Disgusted with ACT Policing

Concerned 11 September 2013 70

I just wanted state my absolute disgust with ACT policing.  On Monday 9th September, my daughter’s new car that she’d only had a few weeks was broken into out the front of our house in Calwell. 

Someone had popped the window which shattered it so as not to make any noise, they removed the shattered window in one piece and placed it under her car, this caused more that $1,000 damage to her new car with the cost of the replacement window and the cost to have the bent frame around the window reparied.  Her boyfriends wallet was the only thing taken from her car (and it wasn’t in plain sight).  I called to report this to the police, and I was told they don’t send a patrol for this and gave me a crime report number for her insurance and as far as they were concerned that was that.

That same afternoon my daughter’s boyfriend went door knocking the neighbours to see if anyone had seen or heard anything.  This is when we discovered our next door neighbours have a CCTV camera set up at the front of their garage which can partially see our front yard as they’ve had their cars broken into a few times and they offered to have a look a see if they could see anything.

The next afternoon they came over to tell us that they had indeed seen the offender on the camera looking through their car windows with a torch and trying to open their car doors at about 3.30am before moving off in the direction of our place and it wasn’t some young teenager as we had suspected.  They then called the police, informed them that they had video of the person that broke into my daughter’s car and the police were not even interested in coming around to take a look.  What good are the police these days????

We have this low life piece of scum on video and the police are not one bit interested.  It seems that Canberran’s can just walk around breaking into people’s cars and nothing will be done about it.  I know in the grand sceme of things this isn’t a big crime, but it is still a crime for which we have video and undeniable evidence and yet the police are happy to just let this person continue walking the streets damaging other people’s hard earned property.  Absolutely angry and disgusted is how I am feeling right now and the police wonder why people take matters into their own hands!!!

One very angry Canberran!!!


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Blathnat Blathnat 3:01 am 05 Oct 13

CCTV =/= evidence.
For starters (don’t quote me on this, it might be old news), footage of someone cannot be used if they did not know they were being filmed, which is why every public area with cameras has big signs up saying “you are being filmed”.
Secondly, all the CCTV footage does, is give the police something to work off. It’s not like TV where they have fancy facial recognition programs of every person to ever go outside in Australia. Unless this person was a known criminal and they have his face on record they won’t have any idea who he is. They aren’t going to pay someone an hourly wage to sift through hundreds of potential photos. They also cannot afford to post a photo of this person in local newspapers/TV etc, as it is insanely costly to do so.

I’m not entirely sure what you wanted the police to do about this whole thing. Your ‘evidence’ is shady, and the amount of manpower involved in tracking him down (hours to identify him, hours to trace him, hours to compile evidence, hours to perform forensic tests on the car for evidence) would likely have cost 10x at a minimum what the loss was.

Also, I should point this out: A new car with P-plates parked on the street (even in the driveway) is just asking for trouble. It indicates that your family is well-to-do (given that you can buy your 18 year old a car), meaning any valuables in the car are probably worth it. It’s also pretty well-known that the younger generation is more likely to have things like wallets, phones, ipads, laptops etc sitting in their car.
As for insurance, given the high-cost of insuring an 18 year old, it might be smarter to insure it under your name until she reaches the age where it gets cheaper, and have her listed as a part-time driver in the meantime. It’s what my parents did for me (though they didn’t buy me a new car) and when my car was broken into, it cost me all of $300 to have 3 windows, the front seat and a $1500 stereo replaced fully.

I offer you my sympathy, but what did you honestly think would happen?

TL;DR: QQ more

Fayne Fayne 6:25 am 15 Sep 13

OPs neighbour must be growing drugs, if they have CCTV. Refer story ACT police setup in Civic showing grow houses. I have CCTV, I was broken into recently and feel the need to protect myself. Seems the police want more reports; dunno why, they do nothing.
ACT police are evil, particularly the women. I reported a rape and was told by the phone operator that my story did not depict rape and she refused to interview me.
Years later I read about a very similar rape in the paper which was going through the courts. I rang the rape crisis centre and told my story. The counsellour urged me to contact the police again, with her support. The counsellour indicated that she was aware of the police turning away many rape victims without interview. The counsellour stressed that what happened to me was rape, and that I was not at fault. I was devastated and confused; still am.
I did not go back to the police. Why bother.
I feel worthless thinking back on it

Fayne Fayne 6:18 am 15 Sep 13

OPs neighbour must be growing drugs, if they have CCTV. Refer story ACT police setup in Civic showing grow houses.
ACT police are evil, particularly the women. I reported a rape and was told by the phone operator that my story did not depict rape and she refused to interview me.
Years later I read about a very similar rape in the paper which was going through the courts. I rang the rape crisis centre and told my story. The counsellour urged me to contact the police again, with her support. The counsellour indicated that she was aware of the police turning away many rape victims without interview. The counsellour stressed that what happened to me was rape, and that I was not at fault. I was devastated and confused; still am.
I did not go back to the police. Why bother.
I feel worthless thinking back on it

carnardly carnardly 12:47 pm 13 Sep 13

We’ve all worked hard to buy our cars. Unfortunately a video of someone staring into next door’s car is not proof that the same dude busted into your car.

Call a spade a spade, but as others have said – even if someone could identify Mr carstalker on a video at midnight, unless you see him breaking in to your car A plus B doesn’t always equal C. If you can’t put it away, get it alarmed. Sure, it’s shutting the gate after the horse has bolted, but it’ll stop there being a next time…

James_Ryan James_Ryan 10:39 am 13 Sep 13

Simon.Corbell@act.gov.au

Write to the Police Minister and request a response. Then publish it here so the ACT Community has got a better idea of what to expect from Police when they attempt to report crime.

It’d be good if RA can host the CCTV footage here too.

Concerned Concerned 10:17 am 13 Sep 13

miz said :

We had similar car incident in our street as the OP (also Tuggers) and, similarly, police refused to attend even though the glass was still on one piece and could have been fingerprinted. Very angry making. Tuggers police have a big PR problem because of their non-attendance problem.

Sorry to hear you had the same thing happen, seems it might be the same person as I’ve heard a few people in Tugg now say their cars were broken into the same way, the piece of glass from my daughters car, while shattered was in one piece and had been placed carefully under her car…. and this guy, who wears a hat, a big coat and carries a backpack will keep getting away with it because the police just don’t want to do anything about it!!! The worst thing was seeing my daughters face when I told her what had happened (I noticed it as I pulled out the driveway to go to work), she had worked so hard for this car and then seeing her face when I told her the police weren’t going to do a damn thing about it!!!!!

Pitchka Pitchka 9:00 am 13 Sep 13

Skidd Marx said :

It probably didn’t take you long to work out that the majority of people on this site are complete wankers.

I’d be pissed with the cops too.

Yes they are, and quite frankly, im sick of it… PISS OFF YA WANKERS!!!

miz miz 11:10 pm 12 Sep 13

We had similar car incident in our street as the OP (also Tuggers) and, similarly, police refused to attend even though the glass was still on one piece and could have been fingerprinted. Very angry making. Tuggers police have a big PR problem because of their non-attendance problem.

Skidd Marx Skidd Marx 9:06 pm 12 Sep 13

It probably didn’t take you long to work out that the majority of people on this site are complete wankers.

I’d be pissed with the cops too.

IrishPete IrishPete 9:05 pm 12 Sep 13

DrKoresh said :

Would calling 131 444 help? I’m under the impression that the call goes directly to your local police station. I remember calling it once as a teenager, and I’m fairly sure it was answered by an actual officer. He was great, very affable, especially considering I’d just rung-up to ask whether or not smoking tobacco through a bong in public is legal (it is, if anyone is wondering).

Apologies for being a Grumpy Old Man (a little prematurely), but I’d have had you charged with wasting police time…

IP

DrKoresh DrKoresh 8:19 pm 12 Sep 13

Concerned said :

DrKoresh said :

Would calling 131 444 help? I’m under the impression that the call goes directly to your local police station. I remember calling it once as a teenager, and I’m fairly sure it was answered by an actual officer. He was great, very affable, especially considering I’d just rung-up to ask whether or not smoking tobacco through a bong in public is legal (it is, if anyone is wondering).

It’s not the emergency number, but the OP doesn’t describe an emergency, so maybe it’d be worth getting in contact with a police station directly.

That was the number I called!

Well I’m fresh out of ideas then 🙁

CoffinRX2 CoffinRX2 7:38 pm 12 Sep 13

Post the CCTV

In a kind of related story, approx 4 weeks ago a friend in Florey had discovered that while he was at work, someone had taken the liberty to take somewhere in the vicinity of $1000 – $1500 in car parts and structural steel from within the boundaries of his property.

Little did the thief know that there was a CCTV pointing right at him for the 6 minutes he was stealing property that wasnt his. One picture was posted on social media (it was a unique car that he was driving) we had a business name (which was on the side of the car .. just not enough resolution to read it) address and rego all within 2 hours.

Turns out the driver of Alexander Crane and Tipper Hire goes around scouting for “scrap metal” and this time got caught red handed.

So posting some CCTV footage could well be helpful in identifying the alleged suspect

Concerned Concerned 7:27 pm 12 Sep 13

DrKoresh said :

Would calling 131 444 help? I’m under the impression that the call goes directly to your local police station. I remember calling it once as a teenager, and I’m fairly sure it was answered by an actual officer. He was great, very affable, especially considering I’d just rung-up to ask whether or not smoking tobacco through a bong in public is legal (it is, if anyone is wondering).

It’s not the emergency number, but the OP doesn’t describe an emergency, so maybe it’d be worth getting in contact with a police station directly.

That was the number I called!

Special G Special G 7:00 pm 12 Sep 13

I’ve seen the movies and most likely the police were sitting back drinking coffee and eating donuts. Either that or scoffing some Maccas.

Post the video up and lets have a look at the CCTV.

Police in the ACT do not respond to car break ins. They take a report over the phone or at the station.

Take the evidence and go down to your local station and speak with a police officer over the counter.

Get back to us with how the service was.

c_c™ c_c™ 6:30 pm 12 Sep 13

I should add that I not long ago witnessed a vehicle hit another vehicle and speed off in a car park. ACT Policing were happy to take details and the officer (someone in the traffic division who I was put through to via 131 444) asked a series of questions, the answers to which were noted down (could hear the typing). It was a minor incident, the other car only had some bumper damage, but they were on top of it.

c_c™ c_c™ 6:26 pm 12 Sep 13

IrishPete said :

c_c™ said :

There are thousands of vehicle theft offences every year in the ACT, and Police and insurers are always reminding people to remove potential rewards (visible or not) and remove the opportunity.

I hate to inject facts into an argument, but in the April to June quarter this year there were 205 motor vehicle thefts of which just 13 were cleared up, i.e. 6%. (To be fair, that should read “which were cleared up in that quarter”, but it’s still unimpressive).

There were other 2740 thefts reported of which 13% were cleared up.

So are there thousands of thefts from vehicles each year? Well, if there are it’s probably a fairly low number of thousands, because many of the 2740 thefts in that quarter would have been non-vehicle-related.

There probably is a source of stats for theft from a vehicle, maybe the ABS, but I can’t easily find it right now.

But it’s the clear-up rate that is instructive.

Clear-up does not need to mean a successful conviction (that takes many months or years in the ACT) – the stats clearly show the low priority given to vehicle crime, despite the risks to life and limb that it poses.

Not that burglary is much different, with 627 reported offences and only 6% cleared up.

These stats are easily available on the JaCS website.

The ACT Policing crime stats webpage http://www.police.act.gov.au/crime-and-safety/crime-statistics.aspx is hard to navigate.

IP

The AFP stats page is super easy to navigate, you just have to know how to use the filters on the right.

In 2012, there were 1137 motor vehicle thefts (i.e. vehicles stollen), 9979 other theft offences (i.e. other than whole vehicles stollen).

(There were only 2446 burglary offences, which is defined as breaking into a structure to commit an offence and 213 robbery offences, which would suggest around 2/3 occurs elsewhere, in other circumstances).

DrKoresh said :

Would calling 131 444 help? I’m under the impression that the call goes directly to your local police station. I remember calling it once as a teenager, and I’m fairly sure it was answered by an actual officer. He was great, very affable, especially considering I’d just rung-up to ask whether or not smoking tobacco through a bong in public is legal (it is, if anyone is wondering).

No, whether you call the 62- number or the 131 number, it goes to Police comms in Belco.

DrKoresh DrKoresh 4:54 pm 12 Sep 13

Would calling 131 444 help? I’m under the impression that the call goes directly to your local police station. I remember calling it once as a teenager, and I’m fairly sure it was answered by an actual officer. He was great, very affable, especially considering I’d just rung-up to ask whether or not smoking tobacco through a bong in public is legal (it is, if anyone is wondering).

It’s not the emergency number, but the OP doesn’t describe an emergency, so maybe it’d be worth getting in contact with a police station directly.

Silentforce Silentforce 4:25 pm 12 Sep 13

I suspect that we have ‘paper police’ who click radio buttons on PROMIS, tick and cross paper forms that are scanned and inputted onto PROMIS attachments; reviewed by a “Sarge” for correctness without reading field notes and then signed off for correctness.

The real investigation starts after an audit or complaint.

zorro29 zorro29 4:18 pm 12 Sep 13

without reading all the other responses, i just wanted to add a similar experience where my sister had her brand new car egged (less than 2 weeks old) by drunken hags wandering along commonwealth avenue bridge (causing the whole door needing to be removed and repainted ultimately as it chipped all the paint off, left dents and was a red car which is hard to touch up – cost over $500 and was obviously not worth doing through insurance) but again the police did nothing – pretty much said they took a report, thanks for calling

would be nice if they patrolled or waited for other complaints/more info

so it is pretty poor….i feel for you

Mike Bessenger Mike Bessenger 2:10 pm 12 Sep 13

Obviously the police won’t help. Put the video up on youtube, spread it on social networking sites and let the public help. You’ll probably have a better response anyway.

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