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Liberals bring the love for woodheaters in Molonglo

By johnboy - 30 September 2012 38

Let’s face it, at the price of land in the Molonglo development people there are going to be using wood fires for ornamental purposes rather than cheaping out on heating.

But it’s probably symbolic Zed Seselja is promising to overturn the Government’s ban on the things in the new development:

ACT Opposition Leader Zed Seselja announced today that if elected, a Canberra Liberals Government will overturn the ACT Labor/Greens Coalition’s wood heater ban in the Molonglo Valley. “First the ACT Labor/Greens Coalition banned fireworks, then shopping trolleys, then plastic bags, and now they’re banning wood heaters,” Mr Seselja said.

“It comes at a time when people have just been slugged with another 17 per cent electricity cost rise, and are buying wood heaters to keep costs down.

“Like many Canberrans, we’re sick of this nanny state approach and believe government should support people, not try to control their lives.

“A Canberra Liberals Government would repeal the ban on wood heaters in the Molonglo Valley, and resist further moves by the Greens to ban them in other areas.

“Wood Heaters are a cost effective option to heating a home, and are carbon neutral. With newer technology, they’re also more efficient and cleaner.

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38 Responses to
Liberals bring the love for woodheaters in Molonglo
Mr Gillespie 9:42 pm 30 Sep 12

Well, if I want a fireplace and a fire on a cold winter’s day, no greenie environmental redneck should be able to dictate that I can’t.

Labor + Greens = Nannyism

Nannyism on plastic shopping bags
Nannyism on fireplaces

poetix 9:06 pm 30 Sep 12

‘Nanny state’ seems to be Poppin up everywhere.

Matt says it, Zed says it
Nanny, Nana-nannee…
A chimney’s as good
as a chimney can be…

Gin please.

milkman 7:25 pm 30 Sep 12

schmeah said :

Giulia Jones was handing out flyers saying ‘we’re bringing back plastic bags’ and now Zed is ranting about bringing back wood heaters … it’s like they’re incapable of independent thought.

Either that or they want to undo the stupid policies of the existing idiots.

thy_dungeonman 7:21 pm 30 Sep 12

I live next to two people with wood heaters and the smell has never bothered me. The only thing that has is the sounds of a wood delivery onto the driveway at 7am. What I have noticed however is that I hardly smell the smoke from the more responsible neighbors who buy fire wood as opposed to the non-responsible ones who also frequently have outdoor barrel fires. But what bothers me most is the smell of the never-cleaned chicken coop that the non-responsible neighbor keeps against our common fence, especially in summer. Perhaps they should ban chickens but I think like wood heaters it’s a matter of responsibility, which is something the government should try to instill with consequences for non-compliance rather than outright bans.

Madam Cholet 7:03 pm 30 Sep 12

I think they lost my vote too. I was willing to give them a go but this one pushed me over the edge and I’m sick of the whole “we’ll change anything that Labor did”.

Living in the Tuggeranong Valley is bad with the wood smoke. Our local offender two doors down seemingly vacated this winter and the air was noticeably better at night so anyone who does anything to improve or at least not worsen the air quality will get my interest.

POK 6:11 pm 30 Sep 12

GardeningGirl –

There is a good reason to not stack against the home boundary line, and it is termite related but it doesn’t really matter what you’re stacking. The idea is to be able to see whether termites have formed one of those tunnels up over your concrete block. The wood can attract wood-eating insects, but the simplest method I’ve seen to avoid that is to stack it on a piece of sheet metal.

The smell of smoke will also be stronger on a humid/wet day because our noses are simply more sensitive in those conditions. This is why if you’re having a shower, odours become a lot stronger.

While I do burn wood, I wouldn’t recommend it in denser environments, or in low wind areas. I don’t think anyone wants to burn wet wood. I’m not sure where you would even store wood on those tiny ACT blocks. That doesn’t mean you should legislate against it. If you want a HOA, live in a HOA. If you want your HOA to ban woodfire heaters, then vote within the HOA.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd 4:44 pm 30 Sep 12

Gardening girl, all wood heaters can burn clean. It’s the people who don’t burn the right wood or try to burn wet wood to start. If you put wet hardwood on a hot fire = no difference but if you try to start a fire with wet wood that’s when it’s bad.
Clean flu, only burn seasoned hardwood or pine, make sure the fire is hot and fully burning before turning the air vent down and it’s clean and efficient.

Maybe people should be made to do a course before being aloud to have a fire installed?

c_c 3:54 pm 30 Sep 12

‘nanny state approach’
‘keep costs down’
‘control their lives’

Incapable of independent thought and addicted to x number of word answers so it seems.

Someone send Zed a link to this asap: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85dKvletfSo

Affirmative Action M 3:26 pm 30 Sep 12

Try living next to a couple of houses with wood heaters. Outside its impossible to breathe on a still day in winter. Whatever rules you make about heater and wood standards you still get people that either overnight or if they are working during the day will fill the heater chock a block with minimum air setting so that it smoulders for 8 hours & they don’t have to re light the fire when they wake up or come home from work.

GardeningGirl 3:23 pm 30 Sep 12

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

GardeningGirl said :

I live in an area new enough that wood heaters are not as common as in our old suburb and what ones are around here meet the newer emmission limits, BUT they’re still a problem, especially after rain because still nothing’s been done about requiring proper firewood storage. It’s less of a problem than before but enough to affect choices I make like whether to put washing outside on the line and when the wind is blowing a certain direction its enough to be mildly irritating inside. Banning them in the Molonglo VALLEY where the houses are packed in like sardines sounded like an intelligent idea to me. It just ocurred to me too, what about firewood storage on those tiny blocks, might there be a bigger risk of termite problems because people stack their wood against their neighbours wall on the boundary? “Nanny state” rubbish! The government GOVERNS, I want them to govern intelligently for the benefit of the community.
I just decided how I’ll vote.

Termites are zero threat to a new house. Sounds like you are just scaremongering.

Wood needs to be policed, not so much storage, but what type of wood is being burnt. Hardwood does not absorb water just from rain, it will make the outside wet only and will evaporate straight away.

Termites, I don’t know, I just remember always being told not to stack stuff like that up against walls, even if the house has termite treatment, it was just a genuine question that ocurred to me. I know of people who worry about mulched garden beds against the house so there’s bigger “scaremongering” questions than mine out there. And anything stacked up like that will attract various creepy crawlies, perhaps not a problem on an old-fashioned suburban block but on those tiny blocks?

Rain and firewood, I don’t know. I suppose there could be other explanations. Perhaps people with two choices of heating are more likely to light up the fire in wet weather cos it seems cosier so there’s a greater number of wood heaters going? Or something to do with the smoke coming out the chimney and hitting the humid air? But I’ve seen the advice in various places that firewood ought to be stored in a dry place so I assume there’s a reason for that. And whatever the cause or causes, I can SMELL the difference when there’s rainy weather, that is my experience. Your right though that there’s more to it about the wood, not just the homeowners storage.

Getting back to what Zed said, I suffered enough in my old house. Since then politicians have supposedly worked on fixing the problem by homeowner education and improved emission standards and so on, and it’s not fixed enough so I can hang washing outside in winter any time and leave thicker items out overnight like I used to in Canberra many many years ago. I don’t know how far technology could go in making wood heaters burn cleaner. Geography and cold air inversions we’re stuck with. If the Liberals did something to replace existing wood heaters with new clean ones and PROVE it solves the problem in existing problem areas and THEN look at overturning the Molonglo Valley ban I might feel differently, but for now they lost my vote with this.

Diggety 2:33 pm 30 Sep 12

“Like many Canberrans, we’re sick of this nanny state approach and believe government should support people, not try to control their lives.

Good, let’s see you rip up the rest of the nanny state policies then.

schmeah 2:25 pm 30 Sep 12

Giulia Jones was handing out flyers saying ‘we’re bringing back plastic bags’ and now Zed is ranting about bringing back wood heaters … it’s like they’re incapable of independent thought.

Jethro 2:06 pm 30 Sep 12

The government banned shopping trolleys?

News to me.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd 1:27 pm 30 Sep 12

GardeningGirl said :

I live in an area new enough that wood heaters are not as common as in our old suburb and what ones are around here meet the newer emmission limits, BUT they’re still a problem, especially after rain because still nothing’s been done about requiring proper firewood storage. It’s less of a problem than before but enough to affect choices I make like whether to put washing outside on the line and when the wind is blowing a certain direction its enough to be mildly irritating inside. Banning them in the Molonglo VALLEY where the houses are packed in like sardines sounded like an intelligent idea to me. It just ocurred to me too, what about firewood storage on those tiny blocks, might there be a bigger risk of termite problems because people stack their wood against their neighbours wall on the boundary? “Nanny state” rubbish! The government GOVERNS, I want them to govern intelligently for the benefit of the community.
I just decided how I’ll vote.

Termites are zero threat to a new house. Sounds like you are just scaremongering.

Wood needs to be policed, not so much storage, but what type of wood is being burnt. Hardwood does not absorb water just from rain, it will make the outside wet only and will evaporate straight away.

GardeningGirl 12:55 pm 30 Sep 12

I live in an area new enough that wood heaters are not as common as in our old suburb and what ones are around here meet the newer emmission limits, BUT they’re still a problem, especially after rain because still nothing’s been done about requiring proper firewood storage. It’s less of a problem than before but enough to affect choices I make like whether to put washing outside on the line and when the wind is blowing a certain direction its enough to be mildly irritating inside. Banning them in the Molonglo VALLEY where the houses are packed in like sardines sounded like an intelligent idea to me. It just ocurred to me too, what about firewood storage on those tiny blocks, might there be a bigger risk of termite problems because people stack their wood against their neighbours wall on the boundary? “Nanny state” rubbish! The government GOVERNS, I want them to govern intelligently for the benefit of the community.
I just decided how I’ll vote.

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