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Motorcycle Lane Filtering, your opinion

By Sgt.Bungers 4 December 2008 111

As a motorcyclist, I lane filter.  I have ever since I got my motorcycle licence 3 years ago. 

So far, out of the hundreds of times I’ve filtered, I’ve had two people in cars visibly annoyed to the point where one driver deliberately tried to knock me off my bike, that matter was dealth with by the police.  The second incident occured two days ago, where the other driver began yelling out the window, horn blowing, then did his best to cut me off at a form one lane.  He then past me shaking his head.  I got behind him as I had to be in the lane he was now in, he clearly paniced possibly thinking I was trying to start something, swerved across two lanes of traffic, cutting off two vehicles, narrowly missed a bus pulling out of a bus stop.

As I understand the law, lane filtering is not illegal unless it’s done in a manner dangerous.  That said, there is no actual law governing lane filtering at all. 

Victoria tried to make an addition to the Australian Road Rules to make lane filtering illegal, however it was rejected by the other states.  Lane filtering at traffic lights is legal in many other countries, as it has benefits to traffic flow, especially where motorcycle usage is high.  When a motorcyclist is at the front of a queue at traffic lights, they’ll typically move away faster, thus letting more people get through a traffic light cycle.  As opposed to motorcyclists sitting in the queue and waiting for other vehicles in front to get up to speed

Personally, I only lane filter past stopped traffic, only in between traffic lanes, never in cycle lanes, and never at more than 10-20km/h depending on space.  If space between vehicles is tight, I’ll walk the bike through the queues of traffic to the stop line of the traffic lights.  I then watch the lights, and take off quickly.  Normally I’m through the intersection before most vehicles are even a third of the way through.  So, I win, as I get to the front of the queue and move away quicker.  The last vehicle through that traffic light cycle wins, as if I’d sat in the queue, my bike would’ve taken up the same amount of space as an additional car.

I’ve never hit another vehicle.

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NoImRight 2:44 pm 17 Feb 12

Took four years for that to sink in?

balloonatic 2:17 pm 17 Feb 12

GB said :

bigred said :

I really don’t understand the cause of this latest outbreak of venom

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I do enjoy the annoyed looks of the cardigan wearing falcodore/dunnydore pubes sparked because someone has gotten a break not available to them.

I think you answered your own question. You do it partly to annoy. They get annoyed. You enjoy the fact they are annoyed. They are annoyed at your smugness. … … … … … …

Motorcyclists are people. Drivers are people. Cyclists are people. Lets try and keep as many alive as possible, and lose the attitudes that make that less likely.

Respect and consideration, on all sides. Its not that hard.

Beautiful….

Another 50 comments if you’re not bored yet

http://the-riotact.com/motorcycle-awareness-improving-traffic-congestion/46343

GB 12:48 pm 06 Dec 08

bigred said :

I really don’t understand the cause of this latest outbreak of venom

……
I do enjoy the annoyed looks of the cardigan wearing falcodore/dunnydore pubes sparked because someone has gotten a break not available to them.

I think you answered your own question. You do it partly to annoy. They get annoyed. You enjoy the fact they are annoyed. They are annoyed at your smugness. … … … … … …

Motorcyclists are people. Drivers are people. Cyclists are people. Lets try and keep as many alive as possible, and lose the attitudes that make that less likely.

Respect and consideration, on all sides. Its not that hard.

GB 12:36 pm 06 Dec 08

Aeek@100

Aeek said :

I can find the National Road Rules but not the ACT Legislation.

I am not certain (and maybe a legal expert here can correct me) but my understanding is that the NRR are effectively incorporated as regulations in an ACT Act; and there are then ACT-specific regulations about definitions, offences and penalties. All of which makes it hard for the person on the street to get a definitive answer about any particular offence. But I believe that states have all agreed not to contradict the NRR, but may add additional restrictions.

deltarider 12:13 pm 06 Dec 08

i see it, as many others do i’m sure, as a safety thing. drivers tend to look for objects which are bigger than they are and which will do more damage to them. Therefore, they don’t look for the little motorcyclist which, if they’re coming up from behind, all they can see is a tyre, small number plate, and a back. if someone has just got up, are running late, and/or trying to have breakfast in the car? i don’t fancy my chances of not being run up the arse by some ridiculously oversized FWD with an unnecessary bull bar.

if i lanesplit, i get to the front of the lane where i don’t have to worry about being run into from behind and i get away from the rest of traffic and other numpty drivers at the higher speed i am capable of.

deltarider 11:59 am 06 Dec 08

“In England, it’s so common place that when car drivers do not leave enough room for motorcyclists to lane filter through stopped traffic, riders will fold in car mirrors to get past and make a point. Why do so many Australians have such a big problem with it?”

As I believe, you are actually required to filter to pass your motorcycle license in England.

I filter. i don’t lanesplit. if people have a problem with it *shrugs* chances are i’m not going to see them again.

bigred 7:01 am 06 Dec 08

I really don’t understand the cause of this latest outbreak of venom against people who might dare to do something a little bit different. I guess motorcyclists are easier game in the bile and vitriol stakes than cyclists because they are not as organized or vocal.

I drive a car. I ride a motorbike or two – used bikes don’t really attract much resale so its not worth the effort trying to sell one. Guess that means I pay at least 3 vehicle regos so pay more than my fair share in fixed costs to use the roads. Use the bicycle a fair bit too, but no one in government will give me a refund on my unused rego fee etc for the time the fleet is stationary. So much for policies to encourage clean green practice!

Getting back to the discussion about filtering. If a line of vehicles is stationary and the lights are not about to change and only if there is enough room for a clear run to the front do I attempt to ride my large at around 300 kg machine down the gap. I then plant myself in front of what I judge to be the slowest vehicle off the line – the crappy excel, mazda bubble etc. If one anticipates the lights well, using the superior view one has from such a high perch, the clutch should be at friction point the moment the green comes on. It generally means you are across the intersection before cage occupant has commenced rolling (well close anyway). I do enjoy the annoyed looks of the cardigan wearing falcodore/dunnydore pubes sparked because someone has gotten a break not available to them.

The worst are those drivers who see the rider between lanes and although stationary still move their car to block progress. That is the equivalent of assault by anal retention and deserves any response they get. My favourite response is to make a threatening gesture to them from within the safety of my bike gear. Helmet visor down and laughing at the timidity then shown – gutless clowns. Riding a bike one cannot lose it because that is how one gets hurt.

So, until its clearly outlawed I will continue to lane filter- its worth 5 or 10 minutes while crossing the inner north traffic imbroglio that was promised to be cleared by the road to nowhere aka GDE.

corvus2606 2:54 am 06 Dec 08

jakez said :

From memory, in my course I believe the instructor said it was illegal (got L’s 2 years ago).

I ride and drive. Personally I think it would have to be a very special situation for me to lane split. Really really really slow moving traffic backed up for ages. I’ve never done it and it scares me.

As a driver I see motorcyclists do it and my opinion varies. If they are being safe (as can be), there is no movement in traffic, and they don’t bully, then fair enough.

If they are acting like a bloody idiot zigging and zagging, I fear for their safety.

I think youll find what they said was that it is ilegal until the other vehicle is stationary, in which case you can move past as long as you stay within your lane.

that sounds remarkably like filtering doesnt it???

and as far as passing on the left goes, that only really applies in canberra if the speed limit is above 80, below 80, and anything goes in any lane(unfortunately)
i ride to work every day, and the only danger i face is some idiot in a car who thinks its more important that he gets to work before i do, than me getting to work alive, getting cut off in canberra is all too common, and everyone who has commented on bikes being dangerous because cars dont look for them are perfect examples of what is wrong with canberra’s drivers.

i split because in some cases, particularly hot days, and at a certain roundabout, where traffic backs up quite a fair way, my bike gets hot, and i dont mean warm, i mean overheating, not a mechanical or design fault, but because it doesnt have a constantly running fan to keep air moving on the radiator, and when the fan does kick in, all it gets if hot exhaust from the car in front.

Car drivers need to look for bikes, ALWAYS. doesnt matter what your doing, look, head check, like your supposed to, and consider that if you hit a bike, its on your concience for the rest of your life if you severely injure, or kill a rider(we are people too).

Yes we look out too, because most car drivers dont know what look means, they think a quick glance at their mirrors will give them an intimate knowledge of what is happening around their car. and its a load of crap.

Filtering is fine, if done responsibly, its not dangerous, and if a car doesnt notice a bike sitting next to them at the lights, they shouldnt be driving!

scooter riders on the other hand, should consider the dangers they face on the roads, and that a 50cc engine is not a commuter bike, you can get more power from a small electric motor. not to mention the complete lack of protective gear most scooter riders wear. a mini skirt, heels, blouse, and open face helmet, is not safety gear, it will tear to shreds, and you will be left without clothes on, and no face to speak of. Yes, i know im generalising here, but i see it far too often

harley 1:13 am 06 Dec 08

imarty said :

Not fussed on what it’s called but I’d call this particular incident I witnessed stupidity.

I think we agree on that. “stupid” is now also a verb.

as in:

“… & I spot a motorbike stupiding down the inside heading down Corinna towards Callum.”

works for me…

staria 12:40 am 06 Dec 08

Motorcyclists are consistently complaining about how car drivers don’t see them, so I don’t know how they can feel that statement is justified if they then deliberately put themselves into dangerous positions

This kinda sums it up for me. However experienced, alert and talented (for want of a better word) a driver or a rider is, unexpected things happen all the time. Opening a car door while the car has stopped at the lights? Maybe something is caught in the door. A rider misjudging the amount of time they have to filter past 5 cars, and they don’t make it in time? Entirely possible (and has happened – very annoying and it holds up traffic). Like anything, a bit of commonsense helps. Especially when it’s combined with courtesy for other motorists.

Off topic a bit… How good is it when you see a car or bike swerving through all the traffic to “get ahead”, and then you pull up next to them at the lights after staying in the same lane. Well, it’s good except for the dickhead dangerous part. Seriously, people should just take a chill pill, drive to the limit/conditions, pay attention for the unexpected, and take it easy. Everyone would arrive at their destinations a lot quicker I think.

imarty 11:37 pm 05 Dec 08

harvyk1: Yep, the driver turning right, (re post 87, don’t know how to do the italics thingy) in my opinion could’ve seen the rider but was also not expected to expect another vehicle to be coming along a single lane rd when traffic is at a stand still and a gap left so they can turn.
harley: I was using the term originally referred to in the OP but they were passing (undertaking) on the inside and didn’t take caution when crossing an intersection.
Not fussed on what it’s called but I’d call this particular incident I witnessed stupidity.

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