29 December 2008

It's a hard life being a bunny...

29 December 2008 | Pommy bastard

…at the Pinnacle nature reserve.

As a regular denizen of the Pinnacle, I walk there at least three times a week, I have been amazed at the tenacity of Environment ACT.

To the best of my knowledge in this year alone, they have ..

a) Given the bunnies diseases, with the chilling proviso; “dead rabbits will be left on the ground in order to try and spread the disease.”

b) Poisoned the bunnies with “pindone”; chilling proviso as above.

c) Crushed the bunnies to death, using bulldozers to run over their warrens.

d) Shot the bunnies at night; “be warned do not walk in the shooting areas!” (No shit Sherlock)

But the bunnies are still there, in greater numbers than ever it would seem. Should we offer a bounty on them?

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BerraBoy689:54 am 02 Jan 09

Pommy bastard said :

Interesting points BerraBoy. Some thoughts.

You take the moral choice of potentially harming undersized fish each time you cast. Though my point was aimed at those who fish for the “sport” of catching fish, who, usually after holding them suffocating in air fro a photograph, return them bleeding and harmed into the water.

In our society, and indeed most first world countries, opting to eat meat is a moral choice.

I’m not lecturing on the pro’s and con’s of vegatarianism, just adding the moral dimension to the discussion, which was started by the debate over the morality of killing bunnies.

Thanks for your input.

I enjoy fishing and so do my kids, but I agree with you that those who let fish die though suffocation are pretty poor. I kill what I intend to keep very quickly rather than let them suffer.

To bring this back OT, I and my mates would use steel traps as well as guns to kill rabbits. While I regret killing any of the bunnies, foxes or roos that I have shot, I now find the use of steel trap particularly barbaric (and think is some ways I always did). There is no pleasure in walking up to a trap to find a rabbit has lost his leg and probably bled to death somewhere else. Neither is it fun to find several bunnies killed in one go, as they have been too small to set the trap of independently. I have also had mates that have thrown rabbits into rivers, dams etc. just to see how long it took them to drown. While this was done as kids, I can’t say I’d like to be around anybody that did such things these days.

Pommy bastard9:40 am 02 Jan 09

Interesting points BerraBoy. Some thoughts.

You take the moral choice of potentially harming undersized fish each time you cast. Though my point was aimed at those who fish for the “sport” of catching fish, who, usually after holding them suffocating in air fro a photograph, return them bleeding and harmed into the water.

In our society, and indeed most first world countries, opting to eat meat is a moral choice.

I’m not lecturing on the pro’s and con’s of vegatarianism, just adding the moral dimension to the discussion, which was started by the debate over the morality of killing bunnies.

Thanks for your input.

BerraBoy689:31 am 02 Jan 09

Pommy bastard said :

Not evil, that’s too strong a word for it. Unnecessary, perhaps.

And those that hook fish out of the water, only to put them back again, have a questionable morality.

I find this comment of yours to be subjective though PB. I love fishing but also like returning the fish to their habitat, especially if they are undersize. I’ve seen our indigenous cousins leave dozens of live fish on the beach at Broulee to die simply as it wasn’t their choice of catch to send to the canneries… now this is questionable.

I’m not having a go at you PB (seriously)just adding my 2 cents worth to this discussion, but opting to eat meat or not is personal choice pure and simple. I hate nothing more than people trying to lecture me or anybody else about the immorality of eating it. After all, I don’t lecture vegetarians on their choices. That said, has there ever been a race of people on this planet that don’t eat meat? Don’t other animals eat it? It seems perfectly natural to me. Nobody ever made friends over a salad.

Pommy bastard7:25 am 02 Jan 09

It’s easy to see how simplistic you are if you think a question on morality; “Is it ok to eat animals?” can be given a yes or no answer.

But, just to keep you happy, yes it is ok to eat animals.

However, some people, find it morally repugnant to do so.

Is it wrong to find eating animals morally unethical?

Ari5:46 pm 01 Jan 09

It’s interesting how evasive you’ve become when asked simple questions on the topic.

Anyway, it does show where you are coming from.

Pommy bastard5:02 pm 01 Jan 09

It’s a moral choice.

If it’s “ok to eat animals” is subjective.

If you’re looking for me to impose my own personal morality on others, you’re barking up the wrong alleyway.

Ari4:53 pm 01 Jan 09

Is it ok to eat animals?

Pommy bastard4:51 pm 01 Jan 09

It’s ok not to eat animals. Quite healthy not to in fact.

As to whether people who eat animals killed by others are more or less morally sound than those who kill a portion* of their own meat, is debatable. I’d say less.

* No one, I believe, lives entirely on self killed meat, most “hunters” also eat bought meat.

Ari4:44 pm 01 Jan 09

So it’s OK to eat fish/animals that have been killed by someone else, but if you do it yourself you are morally questionable?

Or is it not ok to eat animals?

Pommy bastard4:15 pm 01 Jan 09

Not evil, that’s too strong a word for it. Unnecessary, perhaps.

And those that hook fish out of the water, only to put them back again, have a questionable morality.

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