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Lyneham oval land grab: Private Sport on Public land?

By gibbon 12 November 2014 24

Leasing of public land for development without community consultation?

Removing Public land so a Private School can build a “Community Facility” the community will have to pay to use?

www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/new-sports-facilities-for-private-college-set-for-lyneham-oval-20141109-11idf9.html

Development Application: 201426427

Period for representations closes: 19/11/2014

www.planning.act.gov.au/topics/have_your_say/


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Kerryhemsley 2:48 pm 15 Sep 15

News that the development proposal has been knocked back by the ACT Government. Good result for two public schools and the local community. Sense prevails.

Masquara 5:51 pm 11 Sep 15

Comments on the land grab close today: hopefully open till midnight
act.gov.au/lynehamoval

lynehamovaluser 7:52 pm 16 Nov 14

You can’t build a preschool facility on open public space so don’t try disguising it. I have eyes and can see it on the plans. It is prohibited development. Just because you don’t say the words doesn’t mean it’s not there.
Why do we have to waste time and energy on such a blatant attempt to avoid being refused. It should never have got this far.

Masquara 5:39 pm 14 Nov 14

Brindabella Christian College have flyered that they are going to have an information session – on 20 November, AFTER submissions to the planning authorities have closed.

justin heywood 10:22 am 14 Nov 14

lynehamovaluser said :

So, I looked closely at the DA, no mention of Brindabella Christian College as the applicant..

That might be because DA documents can be lodged either by the applicant, builder or the architect, as the site clearly says.

There is nothing sinister about the architects submitting the DA on a building of this scale. As for it being some kind of secret, I know the Canberra Times’ circulation has fallen, but surely it is not so low that secrets can safely be buried within its pages.

Wouldn’t it be far simpler just to outline your objections to the proposal rather than float vague conspiracy theories?

HenryBG 9:22 am 14 Nov 14

Maybe now is a good time to cast our minds back to the Orgill report into the Building Education Revolution…

http://www.bradorgill.com.au/bradorgill/wp-content/downloads/2.pdf

When Independent Schools (such as this Brindabella College) can on average build facilities for $2156/m2 while NSW government schools are spending $3448/m2 achieving the same result, I’d say we taxpayers and ratepayers will be getting excellent value from projects such as this.

(And anybody who has any insight into the way ACT public finances are run might choose to be optimistic and assume the ACT is no more inefficient than NSW is.)

lynehamovaluser 9:01 pm 13 Nov 14

So, I looked closely at the DA, no mention of Brindabella Christian College as the applicant; then BCC itself said it was their application (on their website – latest newsletter). Strange, I thought.

The Development Application says it’s for a sealed car park, a 2 storey community activity centre and sports pavilion. Sounds interesting I thought. The plans clearly SHOW a completely separate/isolated 2 room preschool/kindergarten – which is prohibited under the zoning of this land (PRZ1). I started to be confused.

The more I looked, the more suspicious I became, the more questions that need straight answers.

If you care about what the government allows on allocated open public space and being consulted about same, look into it.

If you care about keeping Lyneham Neighbourhood Oval a public open space that the public have a say over let the government know.

If you want to find out what Brindabella Christian College have to say about their proposal and ask any questions come to the meeting on Thursday 20th 6.30pm at the College.

HenryBG 7:50 pm 13 Nov 14

If you would like to see less activity on the part of religious schools, your course of action is simple: fix the ACT education system so fewer people need to patronise those schools that are actually functional.

justin heywood 11:19 am 13 Nov 14

blatherer said :

….It’s listed as a Community Centre, when there are strong suspicions they have no intent to allow the community to use it.

…..It’s an educational facility, not allowed on PRZ1.

…. it’s been done under cloak and dagger, which means they have something to hide. Like the fact it’s not really a Community Centre.

….Perhaps more extensions? Perhaps they want the whole oval?

…. Looks a bit suspicious no?

Well no, it doesn’t look suspicious to me, but then I’m just looking at what’s written and publicly available*.

You are claiming (with no evidence whatsoever) that much more is going on. I hope you post some evidence soon, otherwise the only suspicion I have is that your objection is ideological – and that either your imagination is running away with you or you are just making stuff up.

*I have no connection with the school involved and am a dedicated non-believer.

John Moulis 11:06 am 13 Nov 14

It’s a new compound by the Exclusive Brethren and Scientology will be moving in next door. Oh hold on, this is RA not A Current Affair.

VYBerlinaV8_is_back 10:21 am 13 Nov 14

Masquara said :

Will this “private space for sports activities” run by a fundamentalist Christian school allow, say, gay sporting events?

Why don’t you just grab a burning torch and pitchfork and march on the place? Fundamentalist – ha!

Mysteryman 10:13 am 13 Nov 14

Masquara said :

Guess what? The application is for a building over 2,000 square metres in size. Just about the size of a goodly auditorium for a happy clappy religious service. Think a modest Hillsong venue, folks! I don’t think this has anything to do with sport.

Masquara said :

Will this “private space for sports activities” run by a fundamentalist Christian school allow, say, gay sporting events?

Your prejudice is showing.

I happen to know for a fact that the building has been designed as a sporting facility. So not only are your posts prejudiced, they’re misguided as well.

blatherer 8:22 am 13 Nov 14

This is not about the culture or idealogy of the school community. It’s about transparency and process.
It’s a DA submitted under a subterfuge, BCC have gone out of their way to make it appear they had nothing to do with it. (they didn’t even tell their own school community until yesterday, because they’re forced to go on the ‘goodwill’ offensive)
It’s listed as a Community Centre, when there are strong suspicions they have no intent to allow the community to use it.
It’s an educational facility, not allowed on PRZ1. (Or a child care facility , or a place of worship)
The only reason for the generosity of the carpark is because they are building on top of their current one – so it’s completely self interested.
The proposed outside courts aren’t to be sealed (so they don’t really exist)
Sure, there are some improvements made here, no doubt. But it’s entirely self serving and it’s been done under cloak and dagger, which means they have something to hide. Like the fact it’s not really a Community Centre.
Perhaps more extensions? Perhaps they want the whole oval? The question to ask is why so surreptitious and what are the future plans? And why didn’t they consult the community about whether we even want a centre?
The only consultation as per the DA was with themselves where they clearly try to intimate the idea was from TAMS, not them. Looks a bit suspicious no?

thatsnotme 10:16 pm 12 Nov 14

Masquara said :

Guess what? The application is for a building over 2,000 square metres in size. Just about the size of a goodly auditorium for a happy clappy religious service. Think a modest Hillsong venue, folks! I don’t think this has anything to do with sport.

Oh my god! It’s a conspiracy!

Well…until you bother to look at the plans (I assume you didn’t) and you see that the building is to be constructed into a number of different rooms, which are completely non-auditorium like. And that if they wanted to hold the services you mention, it’d make more sense to do it in the facilities they already have…

But sure, go ahead and get yourself in a lather over it!

justin heywood 9:48 pm 12 Nov 14

Masquara said :

Is there anything to stop them from using the space for loud Hillsong style religious “services”?…… Using “sport” as an excuse to create a venue for a large crowd looks to be something that might work. Maybe locals should suggest some clauses to prevent such.

Maybe it is just what it says on the tin, a community facility that can be used by the community. From the article, we’re getting a facility where there was none at no cost, it’s an award-winning design and a good use of the space.

Despite your claims, there is absolutely no evidence that it’s a back-door way to establish some ‘Hillsong style’ church there – and frankly, if the biggest worry is the sound of singing on a Sunday morning, I reckon we can live with it.

FlyingWombat 9:44 pm 12 Nov 14

Masquara said :

Guess what? The application is for a building over 2,000 square metres in size. Just about the size of a goodly auditorium for a happy clappy religious service. Think a modest Hillsong venue, folks! I don’t think this has anything to do with sport.

You’re probably right. A sports pavilion built next to a sports oval. Absolutely no connection. Either way, we should stop the project because it is funded by christians.

Masquara 7:53 pm 12 Nov 14

Will this “private space for sports activities” run by a fundamentalist Christian school allow, say, gay sporting events?

FlyingWombat 7:19 pm 12 Nov 14

Masquara said :

Is there anything to stop them from using the space for loud Hillsong style religious “services”? The Christian school in Dickson (not Darra, the little one) annoys the, er, Hell out of neighbours with a loud ecstatic song service every week. Using “sport” as an excuse to create a venue for a large crowd looks to be something that might work. Maybe locals should suggest some clauses to prevent such.

I think you mean Emmaus. I’ve never heard anything. I don’t think they even hold a regular assembly. Do they do something on the weekends? I thought they were hooked up with the church in Watson?

FlyingWombat 7:13 pm 12 Nov 14

Finally, Hillsong comes to Canberra!

blatherer 6:17 pm 12 Nov 14

Right you are Masquara.
This is a school extension proposed only by the school. Its masquerading as a Community Centre, only because thats the only way it will pass the legislation for open space zoning.
The DA already admits there is ‘limited’ use for public. I.e. none.
This serves noone other than BCC.
Nor will a building resolve maintenance issues on the grounds, if anything make it worse.
Btw ‘places of worship’ are also prohibited (along with school extensions), thus the ruse of a ‘Community Centre’.

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