actually had “Cockhead” screamed at him because he drove through a puddle that was off the road to deliberately splash me while I was on the cucle path. He would have heard me as he had his top down……..

tim_c 11:48 am 21 Mar 13

Dilandach said :

I thought you’d be white knighting a bit harder in the cyclist thread giving examples on why the red light was only a ‘suggestion’ or that no one was hurt so no harm no foul.

As this thread gives as an example, show a cyclist doing the wrong thing and you have people foaming at the mouth in hysterics “mrggghhh CAAAAAAAARS” complete with a retaliatory thread which shows the quality of thought process behind it.

…very little.

What?! No, because the traffic signal is not a suggestion – they are mandatory (though, as the video in this thread shows, it’s not just cyclists that seem to have difficulty with this). Unlike your “Dismount” signs which are advisory (black text on yellow background), and certainly not enforceable since they contradict existing legislation.

If you want me to “white-knight” for the cyclist in the other thread, you might consider that many traffic lights don’t respond to a bicycle (I’ve seen one that wouldn’t even respond to a motorbike). By not responding to a legitimate road craft, the signals can be considered to be malfunctioning and should be treated as a STOP sign (a lot of Canberra road users don’t have a clue what to do when they see malfunctioning traffic signals, eg. flashing orange or blacked out. Come to think of it, many don’t even know what to do at a STOP sign!). It cannot be seen from the video whether the cyclist actually came to a complete stop before proceeding into the intersection.

Dilandach 11:13 am 21 Mar 13

fromthecapital said :

Ps. You didn’t answer the question

There’s no correlation between choice of transport and breaking rules. An asshole is an asshole.

That said however, one particular group takes great offence over being shown evidence of wrong doing and breaks out a retaliatory thread near immediately. If I see a car going through a red light thread or a collection of parking photos I shrug and quietly hope they get cleaned up or a ticket at the least, I don’t foam at the mouth and punch my keyboard until a cyclist thread appears.

…but hey, carry on proving me right 🙂

fromthecapital 11:01 am 21 Mar 13

Dilandach said :

fromthecapital said :

So does someone’s choice of transportation determine their propensity to break rules?

Invoking me into this thread of tantrums is pointless. Its the same thing over and over anyway.
I say “yep sure, the car was wrong in this case. The cyclist in the other thread was also wrong.”
You say “the murder machine almost killed thousands! The cyclist in the other thread had no other choice. Besides, red lights are optional for bike riders. He did no wrong.”

…and around and around it goes. It’ll just be another 3 pages of that anyway so might as well get it out of the way.

Have fun chuckles.

Ps. You didn’t answer the question

fromthecapital 10:59 am 21 Mar 13

Dilandach said :

fromthecapital said :

So does someone’s choice of transportation determine their propensity to break rules?

Invoking me into this thread of tantrums is pointless. Its the same thing over and over anyway.
I say “yep sure, the car was wrong in this case. The cyclist in the other thread was also wrong.”
You say “the murder machine almost killed thousands! The cyclist in the other thread had no other choice. Besides, red lights are optional for bike riders. He did no wrong.”

…and around and around it goes. It’ll just be another 3 pages of that anyway so might as well get it out of the way.

Have fun chuckles.

I never said any of that.

Dilandach 10:43 am 21 Mar 13

fromthecapital said :

So does someone’s choice of transportation determine their propensity to break rules?

Invoking me into this thread of tantrums is pointless. Its the same thing over and over anyway.
I say “yep sure, the car was wrong in this case. The cyclist in the other thread was also wrong.”
You say “the murder machine almost killed thousands! The cyclist in the other thread had no other choice. Besides, red lights are optional for bike riders. He did no wrong.”

…and around and around it goes. It’ll just be another 3 pages of that anyway so might as well get it out of the way.

Have fun chuckles.

fromthecapital 10:31 am 21 Mar 13

Dilandach said :

fromthecapital said :

Where is Dilandach??? A rule is being broken! A law even!

Clearly the light was unclear or didn’t say ‘please’ before turning red.

Or perhaps the driver just didn’t agree with the red light and thought it was silly and should be disregarded.

fromthecapital said :

Where is Dilandach??? A rule is being broken! A law even!

He’s been sighted pacing up and down the cycleways near the back of the RSPCA in search of the “Cyclists Dismount” sign that someone in response to the “Dilandach Thread” said was there. He can be heard to utter “Slow Down” to passing cyclists as he wanders down the centreline. He was even wearing a hi-vis vest this morning (straight out of the packet, still with the fold marks in it)!

I thought you’d be white knighting a bit harder in the cyclist thread giving examples on why the red light was only a ‘suggestion’ or that no one was hurt so no harm no foul.

As this thread gives as an example, show a cyclist doing the wrong thing and you have people foaming at the mouth in hysterics “mrggghhh CAAAAAAAARS” complete with a retaliatory thread which shows the quality of thought process behind it.

…very little.

So does someone’s choice of transportation determine their propensity to break rules?

goggles13 10:28 am 21 Mar 13

qbngeek said :

fabforty said :

Are dashboard cameras hard to install ? After two terrifying near-misses in one day yesterday I think it is time I got one.

You can get them off ebay for about $40 and they just have suction cups to go on the windscreen

do you have a link?

bundah 10:00 am 21 Mar 13

KB1971 said :

I would just like to say thanks to the guy in the Blue XR6 (8?) Falcon this morning who waved me across at the end of Dudley St in Yarralumla, you sir are a gentleman.

Unlike the knob in the Porsch on Alexandria Drive………..

There’s something about Porsche and knob that rolls off the tongue with consummate ease!

Dilandach 9:42 am 21 Mar 13

tim_c said :

fromthecapital said :

Where is Dilandach??? A rule is being broken! A law even!

He’s been sighted pacing up and down the cycleways near the back of the RSPCA in search of the “Cyclists Dismount” sign that someone in response to the “Dilandach Thread” said was there. He can be heard to utter “Slow Down” to passing cyclists as he wanders down the centreline. He was even wearing a hi-vis vest this morning (straight out of the packet, still with the fold marks in it)!

I thought you’d be white knighting a bit harder in the cyclist thread giving examples on why the red light was only a ‘suggestion’ or that no one was hurt so no harm no foul.

As this thread gives as an example, show a cyclist doing the wrong thing and you have people foaming at the mouth in hysterics “mrggghhh CAAAAAAAARS” complete with a retaliatory thread which shows the quality of thought process behind it.

…very little.

Dilandach 9:33 am 21 Mar 13

fromthecapital said :

Where is Dilandach??? A rule is being broken! A law even!

Clearly the light was unclear or didn’t say ‘please’ before turning red.

Or perhaps the driver just didn’t agree with the red light and thought it was silly and should be disregarded.

The Traineediplomat 9:23 am 21 Mar 13

YHY44Y at the corner of Belconnen Way and Eastern Valley Way this morning… um, if the car in front of you (me) slows down as the light has turned amber and been so for a tiny bit, I don’t think it’s 100% legal to go around them and cross the line on red…. Just saying….

Hope you heard my little horn blast!

KB1971 9:10 am 21 Mar 13

I would just like to say thanks to the guy in the Blue XR6 (8?) Falcon this morning who waved me across at the end of Dudley St in Yarralumla, you sir are a gentleman.

Unlike the knob in the Porsch on Alexandria Drive………..

qbngeek 9:02 am 21 Mar 13

fabforty said :

Are dashboard cameras hard to install ? After two terrifying near-misses in one day yesterday I think it is time I got one.

You can get them off ebay for about $40 and they just have suction cups to go on the windscreen. A friend of mine got one and loves it, I haven’t got one yet but I am seriously considering it. I have had way too many near misses each and every week caused by morons with blue and white number plates. The joys of living in Braidwood I suppose….

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