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Pedestrian punch up

By johnboy 2 November 2013 22

ACT Policing has arrested a 28-year-old Yarralumla man after he allegedly assaulted a man at an intersection in the city last night (Friday, November 1).

Around 11.50pm police were conducting mobile patrols along London Circuit (Civic) when they noticed a large group crossing the intersection against the red pedestrian signal. Vehicles were attempting to drive through the intersection along Northbourne Avenue but were forced to stop as the group impeded their way.

A male passenger of one vehicle beeped the horn at the group directing them to move out of the way. The offender then gestured for a fight. The victim exited his vehicle, with the intentions of negotiating with the man. The offender has then allegedly struck the victim in his face.

Police immediately entered the intersection and separated both parties. Police arrested the alleged offender who was taken to the ACT Watch House where he was charged with common assault and crossing when a pedestrian light is not green.

He was bailed from the Watch House to appear before the ACT Magistrates Court on November 12.

Anyone who witnessed the disturbance and is yet to speak to police is asked to contact Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000 or www.act.crimestoppers.com.au. Information can be provided anonymously.

[Courtesy ACT Policing]


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Darkfalz 8:32 am 04 Nov 13

Civic used to be a no-go zone after 1-2 AM. It seems that time creeps forward every year. Seems already overrun by seedy types at 10 PM these days.

Pork Hunt 9:21 pm 03 Nov 13

tuco said :

EvanJames said :

What is the “gesture for a fight”? and as for the passenger getting out to negotiate after that, ha, yeah right. Negotiate.

Waddayoulookinat?

Waddayoulookinatyafukkincarnt? I’d say.

muscledude_oz 5:04 pm 03 Nov 13

tuco said :

EvanJames said :

What is the “gesture for a fight”? and as for the passenger getting out to negotiate after that, ha, yeah right. Negotiate.

Waddayoulookinat?

The bodybuilder’s version – “Are you looking at me? Good.”

Henry82 3:58 pm 03 Nov 13

c_c™ said :

And they never do anything about the illegal road crossers on Northbourne, nor do most pedestrians seem to mind crossing illegally when theres a cop car at the intersection.

I’ve seen some people get fines on the northborne and city circle intersection outside the melbourne building. Turns out if you’re drunk, nearly get hit by a car in-front of police, you can get fined.

This was a few years ago

c_c™ 3:10 pm 03 Nov 13

CraigT said :

screaming banshee said :

Given the level of po-talk in the release and the immediate intervention one must assume the police were just sitting there watching until the punch was thrown.

Yes. Due to police inactivity, people have got so used to breaking small laws without ever having to take reponsibility for it, that they move on to breaking bigger laws.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_windows_theory

“The theory states that maintaining and monitoring urban environments in a well-ordered condition may stop further vandalism and escalation into more serious crime.”

If the police ruthlessly booked everybody who drives around with their foglights on, or crossed the road against the red light, then all of our society would become much better behaved. POeople would get the feeling that their actions would have actual consequences, and thus they would think a bit more about their actions and end up behaving better.

ACT Policing are very lazy in that regard, they seem to ignore a lot of stuff that doesn’t get ignore by NSW Police. Driving through the Sydney CBD, I was surprised how many officers they had in vehicles, on motorcycles and even on foot pulling pedestrians and drivers up for offences, even if it meant blocking traffic for a few minutes. Here, the Police were right opposite someone who sped into an intersection and slammed on the breaks when they realised it was red, cops did nothing. And they never do anything about the illegal road crossers on Northbourne, nor do most pedestrians seem to mind crossing illegally when theres a cop car at the intersection.

CraigT 12:59 pm 03 Nov 13

screaming banshee said :

Given the level of po-talk in the release and the immediate intervention one must assume the police were just sitting there watching until the punch was thrown.

Yes. Due to police inactivity, people have got so used to breaking small laws without ever having to take reponsibility for it, that they move on to breaking bigger laws.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_windows_theory

“The theory states that maintaining and monitoring urban environments in a well-ordered condition may stop further vandalism and escalation into more serious crime.”

If the police ruthlessly booked everybody who drives around with their foglights on, or crossed the road against the red light, then all of our society would become much better behaved. POeople would get the feeling that their actions would have actual consequences, and thus they would think a bit more about their actions and end up behaving better.

tuco 6:42 am 03 Nov 13

EvanJames said :

What is the “gesture for a fight”? and as for the passenger getting out to negotiate after that, ha, yeah right. Negotiate.

Waddayoulookinat?

EvanJames 11:06 pm 02 Nov 13

What is the “gesture for a fight”? and as for the passenger getting out to negotiate after that, ha, yeah right. Negotiate.

Tooks 7:46 pm 02 Nov 13

Pork Hunt said :

Henry82 said :

c_c™ said :

um, negotiate what? Sell him a good deal on time-shares? Stupidest thing you can do, even if the other guy wasn’t, as he presumably was, drunk and dumb.

Might have wanted to politely ask for the guy to move. Particular if the guy was just standing there waiting for a response.

Also, from my understanding, you never want to be caught inside the car when attacked. You’re trapped in, seated, wedged in by a steering wheel etc.

As this video shows…

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xJ9Bqmzax4U

haha, how’s big Dazza’s commentary? He must’ve nearly had a heart attack every time he went to work.

Tooks 7:41 pm 02 Nov 13

Henry82 said :

Tooks said :

But you could drive off.

through the crowd of people standing in front of the car?

I get the impression that the drunks wandered across the road without looking, were honked, blocked the road and said ‘what are u gonna do about it’, guy gets out asking them to get off the road, fight starts. All with the Police watching at a distance.

I wasn’t there, but that would be my best guess on how it went down.

Yes but he was talking in general about being attacked while sitting in your car. Wasn’t commenting on this case in particular.

Going by the time of the incident I’d say city beats were out and about and were in the right place at the right time.

markbuzz 7:25 pm 02 Nov 13

Henry82 said :

Also, from my understanding, you never want to be caught inside the car when attacked. You’re trapped in, seated, wedged in by a steering wheel etc.

I’d suggest it could be much safer in the car providing you lock the doors and the windows are up . The transition through the door of the car is the most dangerous as the door can be pushed closed onto your legs, arms, head, neck etc and once you are caught there it can be repeatedly slammed onto you. You could say that there is a risk of windows being smashed and then being assaulted in situ, but if that is likely then an absolute pasting would probably have happened outside of the car. If you get out and start punching on it is a stretch to claim self defence. The police-speak report did say there was a large crowd – getting out to remonstrate with them is almost begging for a sucker punch from behind.

Henry82 7:16 pm 02 Nov 13

Tooks said :

But you could drive off.

through the crowd of people standing in front of the car?

I get the impression that the drunks wandered across the road without looking, were honked, blocked the road and said ‘what are u gonna do about it’, guy gets out asking them to get off the road, fight starts. All with the Police watching at a distance.

I wasn’t there, but that would be my best guess on how it went down.

c_c™ 6:45 pm 02 Nov 13

Pork Hunt said :

Henry82 said :

c_c™ said :

um, negotiate what? Sell him a good deal on time-shares? Stupidest thing you can do, even if the other guy wasn’t, as he presumably was, drunk and dumb.

Might have wanted to politely ask for the guy to move. Particular if the guy was just standing there waiting for a response.

Also, from my understanding, you never want to be caught inside the car when attacked. You’re trapped in, seated, wedged in by a steering wheel etc.

As this video shows…

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xJ9Bqmzax4U

ha, ordinarily you’d keep your window up, though I suppose between the Nomex suit and the helmet he didn’t feel any pressing need to.

Pork Hunt 6:23 pm 02 Nov 13

Henry82 said :

c_c™ said :

um, negotiate what? Sell him a good deal on time-shares? Stupidest thing you can do, even if the other guy wasn’t, as he presumably was, drunk and dumb.

Might have wanted to politely ask for the guy to move. Particular if the guy was just standing there waiting for a response.

Also, from my understanding, you never want to be caught inside the car when attacked. You’re trapped in, seated, wedged in by a steering wheel etc.

As this video shows…

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xJ9Bqmzax4U

screaming banshee 5:11 pm 02 Nov 13

Given the level of po-talk in the release and the immediate intervention one must assume the police were just sitting there watching until the punch was thrown.

Roundhead89 5:04 pm 02 Nov 13

Brings to mind the question in the exam when I applied for my learner’s permit in the 1980s. The scenario was what you should do when approaching a pedestrian crossing with several pedestrians crossing the road. I picked A – Stop and wait until all pedestrians have cleared the crossing. Answer D was: Slow down and ease your way through the pedestrians. Sounds like the drivers in this example should have missed out on the “slow down” and “ease your way through” bit.

Tooks 4:57 pm 02 Nov 13

Henry82 said :

c_c™ said :

um, negotiate what? Sell him a good deal on time-shares? Stupidest thing you can do, even if the other guy wasn’t, as he presumably was, drunk and dumb.

Might have wanted to politely ask for the guy to move. Particular if the guy was just standing there waiting for a response.

Also, from my understanding, you never want to be caught inside the car when attacked. You’re trapped in, seated, wedged in by a steering wheel etc.

But you could drive off.

Henry82 4:47 pm 02 Nov 13

c_c™ said :

um, negotiate what? Sell him a good deal on time-shares? Stupidest thing you can do, even if the other guy wasn’t, as he presumably was, drunk and dumb.

Might have wanted to politely ask for the guy to move. Particular if the guy was just standing there waiting for a response.

Also, from my understanding, you never want to be caught inside the car when attacked. You’re trapped in, seated, wedged in by a steering wheel etc.

steveu 4:41 pm 02 Nov 13

c_c™ said :

“The victim exited his vehicle, with the intentions of negotiating with the man.”

um, negotiate what? Sell him a good deal on time-shares? Stupidest thing you can do, even if the other guy wasn’t, as he presumably was, drunk and dumb.

Agreed. lock doors, ignore. Get out in response to confrontation, dont cry cos he got the punch in before you.

And yep Markbuzz, with you on that too.

markbuzz 4:03 pm 02 Nov 13

Sounds like the sort of statement the defence counsel would tender in court, not the police.

Impressed he got booked for J walking as well.

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