12 May 2008

Hedge row

| Gungahlin Al
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That’s row as in argument, not as in row your boat…

Some precious folk in the older ‘burbs are upset that TAMS has had the temerity to ask them to give the public their footpathes back. They think their towering and ever-expanding hedges should be allowed to continue on their way and tough luck for any pesky pedestrians who might wish to walk on a footpath.

To request that public areas should remain – well – public seems to be nothing short of an assault on heritage values this guy reckons. The Canberra Times has a classic photo of what happens when you have to get a bit more serious with the clippers. Of interest is that on the side of the picture is an unpruned area where you can clearly see just how far this bloke’s hedge has taken over the footpath – all of it. Makes the guy look a bit of a burk IMHO.

This is a problem all over the established areas of Canberra, and good on TAMS for cracking down on it. How ugly it ends up looking after pruning back is simply a testiment to how inconsiderate the owner was in the first place.

[rant off]

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Holden Caulfield2:37 pm 15 May 08

cranky said :

Thumper,

Building a Clubman/Lotus 7.
What’s a Bobber?

Noice. Those things bloody hammer!

Holden Caulfield2:36 pm 15 May 08

sepi said :

Planning is not a real talent in Canbrera.

Unlike seplling. 😉

While I agree that an owner should be responsible for hedge maintenance, especially if the consequence of not doing so is inconveniencing the public at large, I do think the older hedges do have claims to exceptional circumstances. However, it does appear if the local council has made reasonable attempts to ask owners to take action, so it is not as if they were not warned.

It really is a confusing maze of responsibility.

I don’t like riding my bike and being forced off the footpath by an overgrown hedge. But I like the big old hedges too!! Cognitive dissonance, cognitive dissonance!!

Thumper,

Building a Clubman/Lotus 7.
What’s a Bobber?

For Heaven’s sake people – there is a massive nature strip beside these old hedges! It’s not as though you’re being pushed onto a busy road! What petty little bureaucrat sh*ts – probably the same ones who failed to protect the massive tree next door …

sepi said :

It is sad that something that has taken 80 years to grow is destroyed by bureaucrats.
If the hedges were really blocking access that would be a problem, but they are just creeping onto the skinny footpath, and there is plenty of room beyond for the path to be extended.

totally agree. These hedges are worth preserving.

80 years old!

I don’t think water restrictions were an issue when people planted those hedges.

It is sad that something that has taken 80 years to grow is destroyed by bureaucrats.
If the hedges were really blocking access that would be a problem, but they are just creeping onto the skinny footpath, and there is plenty of room beyond for the path to be extended.

OpenYourMind210:18 pm 13 May 08

Isn’t the point of the hedges to hide the fact that the owners are watering the f**k out of their green lawns. Take a walk through Red Hill/Forfest. Of course the water is ‘bore water’, but that’s another whole new argument.

It’s a bit like Terry Snow’s buildings proudly boasting their waterless urinals. Never mind that they have an army of gardeners and are continually watering all the grass, but at least that smelly urinal isn’t getting flushed.

Sepi, I agree with most of what your saying , and most of the older coniferous hedges are planted with tree species however with regular pruning they can definately be kept back from paths (I have spent a lot of my working life maintaining a number of these hedges in older parts of Deakin and Forrest).
However leave them a season though and you will have problems.
I believe people should be making a serious effort to maintain these hedges In some areas they must be pushing 80 years and are a critical part of the street scape

I am disappointed that the problem caused by these hedges is so crudely resolved by the owner/TAMS.

They do have historic relevance – they have been there a lot longer than most of the residents, and have a certain majesty that should have been worked around.

(rant commences)

There seems to be little control over officious public servants with right, if not commonsense, on their side. We seem to find examples of this trait cropping up reasonably often, the above being just the latest example.

I have a problem with the local road regulation/registration authorities, who are enforcing up to the minute Australian Design Rules (for motor vehicles) on what are called Individually Constructed Vehicles (ICV’s). Yes Virginia, it is possible to build and register your own motor vehicle. The rub is that these vehicles are required to meet most of the regs applied to the GM/Ford/Toyotas of this world. You are not required to smash your vehicle into a concrete block at 50k’s.

The majority of these vehicles take a couple of years to build, so the various rego authorities give between 3 – 5 years to complete the construction, and base the compliance with ADR’s on the date the build commenced.

Not the ACT bureaucracy. Locally,the car has to comply with the ADR’s applicable on the day the vehicle is presented for registration. How one can anticipate what rules will apply in 3-5 years is a good question.

Personally, my vehicle will be legal if registered by June 30 this year, illegal/unregisterable on 1 July. This information was transmitted to me in February this year.

Why should this be so? I suspect because the Rego bureaucrats can. No consideration is given to the people this may effect, simply that a law is to be enforced without concern for any consequences, to be seen as an efficent operator/operation.

Bring on the election, where maybe the resulting government may well be amendable to common sense.

(rant off)

These cypress hedges are actually rows of cypress trees. Even if you pruned them diligently every year, they would eventually creep onto the footpath.

These hedges are gorgeous, irreplacable inside 20 years, and are even recommended as a sightseeing attraction in the government’s heritage walks publication.

If they are destroyed should be up to the local residents. If more of them feel they really need access to the little strip of concrete, and not the flat dirt next to it, then the hedges will have to go. But noone has asked the residents.

Residents should also be given the option of paying for a new footpath to be built next tot he old one. Some have already offered to do this, but the govt refuses to talk about the issue.

I wouldn’t be pruning any conifer to bare wood, There’s a nice example of the outcome somewhere in campbell st ainslie from memory (in the vicinity of the preschool??), however many of the old hedges are also privet, pyracantha, and photinia all of which will rebound very well from a skeleton prune, I would consider pulling out the first two due to weediness.
Hedges that are maintained well should not be a prolblem with paths.

Gungahlin Al2:02 pm 13 May 08

Andrew MacKenzie from UC (landscape architects assoc) was on 666 this morning and made a good point. With large yards, many of these places could plant replacement hedges behind the offending ones, then remove the old ones once the new were established.

Another arborist yesterday made the point that most of the hedges are either cypress or juniper. He said Juniper can be pruned to hell and will bounce back, but cypress is cactus if you prune to bare wood.
So I think Andrew’s suggestion – although it would likely be a 5-year transition – has a lot of merit.

A house not too far from mine always had tree branches hanging down onto the path, which were pretty annoying and dangerous when riding a bike (especially when it’s getting dark). So my solution was to ride through their garden bed of flowers – which was out of the way of the hanging tree branches. They must have realised, as the tree was recently trimmed.

^ on the button.

la mente torbida8:47 am 13 May 08

FFS. I have this issue where I live. I, and a number of locals, keep their hedges trimmed and there is no issue. Others, the hedges are so poorly maintined, it is not possible to use the footpath.

If the guy in the ABC news item had bothered to maintain his hedge, it wouldn’t be an issue.

captainwhorebags8:33 am 13 May 08

The hedges are an encroachment on public land. The government can do what they want with them and if they’re now unsafe, remove them completely.

If it was a road that they were growing into, and not a footpath, would anyone advocate moving the road?

The footpaths are heritage listed

Pretty -v- property. I would have to hedge my bets.

It’s a bit rough. Couldn’t they look at widening the footpaths instead of having the hedges wrecked? Hedges like this have to be trimmed almost weekly, to control the new growth before it becomes old growth (that hard, sticky stuff that won’t grow green bits) and those tall hedges, well, it’s just not going to happen. But if they lose their hedges, they can’t just put up a colourbond fence, there’s rules against that.

It’s just more neglect by ACT admin, and then they get all zealous and no one wins.

I also support the hedge guy, and Sepi’s comments. What TAMS did was complete ‘overkill’ and, being the parent of small children, I agree that the result is far more dangerous than what was originally there.

But my main complaint is that government used to maintain the city, and now they don’t. I know my rates are going up, what is the local council doing with the money?

At a certain age, those hedges will just outgrow the spot they are in. There is only so much you can do with pruning. I thought you were criticising whoever first planted them close to the property boundary.

I actually do think it would be nice to move the powerlines down Majura AVe – someone made a big mistake in planting a row of big oaks under a row of powerlines. Same for the huge white gums that are being chopped back to nothing down Phillip Ave as they compete with poewrlines.

Planning is not a real talent in Canbrera.

sepi said :

I support the hedge guy. I like to look at the massive hedges that have been growing for decades. And on the other side of those griffith ones is 3-4m of manky dirt/grass. Why not (eventually) move the footpath over and leave the hedge there.

Those hedges would have been planted way back when the govt used to trim the hedges, so the original owner was not at fault to plant them.

It is very sad that the current owners are having to destroy them.

It seems that his govt has no respect for plants that have grown over decades, but thinks they can create gardens and arboretums overnight.

If they were trimmed properly in the first place they would be growing nicely and not over the footpath, simple as that.

@ sepi

Are you serious? It is the property owners hedge, they should ensure that it does not encroach on the pedestrian footpath. Just becaus the govenrment “used” to trim the hedges, doesn’t deminsh the resposiblity of owner to ensure that “their” hedge doesn’t impede pedestrian acces to the public footpath…

I have a tree on my property that has been there for decades and is growing into the above power lines. We should keep the tree and move the power lines. It’s not my fault the government put powerlines there after the tree was already there?

Felix the Cat8:04 pm 12 May 08

Fiona said :

I had issues in Holder recently, where there was no room between the fence on one side and a “shrub” that had overgrown from the road side of the footpath.

Roundup FTW!

I support the hedge guy. I like to look at the massive hedges that have been growing for decades. And on the other side of those griffith ones is 3-4m of manky dirt/grass. Why not (eventually) move the footpath over and leave the hedge there.

Those hedges would have been planted way back when the govt used to trim the hedges, so the original owner was not at fault to plant them.

It is very sad that the current owners are having to destroy them.

It seems that his govt has no respect for plants that have grown over decades, but thinks they can create gardens and arboretums overnight.

OpenYourMind27:38 pm 12 May 08

I like how the owner’s argument is that trimming it back made it dangerous because of the exposed branches. Well, if that’s the case then the hedge should go altogether.

I had issues in Holder recently, where there was no room between the fence on one side and a “shrub” that had overgrown from the road side of the footpath.

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