Budget cuts for Action Buses and I dare you to tell him he was in the wrong.

Myself 14 May 2009 31

Action busses seem to be suffering from budget cuts. Where are the cushions ?


Now who is game enough to tell this guy he was in the wrong ?


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ant ant 10:29 am 15 May 09

I hope those seats had the correct cushions on.

Gungahlin Al Gungahlin Al 10:25 am 15 May 09

On Action, we actually got some bus stop seats in Wells Station/Harrison at last. 3 years after the estate being built. But this is a TaMS thing not Action, to be fair.

hellspice hellspice 10:04 am 15 May 09

p1 said :

My sister in law today said she saw a police car that had run up the back of someone. I suspect it is the same car…

probably drunk too !

vandam vandam 9:38 am 15 May 09

shutterbug said :

Mash said :

(2) Subrule (1) (b) does not apply to the driver if, in the circumstances, it is reasonable:

(a) not to display the light or sound the alarm, or

(b) for the vehicle not to be fitted or equipped with a blue or red flashing light or an alarm

In the circumstances is the key phrase here. If they are tracking a dangerous criminal and need to speed but don’t want to tip them off with the sirens, that would be legal according to that provision in the legislation. However, it would not be considered reasonable to simply exceed the speed limit for no reason and to keep the lights off where stealth is not reasonably required.

I should also mention the case of Norman v Spiers where a police officer who was driving at over 100 in an 80 zone hit another car causing injury. He was speeding and was doing so to get to a petrol station quicker to refuel. He was found negligent and liable, despite his official capacity, with the ruling saying “the driver of an exempt vehicle cannot ignore the risk of the method of driving”.

Basically, legislation allows them to speed when reasonably necessary. But they obviously speed often when it isn’t, and we the taxpayers will hand over the compo each time they his something or someone.

To be honest It’s much easier to get past cars without lights and sirens on than with them on. For some reason People get themselves in a real pickle working out what to do when a Police car with lights and sirens is behind them and in the end delays response time to incidents.

Further, there are jobs that Police go to, that prob don’t require lights and sirens but require a quick response – A collision with no injuries where traffic is caos for example.

ant ant 9:19 am 15 May 09

Damn tailgaters.

Hamilton Hamilton 8:08 am 15 May 09

Its a perk of the job. Bakers get free bread…….police get to speed!

vg vg 7:46 am 15 May 09

“If they are legitimately in a hurry to an emergency, regulations require their sirens and lights be activated and in such cases, their use of speed is justified.”

Factually incorrect. Ask me why I’d know this sooooooo much better than you. If you want to apply case law look up the NT Case where s305 of the ARR was applied and how it was applied.

Please point out these plentiful compo cases of which you speak. Better to remain silent and let people think you’re an idiot

“Ummmm……… bd84. If you look at most police speedos, especially the highway vehicles, you should see a sticker or some form
of notification telling the driver that their speedo is not to be trusted. “

The sticker you speak of tells Police the speedo IS calibrated. The speedo is calibrated with the applicable tyres on the vehicle

“To get your speed, a mobile radar unit will take into account the patrol vehicles speed as reported by the in vehicle GPS. “

Ah, bollocks. The vast majority of police vehicles have no GPS in them whatsoever

_billy _billy 12:47 am 15 May 09

This happened on a roundabout on Mirrabei Drive at the turnoff to the Platypus Shops on Wednesday arvo… they rear ended the Magna in front of them. I drove past just as the drivers were all getting out of their cars, so I’m not sure of the exact circumstances. It totally made my day. Gotta say…I’ve never seen so many cop cars rock up for such a minor ‘fender bender’ lol. The driver of the Magna really didn’t seem to be laughing, but I reckon he’s got some pretty sweet bragging rights: I GOT REAR ENDED BY A POLICE CAR, SO NERRRRR!

Myself Myself 12:03 am 15 May 09

Ummmm……… bd84. If you look at most police speedos, especially the highway vehicles, you should see a sticker or some form
of notification telling the driver that their speedo is not to be trusted. Police speedos are NOT calibrated mainly due to the fact that tires vary in diameter. To get your speed, a mobile radar unit will take into account the patrol vehicles speed as reported by the in vehicle GPS. The speedometer’s reading is deliberately excluded. That way, police CAN say that you were speeding iregardless of
their speedometer. If the satellite says the cop was going X, and you were going Y, you are screwed.

Cheers,
Myself.

Clown Killer Clown Killer 11:44 pm 14 May 09

A tray back ute backing into the cr would produce a fairly similar result – It’d have to be a fair nudge but with a couple of metres run up and if the driver of the ute wasn’t expecting the car to be there …

p1 p1 11:41 pm 14 May 09

My sister in law today said she saw a police car that had run up the back of someone. I suspect it is the same car…

Myself Myself 10:46 pm 14 May 09

Even more intriguing is the photo of the bus stop. It is one of those rare moments in time and society and yet, we appear not to give a dam. Yet !!!!!, we are easily willing to find fault and point fingers over something that each and every single one of us DO…

Hmmmmm……….

Myself Myself 10:43 pm 14 May 09

So…. I post a piccy of a bunged up cop car just to prove that they are not infallible and that they like us, do make mistakes.

Now we have a full on debate about us and them breaking speed limits. Why are we even having this debate ????. The fact simply is, we dont obey speed limits wether we are the public or the law. It’s just simply a matter of wether we get caught or not and wether we are willing to wear the consequences. The willingness to wear those consequences is what separates us from each other.

Cheers,
Myself.

shutterbug shutterbug 10:27 pm 14 May 09

Mash said :

(2) Subrule (1) (b) does not apply to the driver if, in the circumstances, it is reasonable:

(a) not to display the light or sound the alarm, or

(b) for the vehicle not to be fitted or equipped with a blue or red flashing light or an alarm

In the circumstances is the key phrase here. If they are tracking a dangerous criminal and need to speed but don’t want to tip them off with the sirens, that would be legal according to that provision in the legislation. However, it would not be considered reasonable to simply exceed the speed limit for no reason and to keep the lights off where stealth is not reasonably required.

I should also mention the case of Norman v Spiers where a police officer who was driving at over 100 in an 80 zone hit another car causing injury. He was speeding and was doing so to get to a petrol station quicker to refuel. He was found negligent and liable, despite his official capacity, with the ruling saying “the driver of an exempt vehicle cannot ignore the risk of the method of driving”.

Basically, legislation allows them to speed when reasonably necessary. But they obviously speed often when it isn’t, and we the taxpayers will hand over the compo each time they his something or someone.

Mash Mash 9:11 pm 14 May 09

Shutterbug,

Please read below (from the Australian Road Rules), paying particular attention to section 2:

305 Exemption for drivers of police vehicles

(1) A provision of the Australian Road Rules does not apply to the driver of a police vehicle if:

(a) in the circumstances:

(i) the driver is taking reasonable care, and

(ii) it is reasonable that the provision should not apply, and

(b) if the vehicle is a motor vehicle that is moving—the vehicle is displaying a blue or red flashing light or sounding an alarm.

Note: “Motor vehicle” and “police vehicle” are defined in the dictionary.

(2) Subrule (1) (b) does not apply to the driver if, in the circumstances, it is reasonable:

(a) not to display the light or sound the alarm, or

(b) for the vehicle not to be fitted or equipped with a blue or red flashing light or an alarm

bd84 bd84 9:02 pm 14 May 09

DJ said :

Myself said :

In response to Killers post, even the police can have a momentary lapse of concentration. The other vehicle had a laugh and drove off…..

Who says the Police vehicle was even moving? It looks fairly low speed…

As for other driving – if you don’t have the facts of what they are doing and how then your comments are worth a whole lot less —-> shutterbug. I wont explain it to you, you figure it out but I can see you jumping to the wrong conclusions…

It doesn’t look like the car was going that slow, though it is hard to tell from because it’s of the opposite side of the vehicle.

arescarti42 said :

p1 said :

I like it when they are doing 120km/h on the parkway, as I just pull in behind and match their speed…

Ha, now I like that strategy.

I’m always happy to see a police car go past me, at least they’re not pulling me over. Though the claim that they were speeding could be debatable, the speedos on police cars are normally callibrated exactly, unlike a normal car that speedos are normally set to slower than they’re actually travelling.

Speaking of speeding police cars, I’m hoping to see one of their newest “pursuit cars” in action, though it might need a long extension cord. ACT Policing recently acquired a Toyota Prius decked out in full livery (yes i know they don’t run on mains power). It lives in the cage at the City station. I have a photo but it’s a pretty dodgy one.

shutterbug shutterbug 8:49 pm 14 May 09

TP 3000 said :

shutterbug said :

What’s your point? You seem to be arguing that the police have a right to exceed the speed limit even when not responding to an emergency.

The Police speed so that they can catch the speeders ahead.

Then they are required by regulations to activate their lights and sirens. And if that cop car goes all the way to Tuggers police station without picking someone up, they weren’t trying to catch anyone.

arescarti42 arescarti42 8:32 pm 14 May 09

p1 said :

I like it when they are doing 120km/h on the parkway, as I just pull in behind and match their speed…

Ha, now I like that strategy.

TP 3000 TP 3000 8:15 pm 14 May 09

shutterbug said :

What’s your point? You seem to be arguing that the police have a right to exceed the speed limit even when not responding to an emergency.

The Police speed so that they can catch the speeders ahead. As if everyone sees a cop car doing the speed limit, they follow suite. But if you are doing 120k’s on Tuggeranong Parkway & they are doing 130k’s, then they will catch you from behind. I’ll then be behind them doing what is the safest speed.

bubzie bubzie 7:28 pm 14 May 09

Bahaha, the bus stop.

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