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Point Hut closed – Tharwa F**ked

Ntp 2 July 2007 30

Over on Youtube mddawson1 has posted some footage of the closure of Point Hut crossing over the last few days due to flooding. It’s only a minor flood but mddawson1 makes some interesting and valid observations which I’ve added along with the footage:

“Due to the rain & snow the Canberra region has recieved over the past week, the Murrumbidgee River in south Canberra has flooded the Point Hut crossing. This was a minor flood but it has caused the crossing to be closed to traffic for 2 days.

The residents of Tharwa who previously had a 5km trip to Canberra until the closure of Tharwa Bridge in sept 2006 have been travelling 15km through Point Hut crossing since then. Due to the crossing being flooded they now have to travel 40km through Cotter to get to Canberra.

NOTE: Apologies for the overly dramatic music in the clip – I love Sculthorpe’s music & I have been wanting to use some for a while now. Also apologies for all the typos – the footy on TV was calling me & I neglected to proof read what I had typed.”

Footage below…


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Maybe those lazy Revolve pricks could use all their leftover broken lamps and bicycle bits and make a bridge for the Tharwans.

Thumper 1:24 pm 04 Jul 07

I am well aware of the tender process Sammy although I have nothing to do with them these days.

I’m actually amazed that it wasn’t muted ages ago when the bridge was declared US and as you said, if there already exists approved plans then the whole thing should take no time at all.

Maelinar 1:23 pm 04 Jul 07

Why can’t some backyard blokes from Tharwa go out and knock themselves up a bridge then if they want it so much ?

Oh that’s right, the Government should pay for it.

As an alternative, an entrepreneurial Canberra/Tharwa organisation could install a pontoon, if it was too unsteady to carry vehicles, alternative arrangements could be made to provide a vehicle for use in Canberra (discounted rate from Thrifty etc), for excursions into the big city.

The only incompetence I see here is the ability of the Tharwa community to impress upon the Government that their situation is more dire than an Al Grasby statue or an Arboretum, which really does smack of a bunch of whingers with no real problem.

Sammy 1:02 pm 04 Jul 07

And i’m not sure, but I vaguely remember hearing that approved plans already exist? That speeds things up a bit.

Sammy 1:01 pm 04 Jul 07

I would have thought one could have been built quicker than a year

Unfortunately, unlike most backyard pergola building exercises, it’s not just a matter of some blokes turning up with tools and materials, and knocking up a bridge.

Lets scratch-out a rough process:

1. Tenders for design circulated
2. Tender process performed & awarded
3. Winning tenderer performs surveys, and completes a draft design
4. Design circulated, with the usual rounds of changes, possibly involving re-surveying etc.
5. Design finally approved, and submitted for planning approval.
6. The planning process then takes a few months.
7. If they’re lucky, plans are approved without change. If not, go back to step 4 and repeat.
8. Tenders circulated for construction
9. Tender process blah blah
10. Tender for construction awarded
11. Construction commences within a few months (hopefully)

This is probably close to worst case scenario.

Thumper 12:27 pm 04 Jul 07

Yeah, I believe so Caf.

I’d like to see the old bridge fixed but it would appear that the previous reconstruction, which was substandard, has ensured that it has decayed moreso to the point of being US for the rest of it’s life. I do believe that was the current government that stuffed up there.

Sad fact that we can’t, or haven’t, looked after something culturally, historically and socially significant. that’s why I believe it should remain there.

Having said that, the residents of Tharwa certainly need a bridge. Although I’m no expert in bridge building I would have thought one could have been built quicker than a year.

At least the money is there for it.

Any bridge experts out there?

caf 12:12 pm 04 Jul 07

From the Stateline transcript it seems that the bridge is expected to be completed by October 2008.

Thumper 11:52 am 04 Jul 07

Pandy,

“BTW the bridge in Gundagi is closed to all traffic.”

Ah yeah, I am well aware that the Prince Albert (?) bridge is now closed. It has been for years.

point is, it is still there.

Ntp 11:46 am 04 Jul 07

Not true diprotodon;

ABC Australia wide & Stateline

diprotodon 11:36 am 04 Jul 07

I heard that the army had offered to build a temporary bridge until Stanhopeless and Hargreaves could get the shit together, but Stanhope refused. What concerns me most is that ABC TV and the Canberra Times have refused to run anything on this issue – even a letter I wrote to the editor.

Word has it that there’s 10 mil in cash hidden in the crotch of the Al Grassby statue.

sepi 8:33 pm 03 Jul 07

I’m sick of studies and working parties too.

And when they just do what they want anyway it is even more annoying (hospital parking the study they paid for recommended against the ticket machines).

The opposition should add up how much has been spent on these studies.

Pandy 4:46 pm 03 Jul 07

errr, $10 million does not grow on trees. In the meantime the study have shown the bridge has had it.

BTW the bridge in Gundagi is closed to all traffic.

Thumper 1:10 pm 03 Jul 07

It’s fine to just leave the old bridge. Gundagai has the longest wooden bridge in Australia and it’s still there even though dating from the 1860s (I think, correct me if i’m wrong)

Looks quite impressive as it stretches out across the floodplain.

Kramer 1:00 pm 03 Jul 07

“My suggestion, demolish the existing wooden bridge. Build a steel and concrete replacement that looks as close as possible to the existing one.”

Sounds like a great idea, but the heritage nazis have already started the battle to save and restore the 1895 constructed bridge (apparently the oldest bridge in the ACT). So in addition to constructing a new bridge the road will have to be realigned – adding to the time required to reopen the road.

Thumper 12:58 pm 03 Jul 07

It’s good to see that money has been allocated for a new bridge, after all, it is a core function of government to provide as such.

However, it has seemed to have taken an inordinate amount of time to even consider doing anything at all.

Nemo 12:55 pm 03 Jul 07

Pandy – if you are correct in assuming the Govt is broke, then spending $11 Mill on a glassworks (for example) would be negligent.
I’d like to know how many “studies” the govt has commissioned in the last 5 years. Every time Katy Gallagher is interviewed she talks about developing a “plan”.
It’s the same with the water crisis – we currently have the water2water proposal, 2 years ago we had a future options study – nothing concrete happens at the end of these studies.

It’s time to stop planning and start doing.

asp 12:48 pm 03 Jul 07

Yes, bridges are meant to creak and move to a certain extent. Just stand on the covered walkway from the Neptune St carpark into David Jones in Woden and you can feel it move and hear it creak a bit.

However, that is a steel, post stressed-pre tensioned bridge that has only two anchor points, one at each end. The Thawra Bridge on the otherhand has multiple supports underneath, that go into the river bed. Aside from the movements and sounds being far more significant than the smaller bridge in Woden, a plank of wood fell into the river when the rider went over the bridge.

I would also add that the previous time they closed it, they allowed pedestrian and cycle access. Now there is no way to cycle across or even to walk easily. If they don’t want even bikes and walkers going over it, what hope is there for vehicle trafic.

My suggestion, demolish the existing wooden bridge. Build a steel and concrete replacement that looks as close as possible to the existing one.

Sammy 9:07 am 03 Jul 07

I agree that the Tharwa residents had it tough while Point Hut Crossing (PHC) was closed last week.

However, lets get something cleared up. The diversion via PHC is not quite what is claimed.

A trip from Tharwa to Conder shops, the location of the nearest Woolworths, via the Tharwa Bridge is 7.2 km (map).

The same trip via PHC is 13.4 km (map).

While it suits the Tharwa residents arguments to round the 7.2 down to 5, and the 13.4 up to 15, it is not a true reflection of the issue.

Danman 7:12 am 03 Jul 07

The idea is for bridges to creak and move.

If they were rigid they would fail straigth away.

In saying so – keep the bridge for historical reasons – and build low level bridge – lower than present – highter than point hut….

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