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Concrete Islands at the New Traffic Lights in Holt – Logic please?!!!

By Chups 21 August 2012 27

Why have the concrete islands at the new traffic lights in Holt been installed in a manner that forces all traffic heading East on Southern Cross Drive to merge down to one lane before those cars wanting to turn left into Florey Drive can exit into the very short slip lane?

Why did they not keep the longer slip lane, facilitating better traffic flow for those cars turning left into Florey Drive?

To my mind, the following implications apply:

    — No-one will be able to turn right out of Starke Street at peak times. Traffic will be backed up past the Starke Street/Southern Cross Intersection when the lights are red.

    — No-one will be able to turn right out of Beaurepaire Crescent at peak times. Drivers trying to avoid the traffic jam at the new traffic lights will turn up Beaurepaire Crescent creating a constant line-up of cars turning off Southern Cross Drive. When really busy, traffic will possibly be backed up past this intersection as well when the lights are red.

    — Once the back-log of east-bound cars are cleared, drivers waiting to turn right out of Starke Street and Beaurepaire Crescent will then have to wait for the west bound traffic to pass that has just been given the green light.

The EIS into the first stage of New Macgregor showed an increase in traffic on Spofforth Street from 1200 to 5200 vehicles a day. Now that the 13 speed bumps have been installed on Spofforth Street, most of these vehicles (which probably number even more now that Stages 2 and 3 have been completed) are all travelling down Southern Cross Drive.  That’s a lot of cars travelling through the new bottle neck each day.

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p1 11:18 am 10 Sep 12

Chups said :

UPDATE – A couple of days ago, the newly laid kerb on the Macgregor side of the road was dug up and the road made a bit wider.

Hope that hasn’t made them blow the very low budget.

Chups 9:05 am 10 Sep 12

UPDATE – A couple of days ago, the newly laid kerb on the Macgregor side of the road was dug up and the road made a bit wider.

bundah 11:17 pm 22 Aug 12

JC said :

shirty_bear said :

Ex Warrior said :

Traffic along Southern Cross far heavier than prior to the ridiculous speed humps on Spoffoth.

Can somebody pls explain the thinking behind keeping Spoffoth and DrakeBrockman free of traffic?

Previous best guess was that someone (self-)important lives on Spofforth, and produced this triumph of NIMBY-ism just because they felt like it. And because they could.

Seems about right.

I believe either past or current MLA lives on Spofforth Street.

Of course the speed humps and chicanes that were installed on Dalrymple St. Red Hill had nothing to do with the fact that Kate Carnell has lived there for decades.I remember picking up her then husband in the cab and he delighted in telling me that he could negotiate the chicanes in his alfa at 75 kph.

JC 5:39 pm 22 Aug 12

PBO said :

As oppossed to the nicely flowing way it went prior to when the works were commenced? I drive down there all the time and up until recently, i have never seen traffic backed up on there. There was never a problem there to begin with unless you are an absolute f###tard of a driver.

Correct the traffic did flow nicely. So nicely in fact that it was very difficult to safely turn right out of Florey Drive. Hence people took risks and the result was an accident black spot.

Anyway we should wait and see what it is REALLY like once the finish. It may surprise us all and actually work, albeit with a bit of a delay whilst waiting for a traffic light.

As for the OP’s claim was having a bit of a look today and it seems to be that the left turn out of Southern Cross Drive into Florey will still be as long, if not longer than it was before. The only thing I reckon they should have done is closed the entry to the service road between Florey Drive and Starke Street and let them use the one further up.

Intel70 12:34 pm 22 Aug 12

“Why have the concrete islands at the new traffic lights in Holt been installed in a manner that forces all traffic heading East on Southern Cross Drive to merge down to one lane before those cars wanting to turn left into Florey Drive can exit into the very short slip lane?”

Un foto por favor?

Would help us picture what’s going on. I’m too lazy to venture north side 🙂

Jim Jones 10:25 am 22 Aug 12

thatsnotme said :

Jim Jones said :

At very least I’m hoping that the installation of traffic lights should help this by periodically stopping Southern Cross Drive so that Florey Drive can get a run. Beaurepaire St is still gonna be a problem, because a more complete approach was needed to treat the problem.

Gigantic roundabout.

Are you confusing Beaurepaire Crescent for Starke St? Beaurepaire is further up Southern Cross, leading up to the old Holt Primary.

Personally, I think the lines of traffic when the lollypop men have been active will be nothing on the chaos that will happen when the lights are working for real. At least the traffic controls during road works have only been during the day, and not peak times. Once the lights are stopping traffic during the morning and afternoon peak, the lines that we’ve seen will look like nothing.

I hope I’m wrong, and would love to report back soon to say it’s all actually working well, but at the moment the approach of only dealing with one of two problem intersections that are so close to each other, purely on economic grounds, is looking as stupid as it always sounded.

Yeah, sorry – Starke St.

To be honest, I don’t really care if the traffic backs up a bit, just so long as those dangerous intersections get a bit of breathing room and the all-too-frequent crashes abate a bit.

But I suspect that the effect will only be moderate, and that there will be additional issues with people running red lights (which seems to be incredibly in vogue at the moment).

p1 10:21 am 22 Aug 12

+1 for gigantic roundabout. Or at least some sort of funky realignment allowing for a so how controlled intersection. I think there is plenty of room.

But those options cost rather a lot, so they haven’t happened. Even though this actually impacts on rather a lot of traffic.

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