Police Wrap - 16 April

peterh said :

what happens when these little buggers are in the real world as young adults and cannot afford the cocktail of pills to keep them “sane”? I wonder how many are on these drugs and really didn’t need to be. Time will tell, i guess.

not even mentioning the long term effects of being on such drugs.

what happens when these little buggers are in the real world as young adults and cannot afford the cocktail of pills to keep them “sane”? I wonder how many are on these drugs and really didn’t need to be. Time will tell, i guess.

peterh said :

all the behavioral problems that have manifested today in kids didn’t exist when i was in school – primary, or till year 10 in high school.

They all existed, some just didn’t have a name or a little white pill to dope the kid out of what ever behaviour they were exhibiting.

In a former life I ran alternative education programs for kids removed from the school environment. The vast majority of these kids were diagnosed as having ADHD or ADHD – Asperger’s and took a cocktail of pills at morning, noon and night to alter moods and behaviours. Most just acted like kids act when they have a high sugar diet, which when you consider that some drank at least 2 litres of coke a day, isn’t surprising. IMHO, most simply suffered from LODD (lack of discipline disorder) or in a couple of cases, ELSD (evil little sod disorder).

dvaey said :

peterh said :

all the behavioral problems that have manifested today in kids didn’t exist when i was in school – primary, or till year 10 in high school. Then the cuts were removed. I received the cuts maybe 20 times in my school life, but i didn’t skip or wag school, and the cuts i received usually were followed up by a clip over the ear by my dad.

My mate has 4 kids who run riot (makes this place just look like a little mellee). Many years ago, these children learnt the effect of telling the school counsellor when they got a smack at home, and the trouble mum and dad get into. Because of this, these kids rarely do as theyre told, as they know nothing will happen. On occasion, if he says ‘do you want a smack?’ the kids fire back with ‘Ill tell welfare’.

While you might think its a hollow promise, my mate has been arrested twice for domestic violence for smacking his children, both times at about 1am after they’d been told for over 5 hours to go to bed on a school night.

If kids KNOW they can get away with anything, and have no repurcussions, whats going to happen when they hit the real world, and suddenly find out that when you get thrown in a jail cell, there aint no ‘welfare’ you can go complain to. One of my mates even got dobbed in for ‘abuse’ because he only gave his 3 kids $35 each to goto the show when it was on. Welfare came over and investigated both him, and his family. No allegation has ever been proven, but because of the political correctness these days, every claim has to be investigated, even if the last 100 have been proven false.

Sounds like a lot of bullocks to me.
Someone would not be arrested in the middle of the night for simly “smacking” their kids.
The Canberra show scenario seems even less likely.
I think you’ve been had mate.

“The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.”

Attributed to Socrates, but it may be a fake.

peterh said :

all the behavioral problems that have manifested today in kids didn’t exist when i was in school – primary, or till year 10 in high school. Then the cuts were removed. I received the cuts maybe 20 times in my school life, but i didn’t skip or wag school, and the cuts i received usually were followed up by a clip over the ear by my dad.

My mate has 4 kids who run riot (makes this place just look like a little mellee). Many years ago, these children learnt the effect of telling the school counsellor when they got a smack at home, and the trouble mum and dad get into. Because of this, these kids rarely do as theyre told, as they know nothing will happen. On occasion, if he says ‘do you want a smack?’ the kids fire back with ‘Ill tell welfare’.

While you might think its a hollow promise, my mate has been arrested twice for domestic violence for smacking his children, both times at about 1am after they’d been told for over 5 hours to go to bed on a school night.

If kids KNOW they can get away with anything, and have no repurcussions, whats going to happen when they hit the real world, and suddenly find out that when you get thrown in a jail cell, there aint no ‘welfare’ you can go complain to. One of my mates even got dobbed in for ‘abuse’ because he only gave his 3 kids $35 each to goto the show when it was on. Welfare came over and investigated both him, and his family. No allegation has ever been proven, but because of the political correctness these days, every claim has to be investigated, even if the last 100 have been proven false.

I once read an account while I was at uni studying teaching written by a Roman bemoaning the youth of today as slovenly, lazy, irresponsible, unable to take orders, disrespectful, etc.

Today being about 100BC.

I wish I still had the article.

I’m sure they were complaining back then, and I’m sure they felt that their society would be better if certain standards were upheld. I’ve no problem with that.

I cannot speak for Aus, but I know that every one of my mates back in the UK, from my college days, who went into teaching has now left. Some bloody good teachers amongst them. The main reason they give without fail for their leaving is “fed up with being abused, fed up with not having any recourse to stop the abuse, fed up of the perpetrators (of bullying, vandalism, bunking off etc) being treated better than victims, the school property, the teachers”.

peterh said :

grunge_hippy said :

i can tell you what their problem with school is. they have to follow rules and actually be functioning members of the school community, and obviously that is not the way it is at home, so they either act out and spend most of the time out of class anyway, or do what they seem to do more often, and not bother going. I can guarantee that their teachers are probably glad they do that than turn up and ruin it for everyone else.

sad but true. there are some kids you just cant help, no matter how hard the school tries, because they get zero support from home.

all the behavioral problems that have manifested today in kids didn’t exist when i was in school – primary, or till year 10 in high school. Then the cuts were removed. I received the cuts maybe 20 times in my school life, but i didn’t skip or wag school, and the cuts i received usually were followed up by a clip over the ear by my dad.

and i didn’t turn out too bad. (tries to control twitching eye) Nowadays, the punishment is suspension. big deal. detention – doesn’t seem to work, apart from forcing some poor teacher in a room with the worst of the worst… and as for truancy fines, maybe a special section of act policing needs to be set up, with truancy officers, and a bit of time in a cell for the truants. “keep this up kid, and this is where you will end up” type of thing… oh, and not the flashy new gaol or remand centre, a cell at a station.

cuts.. do you mean from getting the cane or something?
I would have liked to see a teacher try to give me the cane in high school. They would have got away with it in primary school, they would have had that cane taken from their hands in high school

peterh said :

all the behavioral problems that have manifested today in kids didn’t exist when i was in school – primary, or till year 10 in high school.

Yeah right.

You mean you as a student didn’t recognise behavioural problems perhaps?

I can guarantee you that when you were in school there were wittering grey beards bemoaning the youth of today and calling for the return of whatever it was they had in their day.

The question is why you’re unable to see beyond the cycle?

Have a read of Tom Sawyer to see that truancy is hardly a new phenomenon, despite widespread sadism in school corrections at that time, although I’m sure there are older examples.

grunge_hippy said :

i can tell you what their problem with school is. they have to follow rules and actually be functioning members of the school community, and obviously that is not the way it is at home, so they either act out and spend most of the time out of class anyway, or do what they seem to do more often, and not bother going. I can guarantee that their teachers are probably glad they do that than turn up and ruin it for everyone else.

sad but true. there are some kids you just cant help, no matter how hard the school tries, because they get zero support from home.

all the behavioral problems that have manifested today in kids didn’t exist when i was in school – primary, or till year 10 in high school. Then the cuts were removed. I received the cuts maybe 20 times in my school life, but i didn’t skip or wag school, and the cuts i received usually were followed up by a clip over the ear by my dad.

and i didn’t turn out too bad. (tries to control twitching eye) Nowadays, the punishment is suspension. big deal. detention – doesn’t seem to work, apart from forcing some poor teacher in a room with the worst of the worst… and as for truancy fines, maybe a special section of act policing needs to be set up, with truancy officers, and a bit of time in a cell for the truants. “keep this up kid, and this is where you will end up” type of thing… oh, and not the flashy new gaol or remand centre, a cell at a station.