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Gough Whitlam

By Steven Bailey 21 October 2014 47

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Edward Gough Whitlam was the 21st Prime Minister of Australia from 1972 to 1975, and a genius of humanity. I think that perhaps the only person worthy of delivering Gough’s eulogy would be Gough himself, such was his colossal self-belief… and thank god for that self-belief.

His words will be remembered for their soaring eloquence, their fierce fight, and earthly consequence.

Many would consider that Gough was ahead of his time, but the fact is that he walked in perfect step and unison with the aspirations of a people, where perhaps so many other politicians were kept a step behind only because of a lack of imagination and bravery. Gough bravely imagined an Australia, and Australia bravely imagined with him.

His hard-fought reforms included the advance of Aboriginal land rights, the advance of universal health care, the advance of diplomatic relations with China, the advance of universal access to university, the advance of the end of conscription and withdrawal of forces from Vietnam; the advance of Australia fair.

Whitlam fought to remove injustices and discrimination against Australian women.  He fought for fair pay and conditions for women and undoubtedly improved the basis of equality upon which women could participate in society. Gough’s commitment to the women of our nation was perhaps not only guided by his sense of social justice but also by his heart. This commitment to Australian women was perhaps best embodied by his relationship with his wife Margaret Elaine Whitlam – a great political union and Australian love story. I think Malcolm Turnbull’s sentiments put it perfectly that if indeed Gough is in heaven, he is certainly there with Margret.

After the dismissal of his government in 1975 Whitlam was the Leader of the Opposition for two years, and he remained in parliament until 1978 – a rare act of public service from a former Prime Minister. He was not a man who allowed himself to be consumed by hatred, as many politicians can be, for he was the personification of optimism and hope.

Many people muse that Australia should only become a Republic with the passing of Queen Elizabeth II, but as it was Gough’s dream for Australia to stand on her own two feet in the world, perhaps, once again, it is time.

I too have ridiculous self-belief, but I do know this: I am not worthy of writing about this great man. So perhaps I’ll speak to you, Gough. Gough, I hope my generation understands what you have done for our country. I don’t know whether you made the times or the times made you, probably both, but it certainly was time, and it still is time.


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Steven Bailey 8:49 pm 28 Oct 14

Masquara said :

Steven Bailey said :

No Masquara, you are claiming that I am claiming that John misquoted me. It would be silly of me to make such a claim as it was City News that published exactly what we sent them.

Exactly. City News published your then position – “Affordable public transport for the ACT including light rail” which you have attempted to reverse out of, having seen that Canberrans are not in favour of light rail. That hardly indicates a commitment to your policy – it actually indicates that you are either disorganised, or you vacillate. A la PUP, though, what’s to stop you taking one of your vacillating positions to the next election, then failing on carry-through? Howzabout a clear, stated policy, Steven, ahead of any preference deals? Will the Sex Party continue to support charging all Canberrans a bazillion on light rail for a corridor of the inner north already well serviced by buses? Or will you not support said light rail? Couldn’t be clearer; your response could hardly be more obfuscatory! If you think PUP tactics will work in the ACT, think again.

Masquara, up until now I was convinced that the brain dead could not hyperventilate. I will continue to communicate with you in English regardless of your maniacal mistranslations.

Let me give you an example that might help: it is possible to enjoy reading books, this does not mean that one would necessarily enjoy reading all books. Another: it is possible to enjoy responding to comments on blogs, this does not mean that I enjoy responding to all commenters, excluding you of course.

I would like to see light rail in Canberra, this does not mean that I would like to see light rail at any cost. Do you understand this position?

Canberra is having an important debate at the moment; I am respecting that debate by listening to it. This position, two years before an election, is a reasonable one.

Of course, reason is only reasonable to the reasonable, so breath deep into that paper bag beside your computer as you consider your next literary hemorrhage.

I wait with bated breath.

Masquara 5:09 pm 28 Oct 14

Steven Bailey said :

No Masquara, you are claiming that I am claiming that John misquoted me. It would be silly of me to make such a claim as it was City News that published exactly what we sent them.

Exactly. City News published your then position – “Affordable public transport for the ACT including light rail” which you have attempted to reverse out of, having seen that Canberrans are not in favour of light rail. That hardly indicates a commitment to your policy – it actually indicates that you are either disorganised, or you vacillate. A la PUP, though, what’s to stop you taking one of your vacillating positions to the next election, then failing on carry-through? Howzabout a clear, stated policy, Steven, ahead of any preference deals? Will the Sex Party continue to support charging all Canberrans a bazillion on light rail for a corridor of the inner north already well serviced by buses? Or will you not support said light rail? Couldn’t be clearer; your response could hardly be more obfuscatory! If you think PUP tactics will work in the ACT, think again.

dungfungus 10:36 am 28 Oct 14

Steven Bailey said :

Masquara said :

Steven Bailey said :

Masquara said :

Steven Bailey said :

I’m not sure how you came to that conclusion Masquara, and, quite frankly, you couldn’t be sure how you came to that conclusion either. My instinct is that our party, and many Canberrans alike, would like to see the project carried out at a reduced cost. We won’t have a formal position on light rail until we have considered all of the facts (which are not currently available), and consulted with our members and the community. We’re not going to play into the hands of other parties; that is the responsible thing for us to do.

Please feel free to contact me if you’d like any accurate information to help you in your noble pursuit of informing the public.

Oh, so City News misreported you? Unlikely, given that they have quite a professional stable of journalists these days … here you go! Check out your own policies.

http://citynews.com.au/2014/sex-party-rides-2016-act-election/

We support affordable public transport for the ACT. Rather than playing a ‘yes/no’ game, we will put forth a considered response based on our own judgements. Many people would like to see light rail in Canberra but people are concerned that the current proposal is too expensive. It’s really that simple Masquara but please, ‘maintain your enthusiasm’.

So you’re claiming John Griffiths misquoted you. Righty-ho.

No Masquara, you are claiming that I am claiming that John misquoted me. It would be silly of me to make such a claim as it was City News that published exactly what we sent them. Just have a look at my previous comment – it is written in English. It makes sense. It should assuage your confusion. If it doesn’t there is little else I can do for you.

Gough Whitlam was always complaining that he was misquoted.

Steven Bailey 12:36 am 28 Oct 14

Masquara said :

Steven Bailey said :

Masquara said :

Steven Bailey said :

I’m not sure how you came to that conclusion Masquara, and, quite frankly, you couldn’t be sure how you came to that conclusion either. My instinct is that our party, and many Canberrans alike, would like to see the project carried out at a reduced cost. We won’t have a formal position on light rail until we have considered all of the facts (which are not currently available), and consulted with our members and the community. We’re not going to play into the hands of other parties; that is the responsible thing for us to do.

Please feel free to contact me if you’d like any accurate information to help you in your noble pursuit of informing the public.

Oh, so City News misreported you? Unlikely, given that they have quite a professional stable of journalists these days … here you go! Check out your own policies.

http://citynews.com.au/2014/sex-party-rides-2016-act-election/

We support affordable public transport for the ACT. Rather than playing a ‘yes/no’ game, we will put forth a considered response based on our own judgements. Many people would like to see light rail in Canberra but people are concerned that the current proposal is too expensive. It’s really that simple Masquara but please, ‘maintain your enthusiasm’.

So you’re claiming John Griffiths misquoted you. Righty-ho.

No Masquara, you are claiming that I am claiming that John misquoted me. It would be silly of me to make such a claim as it was City News that published exactly what we sent them. Just have a look at my previous comment – it is written in English. It makes sense. It should assuage your confusion. If it doesn’t there is little else I can do for you.

Masquara 8:49 pm 27 Oct 14

Steven Bailey said :

Masquara said :

Steven Bailey said :

I’m not sure how you came to that conclusion Masquara, and, quite frankly, you couldn’t be sure how you came to that conclusion either. My instinct is that our party, and many Canberrans alike, would like to see the project carried out at a reduced cost. We won’t have a formal position on light rail until we have considered all of the facts (which are not currently available), and consulted with our members and the community. We’re not going to play into the hands of other parties; that is the responsible thing for us to do.

Please feel free to contact me if you’d like any accurate information to help you in your noble pursuit of informing the public.

Oh, so City News misreported you? Unlikely, given that they have quite a professional stable of journalists these days … here you go! Check out your own policies.

http://citynews.com.au/2014/sex-party-rides-2016-act-election/

We support affordable public transport for the ACT. Rather than playing a ‘yes/no’ game, we will put forth a considered response based on our own judgements. Many people would like to see light rail in Canberra but people are concerned that the current proposal is too expensive. It’s really that simple Masquara but please, ‘maintain your enthusiasm’.

So you’re claiming John Griffiths misquoted you. Righty-ho.

Steven Bailey 8:43 pm 27 Oct 14

Mysteryman said :

Steven Bailey said :

dungfungus said :

Steven Bailey said :

dungfungus said :

miz said :

I quietly thank Gough almost every day. Medicare is the biggie, but I am also so grateful I was able to get divorced without fuss (no fault) and without my children having to go into orphanages; and for the fact that I actually receive the same pay as the man who does the same job as me, just to mention couple. There are so many things we assume to be ‘normal’ these days which did not exist then.

Medicare needs an overhaul. It is ironic that the only people who get totally free health care via Medicare are the ones that contribute nothing to it. These are the people that are screaming because the rest of Australia wants them to contribute a tiny co-payment every time they use bulk billing services. The rest of us have to pay a co-payment of about $40 each time we see a GP plus the levy on our income. This is not sustainable.

You’re right again Dungfungus. A fair society is unsustainable when the powers of greed are so strong.

Another meaningless comment.

If you find something meaningless, rather than concluding that it is meaningless it would always be safer for you to assume that you are just too stupid to understand it.

Dungfungus is right: your posts have been completely meaningless.

Yet I’m glad to know that you’ve been reading them.

Mysteryman 12:57 pm 27 Oct 14

Steven Bailey said :

dungfungus said :

Steven Bailey said :

dungfungus said :

miz said :

I quietly thank Gough almost every day. Medicare is the biggie, but I am also so grateful I was able to get divorced without fuss (no fault) and without my children having to go into orphanages; and for the fact that I actually receive the same pay as the man who does the same job as me, just to mention couple. There are so many things we assume to be ‘normal’ these days which did not exist then.

Medicare needs an overhaul. It is ironic that the only people who get totally free health care via Medicare are the ones that contribute nothing to it. These are the people that are screaming because the rest of Australia wants them to contribute a tiny co-payment every time they use bulk billing services. The rest of us have to pay a co-payment of about $40 each time we see a GP plus the levy on our income. This is not sustainable.

You’re right again Dungfungus. A fair society is unsustainable when the powers of greed are so strong.

Another meaningless comment.

If you find something meaningless, rather than concluding that it is meaningless it would always be safer for you to assume that you are just too stupid to understand it.

Dungfungus is right: your posts have been completely meaningless.

Pragmatix 10:07 am 27 Oct 14

milkman said :

Pragmatix said :

milkman said :

Steven Bailey said :

milkman said :

Steven Bailey said :

dungfungus said :

Steven Bailey said :

dungfungus said :

miz said :

I quietly thank Gough almost every day. Medicare is the biggie, but I am also so grateful I was able to get divorced without fuss (no fault) and without my children having to go into orphanages; and for the fact that I actually receive the same pay as the man who does the same job as me, just to mention couple. There are so many things we assume to be ‘normal’ these days which did not exist then.

Medicare needs an overhaul. It is ironic that the only people who get totally free health care via Medicare are the ones that contribute nothing to it. These are the people that are screaming because the rest of Australia wants them to contribute a tiny co-payment every time they use bulk billing services. The rest of us have to pay a co-payment of about $40 each time we see a GP plus the levy on our income. This is not sustainable.

You’re right again Dungfungus. A fair society is unsustainable when the powers of greed are so strong.

Another meaningless comment.

If you find something meaningless, rather than concluding that it is meaningless it would always be safer for you to assume that you are just too stupid to understand it.

Interesting approach for someone who wants to get themself elected.

Yes I suppose it is. I’d rather speak my mind and never be elected than hold my tongue to be elected.

I find it interesting how lots of people don’t seem to be able to separate the concepts of ‘my opinion’ versus ‘best for my electorate’. Food for thought.

How does that relate to the discussion? Steven is just saying that he calls a spade a spade, that doesn’t conflict with the idea of acting in the best interests of an electorate. Surely being honest is always in the best interests of an electorate.

The job of an elected official is to represent the views and desires of the electorate, not to pontificate based on their own strange views. Calling a spade a spade is fine, but if that’s the case then I don’t think I’d want to vote for someone who is on record here as fighting in a pub when drunk, taking illegal drugs or driving drunk. Honesty is great, but clear and relevant policy positions are better, and frankly I haven’t seen much of either from Steven. At he’s trying, though, unlike many other pollies.

I must say I support Steven Bailey. I followed his election campaign last year and I’ve read most of the articles he’s written since and listen to him on radio. He speaks well on a number of issues. I can’t see any inconsistency in his stances and his political views are not strange at all. I’m not sure what you are alluding to there?

Would you prefer to vote for someone who lies about their past? Steven has admitted to things similar to many pollies like Mark Latham or Bob Hawk. Sure, he had a fight in a pub but that was because a female was being assulted. As for anything else, he’s just like most other people. The only difference is, he tells the truth before he goes to the polls, not after.

dungfungus 9:48 am 27 Oct 14

Steven Bailey said :

dungfungus said :

Steven Bailey said :

dungfungus said :

Steven Bailey said :

milkman said :

Steven Bailey said :

dungfungus said :

Steven Bailey said :

dungfungus said :

miz said :

I quietly thank Gough almost every day. Medicare is the biggie, but I am also so grateful I was able to get divorced without fuss (no fault) and without my children having to go into orphanages; and for the fact that I actually receive the same pay as the man who does the same job as me, just to mention couple. There are so many things we assume to be ‘normal’ these days which did not exist then.

Medicare needs an overhaul. It is ironic that the only people who get totally free health care via Medicare are the ones that contribute nothing to it. These are the people that are screaming because the rest of Australia wants them to contribute a tiny co-payment every time they use bulk billing services. The rest of us have to pay a co-payment of about $40 each time we see a GP plus the levy on our income. This is not sustainable.

You’re right again Dungfungus. A fair society is unsustainable when the powers of greed are so strong.

Another meaningless comment.

If you find something meaningless, rather than concluding that it is meaningless it would always be safer for you to assume that you are just too stupid to understand it.

Interesting approach for someone who wants to get themself elected.

Yes I suppose it is. I’d rather speak my mind and never be elected than hold my tongue to be elected.

You have just guaranteed that no political party will be seeking your preferences.

Okay my friend, let’s put a wager on it. I’ll donate $500 to a charity of your choice if indeed ‘no political party’ seeks my preferences. If you loose, you will donate $250 to a charity of my choice. You can donate to the cancer council now if you like. Other than that, you’ll have a little under two years to save.

I abhor gambling in any form; and I am not your friend (you recently called me stupid, remember?)

I don’t think that you are stupid. I just think that in some circumstances it would be the safest assumption. This piece is a tribute written on the day a great Australian died. In my opinion, it didn’t require your ideological diatribes. Please don’t take my rebukes too much to heart, yet don’t expect that my rebukes will not be forthcoming in such circumstances.

As far as the wager goes: if you’re so certain in your political judgement it’s hardly a gamble at all, is it? I’m happy to put my money where my mouth is. It’s okay if you don’t want to do the same, but that would be a result of you being incorrect rather than an aversion to gambling.

I’m sure we can learn to be friends. Though the only basis upon which that could happen would be if we established a mutual understanding that for any comment you had contrary to my own, I would have a rebuke infinitely better.

Judging from your last paragraph, Whitlam certainly had a big influence on you.

Steven Bailey 9:06 am 27 Oct 14

Masquara said :

Steven Bailey said :

I’m not sure how you came to that conclusion Masquara, and, quite frankly, you couldn’t be sure how you came to that conclusion either. My instinct is that our party, and many Canberrans alike, would like to see the project carried out at a reduced cost. We won’t have a formal position on light rail until we have considered all of the facts (which are not currently available), and consulted with our members and the community. We’re not going to play into the hands of other parties; that is the responsible thing for us to do.

Please feel free to contact me if you’d like any accurate information to help you in your noble pursuit of informing the public.

Oh, so City News misreported you? Unlikely, given that they have quite a professional stable of journalists these days … here you go! Check out your own policies.

http://citynews.com.au/2014/sex-party-rides-2016-act-election/

We support affordable public transport for the ACT. Rather than playing a ‘yes/no’ game, we will put forth a considered response based on our own judgements. Many people would like to see light rail in Canberra but people are concerned that the current proposal is too expensive. It’s really that simple Masquara but please, ‘maintain your enthusiasm’.

Steven Bailey 10:47 pm 26 Oct 14

dungfungus said :

Steven Bailey said :

dungfungus said :

Steven Bailey said :

milkman said :

Steven Bailey said :

dungfungus said :

Steven Bailey said :

dungfungus said :

miz said :

I quietly thank Gough almost every day. Medicare is the biggie, but I am also so grateful I was able to get divorced without fuss (no fault) and without my children having to go into orphanages; and for the fact that I actually receive the same pay as the man who does the same job as me, just to mention couple. There are so many things we assume to be ‘normal’ these days which did not exist then.

Medicare needs an overhaul. It is ironic that the only people who get totally free health care via Medicare are the ones that contribute nothing to it. These are the people that are screaming because the rest of Australia wants them to contribute a tiny co-payment every time they use bulk billing services. The rest of us have to pay a co-payment of about $40 each time we see a GP plus the levy on our income. This is not sustainable.

You’re right again Dungfungus. A fair society is unsustainable when the powers of greed are so strong.

Another meaningless comment.

If you find something meaningless, rather than concluding that it is meaningless it would always be safer for you to assume that you are just too stupid to understand it.

Interesting approach for someone who wants to get themself elected.

Yes I suppose it is. I’d rather speak my mind and never be elected than hold my tongue to be elected.

You have just guaranteed that no political party will be seeking your preferences.

Okay my friend, let’s put a wager on it. I’ll donate $500 to a charity of your choice if indeed ‘no political party’ seeks my preferences. If you loose, you will donate $250 to a charity of my choice. You can donate to the cancer council now if you like. Other than that, you’ll have a little under two years to save.

I abhor gambling in any form; and I am not your friend (you recently called me stupid, remember?)

I don’t think that you are stupid. I just think that in some circumstances it would be the safest assumption. This piece is a tribute written on the day a great Australian died. In my opinion, it didn’t require your ideological diatribes. Please don’t take my rebukes too much to heart, yet don’t expect that my rebukes will not be forthcoming in such circumstances.

As far as the wager goes: if you’re so certain in your political judgement it’s hardly a gamble at all, is it? I’m happy to put my money where my mouth is. It’s okay if you don’t want to do the same, but that would be a result of you being incorrect rather than an aversion to gambling.

I’m sure we can learn to be friends. Though the only basis upon which that could happen would be if we established a mutual understanding that for any comment you had contrary to my own, I would have a rebuke infinitely better.

Masquara 10:24 pm 26 Oct 14

Any comment on Whitlam’s support for the 1975 invasion of East Timor?

Masquara 10:03 pm 26 Oct 14

Steven Bailey said :

I’m not sure how you came to that conclusion Masquara, and, quite frankly, you couldn’t be sure how you came to that conclusion either. My instinct is that our party, and many Canberrans alike, would like to see the project carried out at a reduced cost. We won’t have a formal position on light rail until we have considered all of the facts (which are not currently available), and consulted with our members and the community. We’re not going to play into the hands of other parties; that is the responsible thing for us to do.

Please feel free to contact me if you’d like any accurate information to help you in your noble pursuit of informing the public.

Oh, so City News misreported you? Unlikely, given that they have quite a professional stable of journalists these days … here you go! Check out your own policies.

http://citynews.com.au/2014/sex-party-rides-2016-act-election/

Steven Bailey 9:45 pm 26 Oct 14

Masquara said :

Canberrans will no doubt note that a vote for the Sex Party is a vote for light rail, and direct their preferences accordingly …

I’m not sure how you came to that conclusion Masquara, and, quite frankly, you couldn’t be sure how you came to that conclusion either. My instinct is that our party, and many Canberrans alike, would like to see the project carried out at a reduced cost. We won’t have a formal position on light rail until we have considered all of the facts (which are not currently available), and consulted with our members and the community. We’re not going to play into the hands of other parties; that is the responsible thing for us to do.

Please feel free to contact me if you’d like any accurate information to help you in your noble pursuit of informing the public.

milkman 9:02 pm 26 Oct 14

Pragmatix said :

milkman said :

Steven Bailey said :

milkman said :

Steven Bailey said :

dungfungus said :

Steven Bailey said :

dungfungus said :

miz said :

I quietly thank Gough almost every day. Medicare is the biggie, but I am also so grateful I was able to get divorced without fuss (no fault) and without my children having to go into orphanages; and for the fact that I actually receive the same pay as the man who does the same job as me, just to mention couple. There are so many things we assume to be ‘normal’ these days which did not exist then.

Medicare needs an overhaul. It is ironic that the only people who get totally free health care via Medicare are the ones that contribute nothing to it. These are the people that are screaming because the rest of Australia wants them to contribute a tiny co-payment every time they use bulk billing services. The rest of us have to pay a co-payment of about $40 each time we see a GP plus the levy on our income. This is not sustainable.

You’re right again Dungfungus. A fair society is unsustainable when the powers of greed are so strong.

Another meaningless comment.

If you find something meaningless, rather than concluding that it is meaningless it would always be safer for you to assume that you are just too stupid to understand it.

Interesting approach for someone who wants to get themself elected.

Yes I suppose it is. I’d rather speak my mind and never be elected than hold my tongue to be elected.

I find it interesting how lots of people don’t seem to be able to separate the concepts of ‘my opinion’ versus ‘best for my electorate’. Food for thought.

How does that relate to the discussion? Steven is just saying that he calls a spade a spade, that doesn’t conflict with the idea of acting in the best interests of an electorate. Surely being honest is always in the best interests of an electorate.

The job of an elected official is to represent the views and desires of the electorate, not to pontificate based on their own strange views. Calling a spade a spade is fine, but if that’s the case then I don’t think I’d want to vote for someone who is on record here as fighting in a pub when drunk, taking illegal drugs or driving drunk. Honesty is great, but clear and relevant policy positions are better, and frankly I haven’t seen much of either from Steven. At he’s trying, though, unlike many other pollies.

Masquara 6:40 pm 26 Oct 14

Steven Bailey said :

dungfungus said :

Steven Bailey said :

milkman said :

Steven Bailey said :

dungfungus said :

Steven Bailey said :

dungfungus said :

miz said :

I quietly thank Gough almost every day. Medicare is the biggie, but I am also so grateful I was able to get divorced without fuss (no fault) and without my children having to go into orphanages; and for the fact that I actually receive the same pay as the man who does the same job as me, just to mention couple. There are so many things we assume to be ‘normal’ these days which did not exist then.

Medicare needs an overhaul. It is ironic that the only people who get totally free health care via Medicare are the ones that contribute nothing to it. These are the people that are screaming because the rest of Australia wants them to contribute a tiny co-payment every time they use bulk billing services. The rest of us have to pay a co-payment of about $40 each time we see a GP plus the levy on our income. This is not sustainable.

You’re right again Dungfungus. A fair society is unsustainable when the powers of greed are so strong.

Another meaningless comment.

If you find something meaningless, rather than concluding that it is meaningless it would always be safer for you to assume that you are just too stupid to understand it.

Interesting approach for someone who wants to get themself elected.

Yes I suppose it is. I’d rather speak my mind and never be elected than hold my tongue to be elected.

You have just guaranteed that no political party will be seeking your preferences.

Okay my friend, let’s put a wager on it. I’ll donate $500 to a charity of your choice if indeed ‘no political party’ seeks my preferences. If you loose, you will donate $250 to a charity of my choice. You can donate to the cancer council now if you like. Other than that, you’ll have a little under two years to save.

Canberrans will no doubt note that a vote for the Sex Party is a vote for light rail, and direct their preferences accordingly …

dungfungus 6:21 pm 26 Oct 14

Steven Bailey said :

dungfungus said :

Steven Bailey said :

milkman said :

Steven Bailey said :

dungfungus said :

Steven Bailey said :

dungfungus said :

miz said :

I quietly thank Gough almost every day. Medicare is the biggie, but I am also so grateful I was able to get divorced without fuss (no fault) and without my children having to go into orphanages; and for the fact that I actually receive the same pay as the man who does the same job as me, just to mention couple. There are so many things we assume to be ‘normal’ these days which did not exist then.

Medicare needs an overhaul. It is ironic that the only people who get totally free health care via Medicare are the ones that contribute nothing to it. These are the people that are screaming because the rest of Australia wants them to contribute a tiny co-payment every time they use bulk billing services. The rest of us have to pay a co-payment of about $40 each time we see a GP plus the levy on our income. This is not sustainable.

You’re right again Dungfungus. A fair society is unsustainable when the powers of greed are so strong.

Another meaningless comment.

If you find something meaningless, rather than concluding that it is meaningless it would always be safer for you to assume that you are just too stupid to understand it.

Interesting approach for someone who wants to get themself elected.

Yes I suppose it is. I’d rather speak my mind and never be elected than hold my tongue to be elected.

You have just guaranteed that no political party will be seeking your preferences.

Okay my friend, let’s put a wager on it. I’ll donate $500 to a charity of your choice if indeed ‘no political party’ seeks my preferences. If you loose, you will donate $250 to a charity of my choice. You can donate to the cancer council now if you like. Other than that, you’ll have a little under two years to save.

I abhor gambling in any form; and I am not your friend (you recently called me stupid, remember?)

Steven Bailey 5:24 pm 26 Oct 14

dungfungus said :

Steven Bailey said :

milkman said :

Steven Bailey said :

dungfungus said :

Steven Bailey said :

dungfungus said :

miz said :

I quietly thank Gough almost every day. Medicare is the biggie, but I am also so grateful I was able to get divorced without fuss (no fault) and without my children having to go into orphanages; and for the fact that I actually receive the same pay as the man who does the same job as me, just to mention couple. There are so many things we assume to be ‘normal’ these days which did not exist then.

Medicare needs an overhaul. It is ironic that the only people who get totally free health care via Medicare are the ones that contribute nothing to it. These are the people that are screaming because the rest of Australia wants them to contribute a tiny co-payment every time they use bulk billing services. The rest of us have to pay a co-payment of about $40 each time we see a GP plus the levy on our income. This is not sustainable.

You’re right again Dungfungus. A fair society is unsustainable when the powers of greed are so strong.

Another meaningless comment.

If you find something meaningless, rather than concluding that it is meaningless it would always be safer for you to assume that you are just too stupid to understand it.

Interesting approach for someone who wants to get themself elected.

Yes I suppose it is. I’d rather speak my mind and never be elected than hold my tongue to be elected.

You have just guaranteed that no political party will be seeking your preferences.

Okay my friend, let’s put a wager on it. I’ll donate $500 to a charity of your choice if indeed ‘no political party’ seeks my preferences. If you loose, you will donate $250 to a charity of my choice. You can donate to the cancer council now if you like. Other than that, you’ll have a little under two years to save.

miz 9:44 pm 25 Oct 14

Personally I value politicians who are ‘real’ and able to hold their own against the ‘party line’. There is certainly a scarcity of those sorts of politicians in the ACT.

Pragmatix 9:35 pm 25 Oct 14

milkman said :

Steven Bailey said :

milkman said :

Steven Bailey said :

dungfungus said :

Steven Bailey said :

dungfungus said :

miz said :

I quietly thank Gough almost every day. Medicare is the biggie, but I am also so grateful I was able to get divorced without fuss (no fault) and without my children having to go into orphanages; and for the fact that I actually receive the same pay as the man who does the same job as me, just to mention couple. There are so many things we assume to be ‘normal’ these days which did not exist then.

Medicare needs an overhaul. It is ironic that the only people who get totally free health care via Medicare are the ones that contribute nothing to it. These are the people that are screaming because the rest of Australia wants them to contribute a tiny co-payment every time they use bulk billing services. The rest of us have to pay a co-payment of about $40 each time we see a GP plus the levy on our income. This is not sustainable.

You’re right again Dungfungus. A fair society is unsustainable when the powers of greed are so strong.

Another meaningless comment.

If you find something meaningless, rather than concluding that it is meaningless it would always be safer for you to assume that you are just too stupid to understand it.

Interesting approach for someone who wants to get themself elected.

Yes I suppose it is. I’d rather speak my mind and never be elected than hold my tongue to be elected.

I find it interesting how lots of people don’t seem to be able to separate the concepts of ‘my opinion’ versus ‘best for my electorate’. Food for thought.

How does that relate to the discussion? Steven is just saying that he calls a spade a spade, that doesn’t conflict with the idea of acting in the best interests of an electorate. Surely being honest is always in the best interests of an electorate.

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