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Chief Minister to announce same-sex relationship scheme

Jey 5 December 2005 43

In follow up to the ACT Government’s request for submissions for the same-sex relationship scheme discussion paper, the Chief Minister will be formally announcing the ACT Government’s relationships recognition scheme today.

Details are:
Attending: ACT Chief Minister
Media Conference: Friday 2 December 2005
Time: 12.30 pm
Location: ACT Legislative Assembly (ground floor, just inside the public entrance)

This is an open media conference and everyone is encouraged to attend.
This announcement is craftily coinciding with the end of the Canberra Pride Festival SpringOut (website down at time of posting, but it was working yesterday). The Chief Minister received a Pride Award at the SpringOut Fairday.

Good Process will be having celebration drinks – from 6pm at ScreenSound (Pride Awards 6:30pm, Movie 7:30pm).

Unfortunately I’m unable to attend the announcement but will try and post a follow up Saturday morning. If someone else wants to post it beforehand feel free.

UPDATE: The ACT Government is in the process of drawing up legislation for civil unions.
These unions will entitle all couples, not just same-sex couples, the same rights afforded to married couples under ACT law.

The press release and a fact sheet on civil unions can be found here.

OddlyGood Process is yet to put out a press release, maybe they’re too busy celebrating.

I would’ve updated sooner, as promised, but the RiotACT was down for me since that delightful apocalyptic storm on Friday arvo.

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43 Responses to Chief Minister to announce same-sex relationship scheme
Jey Jey 7:27 am 05 Dec 05

ugh…better do it properly…

Jey Jey 6:56 am 05 Dec 05

It seems everyone caught up on the jist of the announcement so I won’t post it.
I dunno about anyone else but RiotACT was down for me since Friday arvo, otherwise I would’ve posted it as promised.
If you don’t know the deets of the announcement check it out here.

I’d like to reiterate that this legislation will recognise all couples, not just same-sex couples.
It will give them the rights of married couples under ACT law.
While it won’t help Federally, I see it as a positive step forward.

Absent Diane Absent Diane 4:11 pm 02 Dec 05

isnt it amazing the rubbish that comes out when one bends over…

Absent Diane Absent Diane 4:10 pm 02 Dec 05

The best fix would be to let the world go into a state of chaos for a bit (bring on dec 2012)… then start again with everything… nothing like a clean slate… get rid of any archaic law that muddys things up… and make everyone equal from the begining.. only through chaos can we understand the necessity for structure… on top of which only through a chaotic state can we wipe the slate clean and start again

Maelinar Maelinar 3:54 pm 02 Dec 05

ahh how the misrepresentation begins.

Fill your boots describing how inept the Army are at achieving anything, I’ll be able to back you up any day. My comment was in relation to their thorough and rigourous planning.

Bend your thinking caps in that direction chaps. Anyhoo, tally-ho, I’m off to the Durham for a tiny pint or 5 of lager, with Thumper, and NTP if he’s still coming.

Mr_Shab Mr_Shab 3:40 pm 02 Dec 05

“The world I come from saw battles where human life was a mere number on a piece of paper, yet over six months planning would go into a single charge to take a single trench of the enemy.”

…In which thousands of better men than you and I died ignominious deaths at the hands of barbed wire, artillery and machineguns as a result of horrifically underestimating the practicalities of such an attack, and nightmarishly poor strategy. The armed forces do not have the mortgage on planning. Nor do they have the mortgage on getting it right. I mean no disrespect to our armed forces here – but like our politicians, the army fucks things up with monotonous regularity.

Although, that said, if Mr Corbell was my Brigade commander, I’d be the first to desert.

bonfire bonfire 3:39 pm 02 Dec 05

be careful associating maelinar and arses.

he is sensitive in that area. piles i believe.

Hendo Hendo 3:30 pm 02 Dec 05

Just beacuse you feel the need to whinge on and on Maelinar, and because you feel that your personal concerns aren’t being taken on board does not mean that the Government doesn’t consult on issues, and take public consultation into account. There was over 400 submissions in response to the ACT Governments white paper on this issue…. did you put in a response? I doubt it, content as you are to whinge extensive after the fact and complain when others try to actually get off their asses and do something.

yakz yakz 3:30 pm 02 Dec 05

wow Maelinar you really love your planning (btw the 6 months planning to take a trench really did nothing but kill more people, rigid planning sounds good to me), i suppose the recent federal legislation is appropriately planned for you then

Maelinar Maelinar 3:20 pm 02 Dec 05

I come from a world where everything, and I mean everything was meticulously considered, and planned.

No model is flawless, but flaws can be catered for. Such as people in public housing reaching the fiscal stage where they can, and should, get their own house.

Strictly an omission that should have been catered for in the first place, had proper time and thought gone into the issue.

The world I come from saw battles where human life was a mere number on a piece of paper, yet over six months planning would go into a single charge to take a single trench of the enemy.

*disclaimer* – this is not a representation of the Army today

That however, is the precise planning, full thought, exacting planning that our governments are being paid, quite frankly, top dollar to provide.

From what I’ve seen, this is not the case. Nor am I paticularly expectant of a radical swing in the immediate future.

I only need to look around at the Ainslie development fiasco, Ginninderra High, the bus experiment, the airport, the complete lack of process in all the multi storey developments going up everywhere, and the infamous call in powers to be satisfied of my own decision.

I fail to see how a government more famous for ignoring it’s people’s concerns than heeding them can accomplish a complete integration of relationships, even within our small community, based upon this history of error.

I suppose we’ll all just have to wait and see, since they’re going to ignore us and do their own thing anyway…

Mr_Shab Mr_Shab 3:15 pm 02 Dec 05

No – actually, expediency pretty much always has to be the rule of the day.

Mr_Shab Mr_Shab 3:12 pm 02 Dec 05

Ahh – touche, Maelinar. A nice, neat approach that (if you could get if off the ground) would probably work nicely. However, given the likelihood (sp?) of the ACT and the Feds agreeing on anything at the moment (or in the foreseeable future) is approximately equal to Fred Nile marching in the Sydney Mardi Gras, I’d say it’s the best we’ve got.

Back in political reality land – at least it gives the people in this situation a little more say in each other’s lives…even if all they get is the right to access each other’s super and switch of the life support.

Yeah – it’s piecemeal, only addresses part of the issue, and will probably collapse under a really concerted legal challenge; but it’ll have to do for the time being. Maybe one day the states/territories and the feds will be able to work together, and actually govern rather than bicker, but we need to do something in the interim.

You can’t sit around waiting for conditions to be ideal to do everything. Nothing would ever get done. Sometimes expediency has to be the rule of the day.

Absent Diane Absent Diane 2:55 pm 02 Dec 05

I can appreciate your cynicism mael….but do you seriously think that any government at any time can develop a flawless model for anything…. everything is a sticky tape solution… there is always gonna be money wasted on all kinds of things…

I think the kids issue should be a means test… but for all couples… hetro/homo/vego what ever… if you eradicate people who who have a higher chance of being bad parents then you are reeducing the chance of having bad kids… cloning is the best solution though…

Maelinar Maelinar 2:54 pm 02 Dec 05

I’d work on the legislation, on a state and federal level. Once the product was finished, I’d present the national approach to the issue, and be open to discussion and change, although it would be so perfect that anybody who complained would be exposing themselves as the welfare-fraud they are.

That said, I would take great lengths to ensure that it was perfect before releasing it.

Once everybody had a reasonable amount of time to discuss the issues, I would reassess the legislation and make the hard decisions. I would announce the hard decisions, and set the implementation date.

I would then work, from the top down, to ensure that the coal face had the appropriate support to be able to deflect any negative crap from the abuse-the-welfare-system-if-it-doesnt-do-what-I-want-it-to crowd.

Hendo Hendo 2:52 pm 02 Dec 05

As a number of individuals commenting on this announcement appeared not to understand what the announcement was about – and merely used it as an opporunity to launch into diatribes about unrelated topics, I thought it might be useful to include some relevant information:

Q. What is a civil union?

A. Civil union allows a couple to establish a domestic partnership by making a formal declaration of their intention to be domestic partners before the Registrar-General or an authorised celebrant.

Q. How does a civil union differ from marriage, or registration?

A. Civil union is a completely new option that can be used by anyone, irrespective of sexual orientation or gender. It will provide heterosexual and homosexual couples functional equality under ACT law. Note: not under federal law.

Mr_Shab Mr_Shab 2:39 pm 02 Dec 05

If you want to change anything, it costs money. As I said – I think it’s necessary, ergo, I’ve got no problem spending the money. As for the associated fanfare, people need to be informed when things change. The amount of fanfare involved is probably not necassary – but as I stated earlier – I think there are waaaay bigger wastes of money going around that are worth getting more bent out of shape over.

If you’re right, Maelinar, and they cock it up, necessitating another bloody round of consultation…okay, I’m right there with you in the queue for a refund.

However – what’s so wrong with the change that it’s going to require re-doing? It’s not that big a change for most of the great unwashed. How would you do it better? I’m all ears.

Maelinar Maelinar 2:12 pm 02 Dec 05


So how much will this paper cost to produce ?
What about the ramifications ?
– such as the gay vilification march,
– the lectures, the speeches, the venues to get the message across
– the advertising, the bloody well rock concert.

And the crux of my issue…

How much will it cost to do the same fucking thing this time next year because this fucking one didn’t work because this government couldn’t tear their way out of a wet paper bag ?

All I have been saying all along, is they need to fix the issue once and for all. If they don’t, then I’ll be eagerly awaiting my refund of money.

Mr_Shab Mr_Shab 2:10 pm 02 Dec 05

“The government wasting time, resources and money on bs like this crap is the same supposed wasted money I’m going on about.”

Ahh now Maelinar – therein lies the game. IMHO it ain’t crap. I think that it’s a neccesary and overdue (if overblown), legislative change. Not like this one’s cost squillions of dollars anyway – there’s some far more expensive and unrepresentative bollocks flying out of the offices of Stanhope et al I’d prefer to rail against. Guess I’ll just have to agree to disagree with you on that one.

Both sides will harp on; either that it’s a long overdue triumph for gay rights/more evidence that fags are taking over the world, but all it’s doing is bringing gay and lesbian relationships in line with the rest of the community. Where’s the harm? Equality doesn’t cost jack.

As for the should “they” be able to have kids side of the issue – I’m staying the hell away from that. It’s a matter for people better informed than I…

yakz yakz 2:00 pm 02 Dec 05

FGS Maelinar the amount of money used is like worrying about were I put the 5c from the shopping money, Get perspective, if you wish to complain about waste there are a lot better ones to vent your spleen on.
By the way well said Johnboy

barking toad barking toad 1:52 pm 02 Dec 05

Thank you Maelinar for saving me the trouble of responding to JB’s comments. My point was that just because some gays decide to become a couple doesn’t give them the right to procreate – they haven’t got the plumbing to start with and they shouldn’t be allowed to get round this by other means. Bloke/bloke or sheila/sheila ain’t the right way to bring up kids imho. That’s not to deny that there are plenty of bloke/sheila situations where one or both should be compulsorily de-sexed because they are/will be shit parents – but that’s a discussion for some other time.

I note that South Africa’s highest court has ruled that the govt must amend the Marriage Act over there to recognise same sex couples. No doubt the mayor will latch onto that instead of fixing the potholes.

btw, I hope you don’t mind me plagiarising your stamp licking/tunnelling in future rants against gays becoming parents

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