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Pokies trial in Canberra …

By I-filed - 23 January 2012 53

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With Quangers nearby ‘n all … interested to hear Rioters’ prescient thoughts on how it’s likely to go.

ED – Chief Minister Gallagher has welcomed the trial:

The ACT Government welcomes the Federal Government’s plan to tackle problem gambling which was announced on Saturday.

As part of the plan the Commonwealth has indicated its desire to hold a trial of mandatory pre-commitment in the ACT.

“The ACT Government will actively participate in a trial of mandatory pre-commitment if the Commonwealth Government and the clubs sector here in the ACT are able to reach agreement on the terms of a trial,” Chief Minister Katy Gallagher said.

“The details of the trial offer released yesterday clearly indicates that this is a serious offer from the Commonwealth and one which I am sure Clubs ACT and the broader club sector will consider carefully.

“If the trial proceeds in the ACT it will be important that the ACT Budget is not adversely affected. The ACT Government will continue to talk to the Commonwealth Government about how this will be achieved.

“We are strongly supportive of the overall plan outlined by the Commonwealth which is aimed at tackling problem gambling in the community,” the Chief Minister said.

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Pokies trial in Canberra …
Erg0 12:14 pm 23 Jan 12

Honestly, if we’re at a point where something as (relatively) trivial as poker machine reform needs to be “taken to an election” then we might as well just pull up stumps on democracy and start looking for a good benevolent dictator.

dvaey 12:12 pm 23 Jan 12

Maybe Ive been living under a rock, but what is this pokie trial?

None of the linked articles seem to explain much other than “Commonwealth has indicated its desire to hold a trial of mandatory pre-commitment “.. and a whole lot of other buzzwords

Jethro 12:07 pm 23 Jan 12

chewy14 said :

Jethro said :

This whole thing is a victory for the interests of a greedy and vocal minority. The pokie reforms were never going to destroy the industry or local communities, just maybe limit their profits from people losing more than they can afford.

So clubs are a greedy and vocal minority?
Remind me how many parties ran on a pokie reform platform at the last election and how many votes they got?

“greedy” – putting your interests ahead of others – Check
“vocal” – loud – Check
“minority” – not representative of the majority – check (about 75% of people surveyed support some sort of reform on the matter)

I accept your point about it not being taken to an election, but considering the wide-spread support I don’t think it’s enough reason to counter my statement that a greedy and vocal minority won out over a common sense approach to something that causes massive social harm.

pikiran_keruh 11:50 am 23 Jan 12

Can’t help but comment……
I lived in Scotland during the Thatcher years when they introduced the Poll Tax. It was trialled in Scotland…reason being…no-one voted Tory so it couldn’t hurt their electoral chances
Deja Vu … Gillard will introduce ‘pokie reforms’ in the ACT as we are not a marginal electorate … will have no effect on her re-election chances regardless of the outcome
However, Thatcher ignored the protests and it was only abolished once the rest of the UK took to the streets

Deref 11:41 am 23 Jan 12

That’s another half a million voters who’ll desert the federal Laboral Party at the next election.

chewy14 11:35 am 23 Jan 12

Jethro said :

This whole thing is a victory for the interests of a greedy and vocal minority. The pokie reforms were never going to destroy the industry or local communities, just maybe limit their profits from people losing more than they can afford.

So clubs are a greedy and vocal minority?
Remind me how many parties ran on a pokie reform platform at the last election and how many votes they got?

Rollersk8r 11:08 am 23 Jan 12

I don’t know how anyone could be anything but cynical about this… and how much more cynical the rest of Australia would be if it realised how dominant clubs are in the ACT.

Jethro 10:54 am 23 Jan 12

The Queanbeyan comment in the OP is very valid. The ACT is tiny geographically, so problem gamblers who reach their limit and want to keep on gambling are only minutes away from a jurisdiction where they don’t need to worry about the limit.

This whole thing is a victory for the interests of a greedy and vocal minority. The pokie reforms were never going to destroy the industry or local communities, just maybe limit their profits from people losing more than they can afford.

dungfungus 10:47 am 23 Jan 12

chewy14 said :

Holden Caulfield said :

“The ACT Government will actively participate in a trial of mandatory pre-commitment if the Commonwealth Government and the clubs sector here in the ACT are able to reach agreement on the terms of a trial,” Chief Minister Katy Gallagher said.

Weak as piss.

This will be good for the ACT Labor Party owned Labor clubs who have been instrumental in swelling the coffers of its owner to over $40 million. I thought it was the late Kerry Packer who said “you can never have enough money”

What do you prefer, it be forced on us?

And here I was thinking we were meant to have self government, why are we going to be used as the guinea pig for these ridiculous restrictions?

shirty_bear 10:36 am 23 Jan 12

housebound said :

As for why the clubs need compensating for something they say will have no effect, well, that’s anybody’s guess.

Because it will cost a bomb to install this system that can’t work.

Capping bets to $1 would be much more effective and much cheaper to implement. A week ago it sounded like they were leaning this way, but they’ve swung away again.

My tin-foil hat theory is that the mandatory pre-commitment scheme is less about limiting damage and more about tracking/identifying seriously heavy punters. To make any sense at all, it *has* to be identity-based. Check these names for black money/welfare cheating/etc.

bitzermaloney 10:33 am 23 Jan 12

housebound said :

The latest news is that the ACT Clubs will get paid $36 million for their efforts: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-01-22/pokies-fallout-deepens-as-trial-cost-revealed/3786972?section=act

Someone, anyone, please convince me this isn’t an indirect grant from the Federal Labor Government to ACT Labor in an ACT election year.

As for why the clubs need compensating for something they say will have no effect, well, that’s anybody’s guess.

+1

The Labor club group have approx 10% share of the pokies. The Tradies have approx. another 10%, which indirectly means that the Fed’s are proping up ACT Labor with a $7m bonus… (assuming the CFMEU aren’t going hand out a significant proportion to the Raiders).

chewy14 10:29 am 23 Jan 12

Holden Caulfield said :

“The ACT Government will actively participate in a trial of mandatory pre-commitment if the Commonwealth Government and the clubs sector here in the ACT are able to reach agreement on the terms of a trial,” Chief Minister Katy Gallagher said.

Weak as piss.

What do you prefer, it be forced on us?

And here I was thinking we were meant to have self government, why are we going to be used as the guinea pig for these ridiculous restrictions?

Waiting For Godot 10:23 am 23 Jan 12

Isn’t it remarkable how the Gillard government has to pay out so much compensation to the victims of their policies. First The Greens’ carbon tax, now Wilkie’s pokies trial. What sort of “reform” is it if you have to keep paying compensation?

No wonder this country is broke.

housebound 9:41 am 23 Jan 12

The latest news is that the ACT Clubs will get paid $36 million for their efforts: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-01-22/pokies-fallout-deepens-as-trial-cost-revealed/3786972?section=act

Someone, anyone, please convince me this isn’t an indirect grant from the Federal Labor Government to ACT Labor in an ACT election year.

As for why the clubs need compensating for something they say will have no effect, well, that’s anybody’s guess.

Holden Caulfield 9:11 am 23 Jan 12

“The ACT Government will actively participate in a trial of mandatory pre-commitment if the Commonwealth Government and the clubs sector here in the ACT are able to reach agreement on the terms of a trial,” Chief Minister Katy Gallagher said.

Weak as piss.

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