Driver caught exceeding speed limit by 90km/h

http://www.monash.edu.au/news/show/road-safety-cameras-at-intersections-save-lives-dollars

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A landmark study has found that despite the public’s perception that road safety cameras are merely revenue raising devices, they significantly reduce road accidents and so save Victoria millions of dollars annually in associated crash costs.

The Monash University Accident Research Centre (MUARC) study found that fixed digital speed and red light (FDSRL) cameras caused a decrease in casualty crashes of between 26 and 47 per cent, depending on vehicle approach, in the areas immediately surrounding their placement.

NellyBean said :

Martlark said :

NellyBean said :

I’m of the opinion that being stopped by the police in itself has a more profound effect on reducing speeding than receiving a fine a few days after the fact.

Your opinion does not coincide with research on speeding and ways to control it. Only the likely hood of being detected has deterrence value.

can you please link me to the research you speak of?

…The authors accepted a total of 35 studies for review which met the pre-set criteria. All studies reporting speed outcomes reported
a reduction in average speeds post intervention with speed cameras. Speed was also reported as either reductions in the percentage
of speeding vehicles (drivers), as percentage speeding reductions over various speed limits, or as reductions in percentages of top end
speeders. A reduction in the proportion of speeding vehicles (drivers) over the accepted posted speed limit, ranged from 8% to 70%
with most countries reporting reductions in the 10 to 35% range.
Twenty eight studies measured the effect on crashes. All 28 studies found a lower number of crashes in the speed camera areas after
implementation of the program. In the vicinity of camera sites, the reductions ranged from 8% to 49% for all crashes, with reductions
for most studies in the 14% to 25% range. For injury crashes the decrease ranged between 8% to 50% and for crashes resulting in
fatalities or serious injuries the reductions were in the range of 11% to 44%. Effects over wider areas showed reductions for all crashes
ranging from 9% to 35%, with most studies reporting reductions in the 11% to to 27% range. For crashes resulting in death or serious
injury reductions ranged from 17% to 58%, with most studies reporting this result in the 30% to 40% reduction range. The studies
of longer duration showed that these positive trends were either maintained or improved with time….

http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/1133_cochrane.pdf

p1 said :

P2P cameras make me go slow for the length of the measurement zone – more effective then single point cameras, but still somewhat limited unless they whack them on every single light pole. They should allow the mobile cameras to be hidden in wheelibins, random unmarked cars, shrubberies, and the like. After the tickets start turning up in the mail from them, people will certainly change their habits.

I believe the argument against hidden speed cameras will again be ‘you are only revenue raising”. I agree, hidden speed cameras make much more sense than mobile ones that can be spotted from miles away.

No revenue is raised if you choose to obey the law. Likewise, even if they do serve a function as revenue raisers, is that an issue? You have to raise revenue somehow. Fining law breakers seems a good way to go about it.

Martlark said :

Your opinion does not coincide with research on speeding and ways to control it. Only the likely hood of being detected has deterrence value.

I have never received a speeding ticket (or red light ticket) issued by a camera. I know where the fixed ones are (and they have signs) and the mobile ones are predictable and visible (and they have signs). They have exactly zero impact on my driving behaviour (other then the couple of hundred metres of road the camera points at).

I have however received a couple of speeding tickets from real live cops. That wasn’t fun – partly due to the fine and points, partly due having to stand by the side of the road with a cop car and not amused policeman¹. In each case I didn’t see the police until they had measured my speed and decided to pursue me. The memory of that does have some impact on my driving.

P2P cameras make me go slow for the length of the measurement zone – more effective then single point cameras, but still somewhat limited unless they whack them on every single light pole. They should allow the mobile cameras to be hidden in wheelibins, random unmarked cars, shrubberies, and the like. After the tickets start turning up in the mail from them, people will certainly change their habits. And the only reason they don’t do this seems to be some issue with it being “fair”, which is a weird concept to apply to enforcing a law supposedly in place for public safety reasons?

1 - Actually, having to go home and tell Mrs P1 was a much less pleasant experience - especially the second time.

HenryBG said :

Jethro said :

54-11 said :

A speed camera would have stopped him on the spot, of course.

A permanent P2P speed camera would have greatly reduced the likelihood of him doing it because he would know he was guaranteed of getting caught and fined.

There is a P2P speed camera on the Monaro at Hume. Doesn’t appear to have stopped him.

Maybe we need P2P speed cameras every 200m along the Monaro?
Or would it be cheaper to build them a speedway?

Um, no there isnt, there is a fixed speed camera either side of the road.They are different to the point to point jobbies. Unless you are talking about the one from Bredbo to Cooma……..

#36
Not unlike attempted culpable driving 🙂

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Martlark said :

NellyBean said :

I’m of the opinion that being stopped by the police in itself has a more profound effect on reducing speeding than receiving a fine a few days after the fact.

Your opinion does not coincide with research on speeding and ways to control it. Only the likely hood of being detected has deterrence value.

can you please link me to the research you speak of?

NellyBean said :

I’m of the opinion that being stopped by the police in itself has a more profound effect on reducing speeding than receiving a fine a few days after the fact.

Your opinion does not coincide with research on speeding and ways to control it. Only the likely hood of being detected has deterrence value.

HenryBG said :

Maybe we need P2P speed cameras every 200m along the Monaro?
Or would it be cheaper to build them a speedway?

I thought the argument the anti-P2P brigade trotted out is that they are nothing more than revenue raisers…. now apparently they are prohibitively expensive.

I’m not against building a speedway either. Although i doubt it’s going to stop the anti-social hoons using our roads to prove their manhood.

Here we have a series of laws put in place to provide theoretical boundaries on a specific environment, we then insert 1 individual who exceed the theoretical boundaries (breaking the laws), the individual is detected, stopped and punished in accordance with the pre-established laws thus experiencing the predetermined penalties of his actions……seems to me like the system has worked perfectly.

Don’t hate the player hate the game!

HenryBG said :

Jethro said :

54-11 said :

A speed camera would have stopped him on the spot, of course.

A permanent P2P speed camera would have greatly reduced the likelihood of him doing it because he would know he was guaranteed of getting caught and fined.

There is a P2P speed camera on the Monaro at Hume. Doesn’t appear to have stopped him.

Maybe we need P2P speed cameras every 200m along the Monaro?
Or would it be cheaper to build them a speedway?

There’s no indication he was ever near Hume, he was stopped at Theodore. also, I’m pretty sure the camera at Hume is on the north bound lane and is a single speed camera, not a P2P gantry.

I’m of the opinion that being stopped by the police in itself has a more profound effect on reducing speeding than receiving a fine a few days after the fact.

shortlived said :

tbh didn’t think you could even get that fast in a 300c. ugly bricks of hick lard.

LOL. A 1986 model sigma station wagon with the carburetted 2.6 litre 4-banger and questionable compresson will do (indicated) 170, loaded with 4 people. It’s not *that* much more aerodynamic than a 300C. Depending on which v8 it is, the chrysler would get well into the 200’s.

Jethro said :

54-11 said :

A speed camera would have stopped him on the spot, of course.

A permanent P2P speed camera would have greatly reduced the likelihood of him doing it because he would know he was guaranteed of getting caught and fined.

There is a P2P speed camera on the Monaro at Hume. Doesn’t appear to have stopped him.

Maybe we need P2P speed cameras every 200m along the Monaro?
Or would it be cheaper to build them a speedway?

KB1971 said :

what_the said :

Ok, despite this statement being a complete overreaction, how does one exactly ‘attempt’ manslaughter?

By speeding no less… ?

It might be a bit too subtle but…

Murder = Taking of another’s life or lives with the clear intention, beyond reasonable doubt, to do so.
Manslaughter = Inadvertently taking of another’s life or lives where the fault can be clearly proved to be on the accused, but at the same time can be shown that there was no intent (e.g. car accident resulting in death).

If you ‘attempt’ to do something you definitely show ‘intent’.

So ‘attempted manslaughter’ is an oxymoron.

Holden Caulfield said :

300C, says it all really. Is there a bigger douchebag car than this? On some fully sick 22″ chromies too by chance?

+1

Holden Caulfield said :

p1 said :

Good thing he was in the ACT. In NSW he would have got the fine, his licence taken on the spot and a Field CAN (Court Attendance Notice – a polite request to front up to the magistrate to explain his actions – at which point he would likely get another fine and a suspension of between 3 months and 2 years).

“When police spoke to the driver, he said it was the first time he had driven a V8 and was testing it out.”

And another fine for taking the piss.

Sounds more like he was telling the truth.

pirate_taco said :

Perhaps if we had a motorsport facility in Canberra this bloke may have had a controlled environment in which to test out the performance capabilities of a V8.
There is a time and place for everything, but we are lacking in legal places for this type of activity.

Glen Takkenberg
Pirate Party ACT for Ginninderra

smont said :

What if every dick decided to go tearing down the Monaro Highway at 170 Kph – are you even remotely implying that that would be fine if the law allowed it?

Of course it would be fine if the law allowed it, you would have developed the skills as a learner and provisional driver to handle those speeds, it would just be the norm.

54-11 said :

A speed camera would have stopped him on the spot, of course.

A permanent P2P speed camera would have greatly reduced the likelihood of him doing it because he would know he was guaranteed of getting caught and fined.

what_the said :

GardeningGirl said :

“When police spoke to the driver, he said it was the first time he had driven a V8 and was testing it out.”
Sounds like a valid reason for attempted manslaughter. Idiot!

Ok, despite this statement being a complete overreaction, how does one exactly ‘attempt’ manslaughter?

By speeding no less… ?

GardeningGirl said :

“When police spoke to the driver, he said it was the first time he had driven a V8 and was testing it out.”
Sounds like a valid reason for attempted manslaughter. Idiot!

Ok, despite this statement being a complete overreaction, how does one exactly ‘attempt’ manslaughter?

Woody Mann-Caruso said :

I am not defending this guy at all

No, just mentioning his actions and the absence of a track in the same breath. Repeatedly. But no link between the two whatsoever. Because it might have prevente…I mean, something about road safety, and tourism…no, wait…

Stick to lobbying for reform to intellectual property laws. When you pretend you have well-informed views about a wide range of public policy issues – or worse, try to hitch your little boat to some oxygen thief who flouts civil society for a political tow – you just look less like a pirate and more like a clown.

Jeez, Woody, you had a bad day or something? It was a pretty civilised discussion until you joined in.

p1 said :

Good thing he was in the ACT. In NSW he would have got the fine, his licence taken on the spot and a Field CAN (Court Attendance Notice

Better to get a TIN, than a CAN.

And what WMC said… every word.

Woody Mann-Caruso said :

I am not defending this guy at all

No, just mentioning his actions and the absence of a track in the same breath. Repeatedly. But no link between the two whatsoever. ….

He didn’t say “no link”.
Obviously.
Because he is linking them.
He said he isn’t defending him.

Did you get your “degree” from Canberra Uni or something?

HGp said :

rhino said :

HenryBG said :

pirate_taco said :

Perhaps if we had a motorsport facility in Canberra this bloke may have had a controlled environment in which to test out the performance capabilities of a V8.
There is a time and place for everything, but we are lacking in legal places for this type of activity.

Glen Takkenberg
Pirate Party ACT for Ginninderra

Agreed.

Agreed also.

Plus what’s the difference between this and doing it legally on the authobahn? Mostly just the numbers painted on the sign, the road isn’t THAT dramatically different.

Not too many roundabouts on the autobahn.

Perhaps he was planning on slowing down for the roundabouts?

I see these guys around Hume all the time, they just love drifting around the corners and seeing as they are dumb bogans in cheap and nasty cars and have no idea what they are doing, they often lose it and end up spinning across the road. Driving around Hume can be a little nerve-wracking at times as a result.

The obvious solution is to build them some roads somewhere where the public doesn’t drive and where they can go for broke without endangering the rest of us.

rhino said :

Plus what’s the difference between this and doing it legally on the authobahn? Mostly just the numbers painted on the sign, the road isn’t THAT dramatically different.

Here we go with the old “it’s not that dangerous, it’s just that the speed limits are too low” argument. “Must be the fault of the bureaucrats; poor driver was just doing what comes naturally; not his fault”.

Give it a rest. We live in a civilised society; part of the deal is playing by the rules. What if every dick decided to go tearing down the Monaro Highway at 170 Kph – are you even remotely implying that that would be fine if the law allowed it?

WOAH WOAH woah. This guy was driving at 170 kilometres per hour yet he had sufficient awareness to see that the police were flagging him down, and he then had sufficient control of the vehicle that he was able to safely stop it without causing injury to himself or others? woah.

tbh didn’t think you could even get that fast in a 300c. ugly bricks of hick lard.

I am not defending this guy at all

No, just mentioning his actions and the absence of a track in the same breath. Repeatedly. But no link between the two whatsoever. Because it might have prevente…I mean, something about road safety, and tourism…no, wait…

Stick to lobbying for reform to intellectual property laws. When you pretend you have well-informed views about a wide range of public policy issues – or worse, try to hitch your little boat to some oxygen thief who flouts civil society for a political tow – you just look less like a pirate and more like a clown.

rhino said :

HenryBG said :

pirate_taco said :

Perhaps if we had a motorsport facility in Canberra this bloke may have had a controlled environment in which to test out the performance capabilities of a V8.
There is a time and place for everything, but we are lacking in legal places for this type of activity.

Glen Takkenberg
Pirate Party ACT for Ginninderra

Agreed.

Agreed also.

Plus what’s the difference between this and doing it legally on the authobahn? Mostly just the numbers painted on the sign, the road isn’t THAT dramatically different.

Not too many roundabouts on the autobahn.

pirate_taco said :

Perhaps if we had a motorsport facility in Canberra this bloke may have had a controlled environment in which to test out the performance capabilities of a V8.
There is a time and place for everything, but we are lacking in legal places for this type of activity.

Glen Takkenberg
Pirate Party ACT for Ginninderra

….or how about just don’t be a tool ? Just because some idiots get their jollies by driving dangerously and breaking the law doesn’t mean the rest of the community should accommodate them.

Holden Caulfield said :

pirate_taco said :

Perhaps if we had a motorsport facility in Canberra this bloke may have had a controlled environment in which to test out the performance capabilities of a V8.
There is a time and place for everything, but we are lacking in legal places for this type of activity.

Glen Takkenberg
Pirate Party ACT for Ginninderra

Were such a facility available closer than the one that is a mere 60 minutes down the road, do you really think this guy has illustrated the judgement required to save it for the track?

While I generally support the creation of a decent track closer to Canberra than Wakefield, your use of that argument in defence of this guy displays judgement equally as poor for a wannabe politician as driving at 90km/h over the speed limit.

300C, says it all really. Is there a bigger douchebag car than this? On some fully sick 22″ chromies too by chance?

I am not defending this guy at all, just pointing out the lack of a local facility to drive a V8 or other vehicle of choice at 170km/hr+ legally.
There are other benefits that such a facility could bring, such as teaching exactly why doing those speeds on a public road is a bad idea.

Glen Takkenberg
Pirate Party ACT for Ginninderra

pirate_taco said :

Perhaps if we had a motorsport facility in Canberra this bloke may have had a controlled environment in which to test out the performance capabilities of a V8.
There is a time and place for everything, but we are lacking in legal places for this type of activity.

Glen Takkenberg
Pirate Party ACT for Ginninderra

Were such a facility available closer than the one that is a mere 60 minutes down the road, do you really think this guy has illustrated the judgement required to save it for the track?

While I generally support the creation of a decent track closer to Canberra than Wakefield, your use of that argument in defence of this guy displays judgement equally as poor for a wannabe politician as driving at 90km/h over the speed limit.

300C, says it all really. Is there a bigger douchebag car than this? On some fully sick 22″ chromies too by chance?

HenryBG said :

pirate_taco said :

Perhaps if we had a motorsport facility in Canberra this bloke may have had a controlled environment in which to test out the performance capabilities of a V8.
There is a time and place for everything, but we are lacking in legal places for this type of activity.

Glen Takkenberg
Pirate Party ACT for Ginninderra

Agreed.

Unfortunately I don’t think having a motor sports facility will help and be the magic fix in these cases. They exist in most other cities, but you still see these idiots in the news every week. But then, if they make the penalties high enough, they could probably used fund the construction of such a facility.

borizuka said :

Glen. I do agree with you but something like a drag strip will not necessaraly fix all the problems. Wakefield Park is a bit far and the SDMA complex has too many hoops and not enough track or speed in my opinion.

I think this type of problem will be everywhere even with easy access to facilities. Sorry to say but it’s all about driver education and influences from friends and family members.

If we had atleast a drag strip back some of these hoons can rock up and get their adrenaline fix, so it may be a start. Wakefield Park. Speed of the Street days are only $150. OR CircuitClub events are $230ish.

But I think in this case 90km/hr over should result in loss of licence.

I wasn’t necessarily talking a drag strip, and I don’t suggest that it would put and end to speeding either, but it would be a start.
Plus it’d be fun without having to drive to Goulburn or further, and it may even bring some people to Canberra.
I’d also like to see a hypothetical motorsports facility used for driver training too.

Glen Takkenberg
Pirate Party ACT for Ginninderra
These are my own opinions and are not party policy.

HenryBG said :

pirate_taco said :

Perhaps if we had a motorsport facility in Canberra this bloke may have had a controlled environment in which to test out the performance capabilities of a V8.
There is a time and place for everything, but we are lacking in legal places for this type of activity.

Glen Takkenberg
Pirate Party ACT for Ginninderra

Agreed.

Agreed also.

Plus what’s the difference between this and doing it legally on the authobahn? Mostly just the numbers painted on the sign, the road isn’t THAT dramatically different.

A speed camera would have stopped him on the spot, of course.

p1 said :

Good thing he was in the ACT. In NSW he would have got the fine, his licence taken on the spot and a Field CAN (Court Attendance Notice – a polite request to front up to the magistrate to explain his actions – at which point he would likely get another fine and a suspension of between 3 months and 2 years).

I always thought that was the case in the ACT (>45km/h = Dangerous Driving charge).

Obviously not!

borizuka said :

Glen. I do agree with you but something like a drag strip will not necessaraly fix all the problems. Wakefield Park is a bit far and the SDMA complex has too many hoops and not enough track or speed in my opinion.

I think this type of problem will be everywhere even with easy access to facilities. Sorry to say but it’s all about driver education and influences from friends and family members.

If we had atleast a drag strip back some of these hoons can rock up and get their adrenaline fix, so it may be a start. Wakefield Park. Speed of the Street days are only $150. OR CircuitClub events are $230ish.

But I think in this case 90km/hr over should result in loss of licence.

+1
I agree with everything here borizuka!

GardeningGirl said :

“When police spoke to the driver, he said it was the first time he had driven a V8 and was testing it out.”
Sounds like a valid reason for attempted manslaughter. Idiot!

Attempted manslaughter?

…

Um….

pirate_taco said :

Perhaps if we had a motorsport facility in Canberra this bloke may have had a controlled environment in which to test out the performance capabilities of a V8.
There is a time and place for everything, but we are lacking in legal places for this type of activity.

Glen Takkenberg
Pirate Party ACT for Ginninderra

Agreed.

….ahhh god on him.

thanks for your $1811 contribution to ACT revenue.

Glen. I do agree with you but something like a drag strip will not necessaraly fix all the problems. Wakefield Park is a bit far and the SDMA complex has too many hoops and not enough track or speed in my opinion.

I think this type of problem will be everywhere even with easy access to facilities. Sorry to say but it’s all about driver education and influences from friends and family members.

If we had atleast a drag strip back some of these hoons can rock up and get their adrenaline fix, so it may be a start. Wakefield Park. Speed of the Street days are only $150. OR CircuitClub events are $230ish.

But I think in this case 90km/hr over should result in loss of licence.

Just remember, as the CTP insurance is not risk-based – the same for everyone, low-risk safe driver or death-waiting-happen driver, we are subsidising him being on the road and a danger to us all. Think about that next time a hoon flies past you weaving in and out like an idiot.

Unbelievable that he can keep his licence. A few years back there was a German guy doing about 180km/h in a 50km/h zone in the Netherlands on a motor bike. When he was caught, the police took his license, confiscated the bike, auctioned it off and then donated the money to charity.

I still don’t see how these fools get to keep their licence, when in pretty much every other state it would be gone on the spot.

Perhaps if we had a motorsport facility in Canberra this bloke may have had a controlled environment in which to test out the performance capabilities of a V8.
There is a time and place for everything, but we are lacking in legal places for this type of activity.

Glen Takkenberg
Pirate Party ACT for Ginninderra

“When police spoke to the driver, he said it was the first time he had driven a V8 and was testing it out.”
Sounds like a valid reason for attempted manslaughter. Idiot!

p1 said :

Good thing he was in the ACT. In NSW he would have got the fine, his licence taken on the spot and a Field CAN (Court Attendance Notice – a polite request to front up to the magistrate to explain his actions – at which point he would likely get another fine and a suspension of between 3 months and 2 years).

“When police spoke to the driver, he said it was the first time he had driven a V8 and was testing it out.”

And another fine for taking the piss.

Good thing he was in the ACT. In NSW he would have got the fine, his licence taken on the spot and a Field CAN (Court Attendance Notice – a polite request to front up to the magistrate to explain his actions – at which point he would likely get another fine and a suspension of between 3 months and 2 years).