Gun control hasn't stopped crims getting guns. It's stopped them getting good guns

PBO said :

KB1971 said :

OMG what???? An SLR is hardly a standard firearm……its a semi automatic assult rifle……..why the hell would you want one of those??.

Actually, it isnt an assault rifle at all because it fires a .303 rifle cartridge whereas an assault rifle generally has a round bigger than a pistols but smaller than a rifles amongst other things.

It is a light semi automatic rifle and I would not want one either because they are a bitch to keep clean (diesal is usually best).

Well, when I meant ‘assault rifle’ I meant ‘semi automatic rifele used by sodiers in war to kill people’.

If I had just said semi automatic that could mean anything.

But yes, a semi or fully automatic camel gun & not a ‘standard rifle’ as referred to by Henry……. 😛

KB1971 said :

OMG what???? An SLR is hardly a standard firearm……its a semi automatic assult rifle……..why the hell would you want one of those??.

Actually, it isnt an assault rifle at all because it fires a .303 rifle cartridge whereas an assault rifle generally has a round bigger than a pistols but smaller than a rifles amongst other things. It is a light semi automatic rifle and I would not want one either because they are a bitch to keep clean (diesal is usually best).

KB1971 said :

HenryBG said :

DrKoresh said :

Man, guns are so cool…

An SLR would be very cool. But whereas people who rock up illegally to our country are immediately setup with a free house and $2400/month free cash, we genuine citizens are not allowed to own standard firearms.

OMG what???? An SLR is hardly a standard firearm……its a semi automatic assult rifle……..why the hell would you want one of those??

Oh, see the Tony Abbott thread for you thoughts on immigration……

But across the ditch in N.Z an SLR Is not a problem to own at all.

HenryBG said :

DrKoresh said :

Man, guns are so cool…

An SLR would be very cool. But whereas people who rock up illegally to our country are immediately setup with a free house and $2400/month free cash, we genuine citizens are not allowed to own standard firearms.

Genuine citizens are allowed to own firearms.

HenryBG said :

DrKoresh said :

Man, guns are so cool…

An SLR would be very cool. But whereas people who rock up illegally to our country are immediately setup with a free house and $2400/month free cash, we genuine citizens are not allowed to own standard firearms.

OMG what???? An SLR is hardly a standard firearm……its a semi automatic assult rifle……..why the hell would you want one of those??

Oh, see the Tony Abbott thread for you thoughts on immigration……

DrKoresh said :

Man, guns are so cool…

An SLR would be very cool. But whereas people who rock up illegally to our country are immediately setup with a free house and $2400/month free cash, we genuine citizens are not allowed to own standard firearms.

Man, guns are so cool…

IrishPete said :

460cixy said :

neanderthalsis said :

IrishPete said :

Who said stolen firearms aren’t used in crime?

IP

I can’t see anywhere in the police release that states it is a stolen firearm. I can’t recall anyone claiming on here that stolen firearms aren’t used in crime; most of us legal firearms owners have read, and often quote from, the Australian Institute of Criminology reports on firearms theft and use in crimes. The stats are very handy when I find myself forced to justify my gun ownership by the hyperventilating “all guns and gun owners are bad” crowd who believe that a licenced and heavily regulated gun owner becomes a homicidal maniac hell bent on killing everything as soon as they pick up a gun.

Judging by the antiquity of the shotty, it was probably a pre-buyback gun bought at KMART back in the days when you could pick one up for next to nothing with virtually no regulation. It also looks as if it would be more dangerous to the nut behind the butt rather than anyone on the receiving end. It would kick like an angry mule and have a maximum range of about 10 metres depending on the ammo used.

Think you are bang on there. Would of been millions of those back in the day and never been registered but hey it’s only legal guns we have to worry about according to I.P

I didn’t say that. I am suggesting it is ALSO legal guns we have to worry about, once stolen, or if in the hands of people who shouldn’t be trusted with a butter knife.

Every time there is a shooting incident, people rush to their keyboards to say (in the absence of any evidence for or against) that it wasn’t a stolen gun, it must have been illegally imported. I just wanted to get in first.

IP

And I quote…

Illegally sourced firearms come from a combination of illegal importation of complete firearms or their parts, illegal domestic manufacture and the reactivation of firearms. The main supply route of firearms from the legal to illegal sphere is through diversion (Kerlatec 2007; Qld CMC 2004). The black market in firearms does not appear to be dominated by organised crime, but rather by a looser system of criminal gangs who acquire firearms when and where they are needed (Mouzos 1999), and by people with otherwise legitimate access to firearms who coordinate small-scale transfer of firearms out of the legal pool (Qld CMC 2003, cited in Qld CMC 2004).

Illegal firearms sourced via diversion are supplemented by firearms stolen from private dealers and owners, the security industry, police, and the military. Firearms theft data from between 1 July 2004 and 30 June 2006 found that 162 handguns were reported stolen to police, representing six percent of all reported stolen firearms in that period. Two of the 162 stolen handguns were subsequently known to have been used to commit a crime – a murder and an armed robbery respectively. Both handguns had been stolen from security guards – one outside a club and the other outside a bank. In the former incident, the security guard was subsequently murdered by the assailant.

Handgun theft as a percentage of all firearm theft has fallen since the mid-1990s, when an estimated 14 percent of firearms stolen between 1994-95 and 1999-2000 were handguns (Mouzos 2002). The exact factors driving this decline are currently unclear.

Handgun specific, but handguns have a much higher usage rate in crime than any other firearm.

For more exciting statistics on gun crime: http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/current%20series/tandi/361-380/tandi361.html

460cixy said :

neanderthalsis said :

IrishPete said :

Who said stolen firearms aren’t used in crime?

IP

I can’t see anywhere in the police release that states it is a stolen firearm. I can’t recall anyone claiming on here that stolen firearms aren’t used in crime; most of us legal firearms owners have read, and often quote from, the Australian Institute of Criminology reports on firearms theft and use in crimes. The stats are very handy when I find myself forced to justify my gun ownership by the hyperventilating “all guns and gun owners are bad” crowd who believe that a licenced and heavily regulated gun owner becomes a homicidal maniac hell bent on killing everything as soon as they pick up a gun.

Judging by the antiquity of the shotty, it was probably a pre-buyback gun bought at KMART back in the days when you could pick one up for next to nothing with virtually no regulation. It also looks as if it would be more dangerous to the nut behind the butt rather than anyone on the receiving end. It would kick like an angry mule and have a maximum range of about 10 metres depending on the ammo used.

Think you are bang on there. Would of been millions of those back in the day and never been registered but hey it’s only legal guns we have to worry about according to I.P

I didn’t say that. I am suggesting it is ALSO legal guns we have to worry about, once stolen, or if in the hands of people who shouldn’t be trusted with a butter knife.

Every time there is a shooting incident, people rush to their keyboards to say (in the absence of any evidence for or against) that it wasn’t a stolen gun, it must have been illegally imported. I just wanted to get in first.

IP

neanderthalsis said :

IrishPete said :

Postalgeek said :

IrishPete said :

And I would like to thank the person who dumped a deer carcass near where I live. Lovely smell… I can’t tell for sure that it was shot, as it’s too decomposed now, but I can’t see any other way it would have got to where it is.

IP

Could it not have been hit by a car, mauled by a dingo, died of old age/disease/climate change/Tony Abbott?

Are we talking about the deer or the gun?

The deer has been dumped – find edge of hill, push over. The location doesn’t really fit anything else. If you’d hit this deer with a car, the car would also be there, also dead. Deer is the size of a cow. It might even be a cow.

IP

IrishPete said :

Postalgeek said :

IrishPete said :

And I would like to thank the person who dumped a deer carcass near where I live. Lovely smell… I can’t tell for sure that it was shot, as it’s too decomposed now, but I can’t see any other way it would have got to where it is.

IP

Could it not have been hit by a car, mauled by a dingo, died of old age/disease/climate change/Tony Abbott?

neanderthalsis said :

IrishPete said :

Who said stolen firearms aren’t used in crime?

IP

I can’t see anywhere in the police release that states it is a stolen firearm. I can’t recall anyone claiming on here that stolen firearms aren’t used in crime; most of us legal firearms owners have read, and often quote from, the Australian Institute of Criminology reports on firearms theft and use in crimes. The stats are very handy when I find myself forced to justify my gun ownership by the hyperventilating “all guns and gun owners are bad” crowd who believe that a licenced and heavily regulated gun owner becomes a homicidal maniac hell bent on killing everything as soon as they pick up a gun.

Judging by the antiquity of the shotty, it was probably a pre-buyback gun bought at KMART back in the days when you could pick one up for next to nothing with virtually no regulation. It also looks as if it would be more dangerous to the nut behind the butt rather than anyone on the receiving end. It would kick like an angry mule and have a maximum range of about 10 metres depending on the ammo used.

Think you are bang on there. Would of been millions of those back in the day and never been registered but hey it’s only legal guns we have to worry about according to I.P

Those two should be shipped off to one of Gina Rheinhardt’s mines for 12 months of proper labour.

Postalgeek said :

IrishPete said :

Who said stolen firearms aren’t used in crime?

IP

I don’t know. Did anyone say that?

Yes, frequently on the RiotACT.

Perhaps this one wasn’t stolen – perhaps someone paid several hundred dollars for a legal shotgun, registered it, and then cut it down and hoped the cops wouldn’t do a random inspection. No doubt they intended to use it for shooting flying pigs.

And I would like to thank the person who dumped a deer carcass near where I live. Lovely smell… I can’t tell for sure that it was shot, as it’s too decomposed now, but I can’t see any other way it would have got to where it is.

IP

Braver man than me to fire that piece….

The wanker must have had wrists as strong as steel to fire that like a pistol, but it looks like it is missing the piece that secures the barrel.

As punishment the bloke should be made to go through a box of shells on the range, and if he can still fire the thing they should start lining up his drugs and belongings as targets.

Then I want to have a go 🙂

Just quietly, what do you expect from a country which glorifies real life crimo’s in its number one TV Drama. – just saying!

IrishPete said :

Who said stolen firearms aren’t used in crime?

IP

I can’t see anywhere in the police release that states it is a stolen firearm. I can’t recall anyone claiming on here that stolen firearms aren’t used in crime; most of us legal firearms owners have read, and often quote from, the Australian Institute of Criminology reports on firearms theft and use in crimes. The stats are very handy when I find myself forced to justify my gun ownership by the hyperventilating “all guns and gun owners are bad” crowd who believe that a licenced and heavily regulated gun owner becomes a homicidal maniac hell bent on killing everything as soon as they pick up a gun.

Judging by the antiquity of the shotty, it was probably a pre-buyback gun bought at KMART back in the days when you could pick one up for next to nothing with virtually no regulation. It also looks as if it would be more dangerous to the nut behind the butt rather than anyone on the receiving end. It would kick like an angry mule and have a maximum range of about 10 metres depending on the ammo used.

Jeez, that thing would have enough kick to snap your wrist. I suspect its intent is more intimidation rather than being a practical firearm.

IrishPete said :

Who said stolen firearms aren’t used in crime?

IP

Who said it was stolen?

IrishPete said :

Who said stolen firearms aren’t used in crime?

IP

I don’t know. Did anyone say that?

Who said stolen firearms aren’t used in crime?

IP

More good work by the Rozzers. I shudder at the thought of possibly drug affected people driving around with weapons like that in their cars. One wrong word to the wrong bloke at the wrong time and you could end up dead.