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NBN not as expected

By ozdownunder - 4 December 2014 50

Really disappointed that Nicholls still does not have NBN in the making, does anyone know when this will happen?

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NBN not as expected
JC 11:23 am 05 Dec 14

carrob said :

I live in Nicholls and my street had NBN installed over 12 months ago.

You must live on the small strip on the east side of the lake opposite Casey and Palmerston as that is the only part to have it thus far.

JC 11:22 am 05 Dec 14

gazket said :

Masquara said :

The maps have changed. Inner north was going to have the NBN well under way by 2016 according to the maps early last year or possibly the year before. FAIL!

The maps the Labor party had listed were fake, They had Kambah listed as started 18 months ago but in reality the NBN truck just drove through Tuggeranong .

No they were quite accurate and the description of work started was also quite clear. Work started included surveying existing infrastructure, issuing build contracts etc. It also included building the FSA in the exchange and connecting it back to the POI. Or are you saying that this is not work because it cannot be seen?

As for Kambah, like some other areas on the 1 year plan don’t recall it every actually going into build.

The only 1 year plan site that did go to build was the Belconnen FSA and Civic. The rest got mothballed post the election.

Belconnen and Civic both got halted after the election except for greenfields apartment buildings.

JC 11:16 am 05 Dec 14

Mysteryman said :

The NBN itself is not a waste of money, but the Labor government certainly wasted a lot of money on it with very little to show. The project was going way over budget, and behind schedule, like nearly everything that Labor government put its hand to.

Spoken by someone who has never worked on a major project of any kind and someone who believe what Malcom Turbull and Tony Abbott tell them.

Firstly yeah lots of money was spent with little to show. Is that bad? Well not necessarily any major project needs to go through a design, procurement and ramp up stage, where the costs may well show little delivery for the money invested. But all that was done by the time the Liebrals came into power. They had reviewed process, reviewed design and reviewed the rollout and had made adjucents to go into full rollout. They had rollout out the point of interconnect infrastructure and all the back end gear, again takes time with little to show out on the street.

But if that is your yard stick you could accuse the Liebrals of the same. Since getting into power very little has been done out on the street but money has continued to be spent has it not? Why, whilst NBN spends time and more money on redesigning the network and negotiating with Telstra to deliver what will be an inferior end product. But guess in your books that is ok?

PS what was the last major project the Federal Liebral party has delivered? Abbott nothing, but won’t blame him bit hard to do that in 1 1/4 years. During the Howard years, hmmm, ummm cannot think of much really. In fact he spent money on bribing the electorate with tax cuts rather than building anything in the form of infrastructure, no wonder when Labor gets into power they have to spend to get us back on an even keel.

Mysteryman 8:12 am 05 Dec 14

watto23 said :

As for those who say its a waste of money, I fail to see how it is even close to a waste of money. I can list a lot of things government spend money on that a genuinely a waste…

Like the $40 billion stimulus package that didn’t stimulate anything?

The NBN itself is not a waste of money, but the Labor government certainly wasted a lot of money on it with very little to show. The project was going way over budget, and behind schedule, like nearly everything that Labor government put its hand to.

Now we’re in a situation where the nation is paying a billion dollars a week in interest alone on debt, and still trying to complete a major infrastructure project that was poorly planned an implemented from the beginning, without flushing even more money down the toilet. I hope it moves along quickly and we all get faster internet so we can pirate The Walking Dead and GoT faster (let’s be real – 98% of the NBNs usage will be for things like this) but there’s a huge mess to clean up still.

carrob 7:43 am 05 Dec 14

I live in Nicholls and my street had NBN installed over 12 months ago.

JC 11:59 pm 04 Dec 14

arescarti42 said :

My understanding is that areas that are already in the advanced stage of the FTTP rollout will have it installed, and new builds will most likely be installed with FTTP from the outset.

Everywhere else will get the greatly inferior fibre to the node technology at some point in the future.

I can’t see any new areas in Canberra on the current NBN rollout map, and as a safe Labor seat, I imagine the ACT will now be very close to the bottom of the rollout list.

Half wrong. Announced this week was the addition of 4 fibre service areas in Canberra to the list totally nearly 60,000 homes to be done by June 2016. See my post above. Though as I mentioned they don’t appear on the official NBN map yet, they said it will take a few weeks.

See the list in the link below

http://www.nbnco.com.au/content/dam/nbnco2/documents/MTM-rollout-plan-01122014.pdf

As for technology your right in the most part it will be FTTN, yet the announcement said the rest of Crace area will be FTTH/FTTP and if you read the network design principles it does say the technology installed will depend upon a number of factors include what is in and around an area. I gather this is why the remainder of Crace FSA will be FTTN. But for example parts of the west Macgregor development have FTTN, so maybe the rest of the (new part) suburb will too. Other areas all depends on what is easier.

The only interesting thing the design principles document talks about using Telstra and Optus cable networks, but makes no specific mention of other cable networks like Transact which is in the parts of the ACT. Odd as Transact is VDSL, which is essentially the same technology as NBN plan to use in their FTTN solution. So by all rights where Transact cable is there already have compatible technology that just needs to be integrated into the NBN back end. That said NBN doesn’t own Transact, they only purchased the Transact fibre network. But seems odd to build FTTN in these areas when it is already there, and besides the Transact copper is newer and presumably in better condition that the Telstra copper, which in these areas is on the power poles. Of course this may well be the plan.

ozdownunder 11:42 pm 04 Dec 14

Thanks for the updates, I would have to put up with the ADSL2+ dropouts.

JC 11:42 pm 04 Dec 14

OP think you will find that the 1300 homes slatted for Crace is actually Nicholls. The name on the NBN press releases relates to the NBN fibre service area (FSA) and I cannot think of anywhere serviced by Crace that is not already on NBN except Nicholls. Though the count of 1300 is about 1000 short for the number of homes in Nicholls. Also good news if it is because the rest of Crace was confirmed as fibre to the home.

Before anyone says Kaleen and Girlang are also on Crace, should point out that for Telstra phone services yes, but for NBN they are off the Belconnen FSA. In the same vain when they have announced Scullin, Scullin FSA includes the Telstra exchange services currently covered by the Scullin and Melba telephone exchanges. A few other parts of Canberra have one NBN FSA covering multiple Telstra exchange areas.

As to the plan announced this week all the areas (except for Belconnen FSA) are the ones on the 1 year plan prior to the last election. So in terms of order it seems like they are still going ahead in the same order. Just a few years later and potentially, more than likely actually with an inferior technology.

As for Belconnen not sure what has happened there because construction had started prior to the election, but it has completely dropped off. My guess is because design was so advanced and build had physically started in a few areas it will still go ahead but they are finalising the contracts.

So the areas of Canberra not already covered or covered by the announcement this week, is:

Belconnen FSA: Everything in Belco east of Coulter Drive and William Slim Drives.
Deakin FSA: Essentially Woden and Weston Creek
Manuka FSA: The inner south
Monash Exchange: Tuggernong south of Erindale Drive.

All the areas added above were on the 3 year plan before.

The ones added this week:

Scullin: Covers Scullin and Melba Telstra exchange areas, eg everything west of William Slim Drive and Coulter Drives. The technology is mixed, meaning FTTH and FTTN, but more than likley FTTN.

Crace. Basically everything in Gungahlin except the newer suburbs like Casey, Bonner, Forde etc. As mentioned all that is left is essentially Nicholls. Technology FTTN

Civic: The inner north of Canberra east of Gungahlin Drive. Technology mixed. Also parts of this FSA are in heritage areas and had development applications submitted a month or so back.

Kambah: The parts of Tuggernaong north of Erindale Drive. Technology mixed.

A good website to check the progress and which suburbs in are in which exchange area is called mynbn.info

This link is for those FSA’s off the Civic point of interconnect:

http://www.mynbn.info/poi/9CVI

This one is for QBN point of interconnect:

http://www.mynbn.info/poi/9QBN

Click on each FSA to see the suburbs that will be serviced by that FSA and any current activated areas and planned. That said the suburbs listed this week are not on there yet, nor on the NBN website.

gazket 11:28 pm 04 Dec 14

Masquara said :

The maps have changed. Inner north was going to have the NBN well under way by 2016 according to the maps early last year or possibly the year before. FAIL!

The maps the Labor party had listed were fake, They had Kambah listed as started 18 months ago but in reality the NBN truck just drove through Tuggeranong .

arescarti42 10:08 pm 04 Dec 14

My understanding is that areas that are already in the advanced stage of the FTTP rollout will have it installed, and new builds will most likely be installed with FTTP from the outset.

Everywhere else will get the greatly inferior fibre to the node technology at some point in the future.

I can’t see any new areas in Canberra on the current NBN rollout map, and as a safe Labor seat, I imagine the ACT will now be very close to the bottom of the rollout list.

dkNigs 7:55 pm 04 Dec 14

Try having them run NBN past your door, being scheduled for immediately after the last election, then LNP drawing it out excessively along with ADSL speed HALVING after they ran NBN 🙁

Masquara 7:01 pm 04 Dec 14

The maps have changed. Inner north was going to have the NBN well under way by 2016 according to the maps early last year or possibly the year before. FAIL!

wildturkeycanoe 5:58 pm 04 Dec 14

Stuff Nicholls, what about the promise that other suburbs would have it by next year but now aren’t even listed as being started yet? The whole debacle is a total sham. Liberal party has a lot to answer for, but they wanted all of us to live in the dark and only listen to Tony and what he believes, so it ain’t no surprise.

watto23 4:45 pm 04 Dec 14

NBNco have been scant on details since the election and change in plan. Apparently there are 1300 premises in Crace and surrounds due to get FTTP in the next 18 months. Unsure if this includes Nicholls.

The politics of the coalition have really ruined what was a create project for the nation. By all means Labor wasn’t handling the project very well, so it was a prime opportunity for the “Infrastructure Prime Minister” to roll out the network in a much more efficient matter. Instead its not rolling out any quicker, they are using obsolete technology to meet a conservative projection and basically passing the buck to another government in the future to deal with. The fact it would benefit many of its rural voters and business seems to be ignored.

As for those who say its a waste of money, I fail to see how it is even close to a waste of money. I can list a lot of things government spend money on that a genuinely a waste, the NBN is not one of them.

janoski 3:17 pm 04 Dec 14

Magic 8 ball says – cannot predict now

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