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Looking for Zeal1, graff tagger.

Homeless 26 November 2010 40

I have been working shift work lately. So I have to park my van around an industrial area late at night. Dodgy stuff, and in the dodgy part of town. Anyway, I got back to it late one night about a week ago. There on the side is a tag from some vandal. ZL1. Bloody brilliant not! This vandal had tagged my van.

I figured I had better wash it off so I tried but the paint was dry. I ended up having to take it to a car detailer to get it off without taking the paint of my van off. It cost me $420! Yes, four hundred and twenty of my HARD EARNED dollars. The guys that did it had about the cheapest quote too and I sat there watching them do the job so I know they were not bullshitting me with a bumped up price.

So anyway I put my fingers to the keyboard and my ear to the ground to find out who this little punk ZL1 is. Some people I know said he uses the nickname ZEAL1 and he’s a graff vandal from Campbell. Oh, and that he’s not a little punk, but a fat punk who is in his late twenties. But that’s all they know. Now that I think of it, I think I have seen the ZEAL1 tag out on those squat telstra box things out on the Federal highway by lake George near Collector.

So, has anyone else had their property vandalised by this guy? Is he a Canberrra phenomenon only? I’ve Googled him and only found pictures from some one with the same name in the Chicago area of the USA. Apparently he’s known as a tagger more than an artist and is looked down on by the so called artists. He used to be well known for tagging trains in the historical railways yards before they improved their fences.

And if you are reading this ZL1, you owe me $420.


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fgzk 9:03 am 28 Nov 10

Fair enough. The property violence and physical violence committed buy young people in Canberra must be a reflection/reaction of its adult population. As seen on RA repeatedly, Canberra Adults endorse violence/abuse against minors and young adults.

Why, because your stuff is more important than another person. Because your car is a god.

“lie back and let vermin do us over because we don’t want to damage their self respect is”

Mainly it should be self interest. If you endorse violence then you should expect an equal if not greater violent response. LSWCHP you might find yourself in a ditch with blood in your mouth when the little vermin stabs you with the knife he carries to protect him self from a biffing. The vermin would be just following your line of thinking. There is nothing wrong with that eh.,,,,You need a gun.

LSWCHP 9:53 pm 27 Nov 10

Once again, I’m sorry about drifting OT on this thread.

Anyway, it’s interesting to see the variety of viewpioints on this topic. Overall, pandaman has said a few things I wanted to say, and more eloquently than I think I could’ve.

My job, my family (yes, they really are precious) and a few other things also keep me busy. Just like most people I expect. Too busy to get involved in whatever the hell fgzk has planned with his taser and bucket of lube, that’s for sure.

I was well annoyed at having my property sabotaged and vandalised. If I’d caught them in the act I might’ve biffed the little shits, maybe not. I reckon there’s nothing wrong with a little righteous anger. Anyone who thinks we should all just lie back and let vermin do us over because we don’t want to damage their self respect is…is…I dunno what that is.

georgesgenitals 9:00 pm 27 Nov 10

fgzk said :

I used to love bludging the day away by hanging out in the Melbourne court precinct. I sat through a couple of cases where one punch caused a death. I don’t think its that uncommon. All you need is for the child you are beating to fall over and hit their head. Knowing this, if you persist in running down a child and beating him, he dies, what does that make you. Who are you then. A good member of your society protecting your family car. A child murderer. A misunderstood vigilante. A bully who accidentally killed a child. Who’s going to protect your family from righteous- vigilante revenge?

Do you really think the law would protect you? You’ll get an AVO maybe. You think all people care about those? The justice system is often able to act only AFTER the offence is committed.

Personally, I don’t condone vigilante violence. But I also spent some time in some pretty rough places as a younger man, and the problem is that it often works. Comment #31 links to another thread here, which I was the first commenter on. I think that comment sums up my position well.

pandaman 7:34 pm 27 Nov 10

Punter – Yes, many people have insurance, problem is, each claim involves paying an excess of a few hundred dollars, (or paying an outrageously inflated premium to remove that excess) not an inconsiderable amount in itself. Also there’s the possibility of loss of no claim bonus depending on the policy details. Insurance isn’t a magic way of removing a financial burden, generally just a way of reducing the risk of incurring a potentially unbearable one.

In particular young people (for example the OP, to make an assumption) if they insure their vehicle tend to opt for third party policies as comprehensive insurance is bloody expensive for under 25’s. When I was under 25, the premium alone for comprehensive insurance on my first three cars was more than I paid for them!

Oh and fgzk, I’d be only too happy to participate in your experiment but I’m a bit busy at the moment due to several factors, like having a job, engaging with others members of the community in a positive manner (not involving behaving like a twat running around vandalising and thieving things for fun) and building a project car. (which some lowlife will no doubt feel the need to deface at some point) If you’d care to stop past my place of work and attempt to inflict some controlled violence on me, you’re most welcome.

Anyway, Homeless, I really hope you find this Zeal fellow and manage to have a constructive conversation with him. If you do track him down, I’d be very interested in finding out what he had to say. Best of luck.

fgzk 7:02 pm 27 Nov 10

Those where the days. Supreme court in the morning and my favorite, magistrates court in the afternoons. The murder trails where very sombre affairs and some thing else Ive never really worked out. The real entertainment all happened in the magistrates courts. I would recommend it if you want to see and hear a different slice of life. Its a lucky dip, you might spend half a day trying to figure whats going on in a tax case or a saga of a panty thief.

Im sure you will love the experiment. Its all been done before. Proving the premise that violence can positively change the way someone thinks. Or not. I think you need convincing. You said it works. It will only hurt for a while then you will be all better.

Punter I’m with you. Insurance please people…….Its your consumer protection.

LSWCHP 5:45 pm 27 Nov 10

fgzk said :

Ive heard all this talk before. Usually its in a room full of what you may refer to as scumbags but I now like to think of as evil geniuses.

I used to love bludging the day away by hanging out in the Melbourne court precinct. I sat through a couple of cases where one punch caused a death.

Experiment…Ill bring the if camphor oil if Tooks lends us a taser.

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So let me get this straight…

You used to hang around in rooms full of scumbags. Now you think those people are evil geniuses.

You also used to love bludging at murder trials involving people being beaten to death. Nothing unusual about that, of course.

Now you want to conduct some sort of experiment on me involving oil and a Taser.

I think I’m starting to get the picture.

Punter 4:34 pm 27 Nov 10

There have been a few comments regarding ‘wearing the substantial costs’ of vandalism to their property. Doesn’t anyone have insurance?

I agree vandalism is a cowardly and criminal act which places a heavy financial burden on society but I do not condone vigilante action as a counter measure. I do suspect, however, if the opportunity to confront a vandal presented itself to most here, common sense would engage and the appropriate authorities would be alerted. There is a difference between voicing someones desire and actually following through.

fgzk 2:35 pm 27 Nov 10

“I didn’t crash, but I could’ve.”

Sure….Time to stop driving if thats all it takes. Did you drive to the servo?

Ive heard all this talk before. Usually its in a room full of what you may refer to as scumbags but I now like to think of as evil geniuses. Being part of a “good” society yet pushing scumbag concepts seems hypocritical. Thinking that someones life is worth less than a car reminds me of a recent double murder.

I used to love bludging the day away by hanging out in the Melbourne court precinct. I sat through a couple of cases where one punch caused a death. I don’t think its that uncommon. All you need is for the child you are beating to fall over and hit their head. Knowing this, if you persist in running down a child and beating him, he dies, what does that make you. Who are you then. A good member of your society protecting your family car. A child murderer. A misunderstood vigilante. A bully who accidentally killed a child. Who’s going to protect your family from righteous- vigilante revenge?

I know this is about as likely to happen as say, being hit by a drunk driver, but seeing as you are already paranoid you might like to give it some thought. Its your own actions that you need to be accountable for. Are you prepared to do the time to get even?

Experiment…Ill bring the if camphor oil if Tooks lends us a taser.

Pork Hunt 1:45 pm 27 Nov 10

fgzk said :

Lswchp. Sorry your defiantly a wanker.

I’m a defiant wanker too so don’t make me come over there and……

LSWCHP 12:41 pm 27 Nov 10

fgzk said :

No-one has put your precious family at risk buy tagging your car. Statistically your family lives are far more likely to be at risk from a violent family member that has violent fantasies. That would be you. You need to take your medication or move to Afganistan.

We could do an experiment with you and the CaptRuff buy applying controlled violence against you for a week and see if we can change your violent fantasies. What do you think the outcome would be?

Good luck with preselection.

You’re perfectly correct that tagging my car presented no risk to me and my family, who are indeed very precious to me.

It was the other bit that got up my nose. They took off the valve caps on the two left hand tyres, put little pebbles on the valve needles and then lightly screwed the valve caps on, so the the tyres would slowly deflate. Evil genius at work.

Two days later I got in my car, drove off and had a “what the hell?” moment because the cars steering had turned to crap, presumably because the two left hand tyres were seriously deflated. I didn’t crash, but I could’ve. I was more than a little cross once I discovered what had happened.

As for the controlled violence experiment, I can’t speak for Capt RAAF, but I think that it’s a very interesting idea. Keep thinking those positive thoughts.

fgzk 11:19 am 27 Nov 10

pandaman. Are you volunteering for the controlled violence experiment or would it be better to just impose it on you vigilante style.

Simple for simpletons.

Pommy bastard 11:05 am 27 Nov 10

LSWCHP said :

I’m glad you got your car fixed up OK.

Some hoody wearing hat-backwards scum keyed both sides of my car near the Labor club in Belco a few months ago. I tried the cloth and cutting polish route suggested by Captain RAAF, but the scratches were too deep. Repair quotes were all the size of telephone numbers, so I had to suck it up.

What really shit me though, was that they’d also fiddled the valves on my tyres to leak slowly, evidently hoping that me, my elderly parents and my wife who was in a wheelchair at the time would all be killed when I lost control and crashed.

If I could find them, I’d make them cry.

Wow, so these low lifes are not only okay with vandalism but also with manslaughter. I hope when you find them you do more than make them cry.

Where the hell was “manslaughter” mentioned?

pandaman 10:33 am 27 Nov 10

Fgzk, it’s really quite a simple premise these guys are putting out there. The ability of certain minority elements within our society to commit criminal acts to the detriment of others with almost total impunity is unacceptable. They have proposed what I believe to be a potentially effective solution. If you catch someone committing an illegal act to your detriment, and you have the capability to deliver them a moderate amount of physical pain with relative impunity, followed by some advice as to why it is not in their best interests to continue this behaviour, it’s entirely possible that this will be a more effective deterrent than reporting said illegal act to the police, making a statement, testifying in a court of law, only to see the bugger get off with, oh for example, a stern talking to and a fine which they will never bother to actually pay.

Physical pain is the original method of negative reinforcement, and some would say the best.

fgzk 9:11 am 27 Nov 10

LSWCHIT Before you run for election on your law and order platform you might like rethink your fantasy and quest for power.

Violence is power. As the great Isacc Newton pointed out every force has a equal and opposing force.

“But regarding violence,” G.O. and Mr Churchill where both referring to meeting violence with violence. Not meet property damage with violence. I know its a subtle difference but its an important one. Its made a little more disgusting with the chance that you are actually asking for violence against children.

Your military officer is absolutely right unless you control the application of violence you risk losing control. In a military situation where there is a clear threat of death or injury to persons, meeting violence with violence is a fact of life/death. Controlling the violence to overwhelm your “enemy” is essential to stay alive. But once again its about physical harm to a persons rather than property. Maybe next time you see him, ask him his views on tribal violence in Afganistan. You could also argue our military have been involved in protecting the property of the US……the worlds oil reserves not the lives of civilians. Regardless ours is a civilian world.

Police are faced with violence every day. They are well protected and armed. They move in groups. They can kill you if you do not comply. They apply enough force to neutralise the opposing force. I don’t think they need much more protection from the community than they now have. Maybe Tooks can explain to you how the police apply force, not violence, to arrest a suspect. Then Tooks can probably find the odd examples where excessive force has been used….”violence”….that has simple escalated a situation to where out of control damage is done to all. Not the kind of damage that can be repaired at the panel beater.

No-one has put your precious family at risk buy tagging your car. Statistically your family lives are far more likely to be at risk from a violent family member that has violent fantasies. That would be you. You need to take your medication or move to Afganistan.

We could do an experiment with you and the CaptRuff buy applying controlled violence against you for a week and see if we can change your violent fantasies. What do you think the outcome would be?

Good luck with preselection.

fgzk 7:38 am 27 Nov 10

Lswchp. Sorry your defiantly a wanker.

LSWCHP 1:05 am 27 Nov 10

fgzk wrote:

fgzk said :

You lot are just a bunch of violent thugs or fantasist’s, I cant work it out. Never liked violent thugs, turds most of them. You could find his tags and paint over them, in pink dicktation.

You’ve grouped three quite distinct character types together. These are violent people, thugs and fantasists. Thugs are what they are. It is best to avoid them if possible. Fantasists are harmless, simply because they are involved with fantasies, not reality. I could be described as a fantasist, as I have a variety of fantasies. I’m pretty sure I’m no different to the majority of people, although I have no scientific evidence to back that claim up.

But regarding violence, there is a great line that I’ve seen attributed to both George Orwell and Winston Churchill: “We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm.”

It’s something we, as a society, tend to brush into the corners, but occasionally Violence Is OK. I attended a professional seminar recently where a military officer described his line of work as controlling the application of violence upon the battlefield. This is pretty standard stuff, and nobody present indicated that they thought this was a bad thing.

Closer to home, cops rousting drunk brawlers in Civic on Saturday night probably need to apply a little violence occasionally, and I think that’s OK too. I would prefer they did so rather than having them (the police) end up in hospital while trying to protect us.

I can think of thousands of other examples.

And I acknowledge that it’s extemely unlikely that I’ll ever find the random crowd of stinking little shits who, for their own amusement, vandalised my car, and put my life at grave risk, along with the lives of my wife and my parents. These people have really pissed me off, and if I did locate them I’d like to think I’d find it within myself to apply a little violence in their direction without feeling too bad about it. You gotta draw the line somewhere.

Or maybe that’s just another violent, thuggish fantasy. You decide. 🙂

Jethro 10:35 pm 26 Nov 10

I saw on the news the other day that some place in Victoria has passed a by-law that fines property owners who don’t clean up graffiti on their property.
There’s an interesting way to deal with the problem… fine the victim.

fgzk 10:00 pm 26 Nov 10

You lot are just a bunch of violent thugs or fantasist’s, I cant work it out. Never liked violent thugs, turds most of them. You could find his tags and paint over them, in pink dicktation.

Brianna 9:14 pm 26 Nov 10

Their tag is their reputation, if their reputation is identified and they have to face the financial consequences, they won’t want to put their tag anywhere. I really believe there should be a law passed to garnish fines and compensation from oxygen thieves who deface our property. Once they are hit in the hip pocket, it certainly takes the joy out of spraying their tag everywhere.

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