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Gun control hasn’t stopped crims getting guns. It’s stopped them getting good guns

By johnboy 23 October 2013 34

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ACT Policing detectives seized a modified 12-gauge shotgun and a quantity of drugs in Braddon today (Wednesday, 23 October).

About 10.20am, detectives from the Criminal Investigations Response Team observed the men sitting in the front seat of a silver Toyota Yaris in a Girrahween Street car park.

After approaching the vehicle, the officers observed the passenger had what appeared to be clip seal bags of illicit drugs.

The detectives directed the men out of the vehicle. The firearm was located on the driver’s seat as the driver left the vehicle. It was immediately seized.

Police conducted a search of the vehicle, locating a quantity of methamphetamine and valium. The drugs are believed to have a potential street value of around $1,700. Ammunition for the firearm was also seized.

The two occupants of the vehicle, a 25-year-old Oxley man and a 29-year-old Murrumbateman man, were both arrested and transported to the ACT Watch House. They will be charged with drug and firearm related offences.

The men will face ACT Magistrates Court tomorrow morning.

ACT Policing is currently conducting campaigns targeting illicit firearms and drugs. If you know or suspect anyone in your neighbourhood is involved in criminal activity contact Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000 or via www.crimestoppers.com.au. Information can be provided anonymously.

Rewards of up to $5,000 are being offered for information leading to the seizure of illicit firearms, and the successful prosecution of illicit firearms offenders.

[Courtesy ACT Policing]


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Spiral 1:08 pm 29 Oct 13

IrishPete said :

Spiral said :

neanderthalsis said :

And as for wanting an SLR, there is nothing (legitimate) that your average Joe Citizen needs an SLR for that they can’t do with a good bolt action rifle.

I agree about your average citizen. However they are/were quite useful for culling camels and water buffalo from helicopters. An excellent weapon.

And brumbies, while playing “Ride of the Valkyries” through external speakers.

Ok so the Brumbies didn’t win the grand final this year, but if that is enough reason to cull them, then what are we going to do with the Raiders?

IrishPete 11:36 am 29 Oct 13

Spiral said :

neanderthalsis said :

And as for wanting an SLR, there is nothing (legitimate) that your average Joe Citizen needs an SLR for that they can’t do with a good bolt action rifle.

I agree about your average citizen. However they are/were quite useful for culling camels and water buffalo from helicopters. An excellent weapon.

And brumbies, while playing “Ride of the Valkyries” through external speakers.

I have a feeling such weapons are legal for professional shooters for these purposes.

IP

IrishPete 11:31 am 29 Oct 13

HenryBG said :

DrKoresh said :

Man, guns are so cool…

An SLR would be very cool. But whereas people who rock up illegally to our country are immediately setup with a free house and $2400/month free cash, we genuine citizens are not allowed to own standard firearms.

Racist rubbish.

IP

LSWCHP 2:38 pm 28 Oct 13

Spiral said :

neanderthalsis said :

And as for wanting an SLR, there is nothing (legitimate) that your average Joe Citizen needs an SLR for that they can’t do with a good bolt action rifle.

I agree about your average citizen. However they are/were quite useful for culling camels and water buffalo from helicopters. An excellent weapon.

When I was a youngster quite a few of my mates legally owned semi-autos such as the AR-15, M1 carbine, M1A, Ruger Mini-14 etc and nobody thought very much of it. I’d be happy to shoot a semi-auto service rifle match like I used to back in the good old days.

I spent much of my youth shooting the SLR, and now I think I’d go for the Springfield M1A match version, if such things were permissible. The SLR just wasn’t all that accurate, because the front and rear sights are on two separate components joined by a hinge so (at least the old beat up ones I used) constantly needed to be re-zeroed.

neanderthalsis 1:36 pm 28 Oct 13

Spiral said :

neanderthalsis said :

And as for wanting an SLR, there is nothing (legitimate) that your average Joe Citizen needs an SLR for that they can’t do with a good bolt action rifle.

I agree about your average citizen. However they are/were quite useful for culling camels and water buffalo from helicopters. An excellent weapon.

An excellent weapon indeed, as a young Cadet I first got my hands on an SLR at the age of 13. I would like to own one now, but I have no use for it and given the cost of ammunition, firing it would be too expensive.

Spiral 1:16 pm 28 Oct 13

neanderthalsis said :

And as for wanting an SLR, there is nothing (legitimate) that your average Joe Citizen needs an SLR for that they can’t do with a good bolt action rifle.

I agree about your average citizen. However they are/were quite useful for culling camels and water buffalo from helicopters. An excellent weapon.

eily 1:15 pm 28 Oct 13

johnboy said :

I think of SLR’s more as compact cannons than assault rifles. And given how very amenable they are to full auto mode rightly treated with caution.

I just think of canon.

neanderthalsis 12:24 pm 28 Oct 13

Deref said :

Robertson said :

Those two should be shipped off to one of Gina Rheinhardt’s mines for 12 months of proper labour.

For krisesakes – stop giving Gina ideas! She already wants to import people who’ll work for a dollar a day!

PBO said :

KB1971 said :

OMG what???? An SLR is hardly a standard firearm……its a semi automatic assult rifle……..why the hell would you want one of those??.

Actually, it isnt an assault rifle at all because it fires a .303 rifle cartridge whereas an assault rifle generally has a round bigger than a pistols but smaller than a rifles amongst other things.

It is a light semi automatic rifle and I would not want one either because they are a bitch to keep clean (diesal is usually best).

Actually, it was a 7.62×51, or more commonly known as a .308 in civvy land. And your modern military assault rifles, such as the Steyr and the M16/AR15 are commonly in 5.56mm. Pistols (and their SMG derivatives) on the other hand are usually quite a large calibre round, just lower powered, the most common being in 9mm or up to a .45.

And as for wanting an SLR, there is nothing (legitimate) that your average Joe Citizen needs an SLR for that they can’t do with a good bolt action rifle.

Deref 11:30 am 28 Oct 13

Robertson said :

Those two should be shipped off to one of Gina Rheinhardt’s mines for 12 months of proper labour.

For krisesakes – stop giving Gina ideas! She already wants to import people who’ll work for a dollar a day!

KB1971 11:30 am 28 Oct 13

460cixy said :

KB1971 said :

HenryBG said :

DrKoresh said :

Man, guns are so cool…

An SLR would be very cool. But whereas people who rock up illegally to our country are immediately setup with a free house and $2400/month free cash, we genuine citizens are not allowed to own standard firearms.

OMG what???? An SLR is hardly a standard firearm……its a semi automatic assult rifle……..why the hell would you want one of those??

Oh, see the Tony Abbott thread for you thoughts on immigration……

But across the ditch in N.Z an SLR Is not a problem to own at all.

Have they had a Martin Bryant incident?

Also, even before Martin Bryant I dont think it was legal to own one.

KB1971 11:28 am 28 Oct 13

PBO said :

KB1971 said :

OMG what???? An SLR is hardly a standard firearm……its a semi automatic assult rifle……..why the hell would you want one of those??.

Actually, it isnt an assault rifle at all because it fires a .303 rifle cartridge whereas an assault rifle generally has a round bigger than a pistols but smaller than a rifles amongst other things.

It is a light semi automatic rifle and I would not want one either because they are a bitch to keep clean (diesal is usually best).

Well, when I meant ‘assault rifle’ I meant ‘semi automatic rifele used by sodiers in war to kill people’.

If I had just said semi automatic that could mean anything.

But yes, a semi or fully automatic camel gun & not a ‘standard rifle’ as referred to by Henry……. 😛

PBO 11:02 am 28 Oct 13

KB1971 said :

OMG what???? An SLR is hardly a standard firearm……its a semi automatic assult rifle……..why the hell would you want one of those??.

Actually, it isnt an assault rifle at all because it fires a .303 rifle cartridge whereas an assault rifle generally has a round bigger than a pistols but smaller than a rifles amongst other things. It is a light semi automatic rifle and I would not want one either because they are a bitch to keep clean (diesal is usually best).

    johnboy 11:04 am 28 Oct 13

    I think of SLR’s more as compact cannons than assault rifles. And given how very amenable they are to full auto mode rightly treated with caution.

460cixy 10:24 am 28 Oct 13

KB1971 said :

HenryBG said :

DrKoresh said :

Man, guns are so cool…

An SLR would be very cool. But whereas people who rock up illegally to our country are immediately setup with a free house and $2400/month free cash, we genuine citizens are not allowed to own standard firearms.

OMG what???? An SLR is hardly a standard firearm……its a semi automatic assult rifle……..why the hell would you want one of those??

Oh, see the Tony Abbott thread for you thoughts on immigration……

But across the ditch in N.Z an SLR Is not a problem to own at all.

Tooks 9:33 am 28 Oct 13

HenryBG said :

DrKoresh said :

Man, guns are so cool…

An SLR would be very cool. But whereas people who rock up illegally to our country are immediately setup with a free house and $2400/month free cash, we genuine citizens are not allowed to own standard firearms.

Genuine citizens are allowed to own firearms.

KB1971 9:15 am 28 Oct 13

HenryBG said :

DrKoresh said :

Man, guns are so cool…

An SLR would be very cool. But whereas people who rock up illegally to our country are immediately setup with a free house and $2400/month free cash, we genuine citizens are not allowed to own standard firearms.

OMG what???? An SLR is hardly a standard firearm……its a semi automatic assult rifle……..why the hell would you want one of those??

Oh, see the Tony Abbott thread for you thoughts on immigration……

HenryBG 8:59 pm 27 Oct 13

DrKoresh said :

Man, guns are so cool…

An SLR would be very cool. But whereas people who rock up illegally to our country are immediately setup with a free house and $2400/month free cash, we genuine citizens are not allowed to own standard firearms.

DrKoresh 4:52 pm 24 Oct 13

Man, guns are so cool…

neanderthalsis 4:18 pm 24 Oct 13

IrishPete said :

460cixy said :

neanderthalsis said :

IrishPete said :

Who said stolen firearms aren’t used in crime?

IP

I can’t see anywhere in the police release that states it is a stolen firearm. I can’t recall anyone claiming on here that stolen firearms aren’t used in crime; most of us legal firearms owners have read, and often quote from, the Australian Institute of Criminology reports on firearms theft and use in crimes. The stats are very handy when I find myself forced to justify my gun ownership by the hyperventilating “all guns and gun owners are bad” crowd who believe that a licenced and heavily regulated gun owner becomes a homicidal maniac hell bent on killing everything as soon as they pick up a gun.

Judging by the antiquity of the shotty, it was probably a pre-buyback gun bought at KMART back in the days when you could pick one up for next to nothing with virtually no regulation. It also looks as if it would be more dangerous to the nut behind the butt rather than anyone on the receiving end. It would kick like an angry mule and have a maximum range of about 10 metres depending on the ammo used.

Think you are bang on there. Would of been millions of those back in the day and never been registered but hey it’s only legal guns we have to worry about according to I.P

I didn’t say that. I am suggesting it is ALSO legal guns we have to worry about, once stolen, or if in the hands of people who shouldn’t be trusted with a butter knife.

Every time there is a shooting incident, people rush to their keyboards to say (in the absence of any evidence for or against) that it wasn’t a stolen gun, it must have been illegally imported. I just wanted to get in first.

IP

And I quote…

Illegally sourced firearms come from a combination of illegal importation of complete firearms or their parts, illegal domestic manufacture and the reactivation of firearms. The main supply route of firearms from the legal to illegal sphere is through diversion (Kerlatec 2007; Qld CMC 2004). The black market in firearms does not appear to be dominated by organised crime, but rather by a looser system of criminal gangs who acquire firearms when and where they are needed (Mouzos 1999), and by people with otherwise legitimate access to firearms who coordinate small-scale transfer of firearms out of the legal pool (Qld CMC 2003, cited in Qld CMC 2004).

Illegal firearms sourced via diversion are supplemented by firearms stolen from private dealers and owners, the security industry, police, and the military. Firearms theft data from between 1 July 2004 and 30 June 2006 found that 162 handguns were reported stolen to police, representing six percent of all reported stolen firearms in that period. Two of the 162 stolen handguns were subsequently known to have been used to commit a crime – a murder and an armed robbery respectively. Both handguns had been stolen from security guards – one outside a club and the other outside a bank. In the former incident, the security guard was subsequently murdered by the assailant.

Handgun theft as a percentage of all firearm theft has fallen since the mid-1990s, when an estimated 14 percent of firearms stolen between 1994-95 and 1999-2000 were handguns (Mouzos 2002). The exact factors driving this decline are currently unclear.

Handgun specific, but handguns have a much higher usage rate in crime than any other firearm.

For more exciting statistics on gun crime: http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/current%20series/tandi/361-380/tandi361.html

IrishPete 2:48 pm 24 Oct 13

460cixy said :

neanderthalsis said :

IrishPete said :

Who said stolen firearms aren’t used in crime?

IP

I can’t see anywhere in the police release that states it is a stolen firearm. I can’t recall anyone claiming on here that stolen firearms aren’t used in crime; most of us legal firearms owners have read, and often quote from, the Australian Institute of Criminology reports on firearms theft and use in crimes. The stats are very handy when I find myself forced to justify my gun ownership by the hyperventilating “all guns and gun owners are bad” crowd who believe that a licenced and heavily regulated gun owner becomes a homicidal maniac hell bent on killing everything as soon as they pick up a gun.

Judging by the antiquity of the shotty, it was probably a pre-buyback gun bought at KMART back in the days when you could pick one up for next to nothing with virtually no regulation. It also looks as if it would be more dangerous to the nut behind the butt rather than anyone on the receiving end. It would kick like an angry mule and have a maximum range of about 10 metres depending on the ammo used.

Think you are bang on there. Would of been millions of those back in the day and never been registered but hey it’s only legal guns we have to worry about according to I.P

I didn’t say that. I am suggesting it is ALSO legal guns we have to worry about, once stolen, or if in the hands of people who shouldn’t be trusted with a butter knife.

Every time there is a shooting incident, people rush to their keyboards to say (in the absence of any evidence for or against) that it wasn’t a stolen gun, it must have been illegally imported. I just wanted to get in first.

IP

IrishPete 2:45 pm 24 Oct 13

neanderthalsis said :

IrishPete said :

Postalgeek said :

IrishPete said :

And I would like to thank the person who dumped a deer carcass near where I live. Lovely smell… I can’t tell for sure that it was shot, as it’s too decomposed now, but I can’t see any other way it would have got to where it is.

IP

Could it not have been hit by a car, mauled by a dingo, died of old age/disease/climate change/Tony Abbott?

Are we talking about the deer or the gun?

The deer has been dumped – find edge of hill, push over. The location doesn’t really fit anything else. If you’d hit this deer with a car, the car would also be there, also dead. Deer is the size of a cow. It might even be a cow.

IP

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